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California: Anti-Gun/Hunting Bills are both Signed into Law and Vetoed by Governor Brown Today
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Posted on 10/11/2013 10:35:53 PM PDT by Hugin

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To: gleeaikin
I have heard that wild fowl were using lead shot in their gizzards and poisoning themselves, not good if we want to hunt and eat them.<\i>

Like global warming, all theory and no facts. No study ever found any such thing.

21 posted on 10/12/2013 4:24:04 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Hugin

Are there enough gun grabbers in both houses of the legislature to overturn the veto(s)?!


22 posted on 10/12/2013 6:30:22 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: wardaddy

Spooky ain’t it? My thing was playing music and with chirrens in the picture the choice was get a “real job” or indulge myself with the distant hope of “making it” so I had to opt for the “real job”. Later with no kids at home and my wife prodding me I did start playing in a band again and did so for 14 years and had a blast. Then the guys in the band “had a meeting” and decided they wanted to go “in a different direction”. LOL! They just wanted more of the $$$. I would have been glad to do it for nothing but that’s what they decided and it was pointless to argue. But, it did end several, uh, friendships. Still looking around for some “older” guys that want to play classic rock/modern C&W. (P.S. Not all musicians are liberals. LOL!)


23 posted on 10/12/2013 6:44:55 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Hugin

Cali tried to ban handguns back in 1982 with Prop 15. It failed 2 to 1.

Since that time, the state had never allowed the voting public to vote on an anti-gun ordinance. Just can’t trust the WILL OF THE PEOPLE!


24 posted on 10/12/2013 7:26:37 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Hugin
Lead bullets banned "for hunting"....okaaaay.
'Nope, I wasn't hunting. I was shooting at 'him' and that dam Deer ran in front of my rifle.'
Problem solved
25 posted on 10/12/2013 7:47:39 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: RC one

“I’d give California back to Mexico but then all those dirty liberals would spread out into the rest of the country.”

Here’s a clue, they already have. But be honest, we got them from the Northeastern States, so the problem we face actually originated there.


26 posted on 10/12/2013 8:10:27 AM PDT by vette6387 (i)
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To: Hugin
AB 48, which Brown signed, is particularly troubling:

(b) Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, commencing July 1, 2014, any person in this state who possesses any large-capacity magazine, regardless of the date the magazine was acquired, is guilty of an infraction punishable by a fine not to exceed one hundred dollars ($100), or is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not to exceed one hundred dollars ($100), by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.

Thousands of pistols, both in private hands and used by law enforcement, have high capacity magazines.

27 posted on 10/12/2013 10:05:05 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Hugin

What happened to SB63 that would ban internet ammo sales?


28 posted on 10/12/2013 10:46:18 AM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: Amerigomag

Yeah, that sucks. Looks like it’s arbitrary as to whether it’s an infraction or a misdemeanor. I suspect if they decide it’s the latter that would be considered a gun related crime that would make it illegal to own guns. Do you know it that’s true?


29 posted on 10/12/2013 10:46:45 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: willywill

They’ve been yammering for years about how wildlife eat the lead, especially shotgun pellets, and that it’s toxic. I’m not familiar with the research (if any) on this, but I suspect it’s a purely agenda-driven claim, because metallic lead isn’t really all that soluble, and it has to dissolve in the GI tract to do any damage; otherwise you just crap it out and go on about your business.


30 posted on 10/12/2013 11:00:14 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Hugin

The lead ammo ban was the worst.


31 posted on 10/12/2013 12:41:26 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: Carry_Okie

“The lead ammo ban was the worst”

Not sure why you would think so. It only affects hunting, and there are good non-lead bullets available, whereas SB 374 would have banned sale and transfer of virtually all semi-autos, and required all current owners to register them, and pay a tax. The NSSF spent a ton of money fighting the lead hunting bullet ban, but that’s because it effects their bottom line the most, as they represent gun and ammo manufacturers, not gun owners.

IMHO SB374 was the worst, then the high capacity magazine ban. But hey, they’re all crap.


32 posted on 10/13/2013 8:24:34 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin
Do you know it that’s true?

Don't but probably at the discretion of the Cal AG or local DA.

I was also wrong about the LEO inclusion. They are excluded which is further troubling.

Law enforcement is essentially a private security force for government subdivisions. Unlike the military, their command and control system relies on the judgement of one individual in many circumstances. I don’t believe that civilian security should have any technical advantage over the general citizenry. That means "high capacity magazines", Class III weapons, etc.

33 posted on 10/13/2013 8:51:08 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Hugin
It only affects hunting...

It affects reloaders when TSHTF.

There are two kinds of hunting: for game and for varmints. This affects rural property owners on a daily basis. It's just one more cost to being a landowner.

...and there are good non-lead bullets available, whereas SB 374 would have banned sale and transfer of virtually all semi-autos, and required all current owners to register them, and pay a tax.

It will be much easier for them to cut off the supply in a crisis with them tracking every ammo sale. They'll also have an excuse to "inspect" your stock if they have "reasonable suspicion" you might be using lead.

34 posted on 10/13/2013 10:20:59 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: Amerigomag

I was looking over an NRA FAQ about the recent CA gun control bills. It seems the part of AB 48 banning grandfathered magazines was never passed in the Senate.

http://www.calgunlaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2013-California-Firearms-Related-Legislationnn-End-of-Session-Report.pdf

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Q: May I continue to possess my currently-possessed, grandfathered large-capacity magazines?

A: Yes. Nothing in the language of AB 48 is intended to prohibit the possession of grandfathered
magazines. AB did include a provision that would have prohibited the possession of large-capacity
magazines, and would have required existing “grandfathered” magazines to be surrendered, removed from
the state, or destroyed. This provision did not become law, however, because SB 396 was defeated. This
provision was included in AB 48 as well as SB 396 in case both bills had passed, so that the changes each
bill would have made to the Penal Code would not be in conflict with one another. This is a common
process in the legislature. Since SB 396 did not pass, existing grandfathered magazines remain lawful to
possess.


35 posted on 10/20/2013 3:18:05 PM PDT by Hugin
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