Skip to comments.Krauthammer: Obama 'bait and switch' on GOP debt ceiling compromise
Posted on 10/11/2013 6:25:50 AM PDT by Innovative
So, the President offered an off ramp, in which he said I will accept any length of extension...
So, Boehner has his offer, he goes in to see the president, you would expect that he would then have a six-week extension and discuss all of these issues. What seems to have happened is there are now demands from the president...
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Throw the Bums Out.
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Obama doesn’t want a solution, and he will make sure he doesn’t get one. That’s how he plans to win and seize emergency power.
Obama and his administration lies.
That is an easy way to say a tough thing.
A small word that tells much about the person’s character.
Public pressure forced the president to sign the “Honoring the Families of Fallen Soldiers Act” yesterday and I am certain he is mad and resentful about that. If his history is any guide he will become even more difficult to deal with in the upcoming days. He ususally is after having had his @$$ handed to him.
This is like living under a king...edicts and all.
Unfortunately yours is an excellent summary and it’s right on the money.
I think Republicans and most people in general can’t fathom that anyone can be pure evil.
“He is evil and you are morons.”
Vituperation... great word, thanks.
Over and over and over .... Fast&Furious, Benghazi, IRS, NSA ... and especially 0bamacare:
In the 2008 campaign and the years thereafter, Barack Obama said something over and over: Under the health law of his and Democrats dreams, premiums for average families would fall by $2,500. He said this until he was blue in the face that health insurance would be more affordable, and he put a specific number on it.
He also said, over and over and over and over that, if you liked your plan, you would not have to give it up. Nothing would change for you. No, we were just going to help some folks who were down on their luck and did not have access to health insurance. But rest assured: If you liked your plan, nothing would change for you.
Now, both of those things turn out to be untrue: Health premiums are not going down, by $2,500 or any other number; theyre going up. And its not true that you wont be forced off your plan: Some are.
Okay, the rant (cooler version): If you were President Obama, dont you think youd feel the need to address these things?
if you were a reporter in the White House press corps, youd ask the president about them. Youd say, Mr. President, you said over and over that health-insurance premiums would fall by $2,500.
Silly Boehner and GOP, community organizers need a crisis to advance their agenda...haven’t you learner that after almost 5 years of Obama?
My reasons for liking the 6 week extension idea: It allows a separation of the Government Shutdown/Obamacare issue from the Debt Limit Issue.
Why is that important?
Combining the two will both confuse the public and make it all too easy for the GOP to negotiate a debt ceiling reduction and a clean Continuing Resolution without getting anything but some nominal spending reductions out of the deal. Obamacare goals would be the first thing that gets dropped during the negotiations. A bad deal for us.
Krauthammer attends the Obama dinners. Not a word out of his mouth should be believed or adhered to.
This is actually the same technique used by Hitler against Chamberlain. Chamberlain offered Hitler something, and Hitler would take it; but instead of offering something in return, Hitler would demand more from Chamberlain, who was such a weak-willed individual that he would agree to it, with hopes that Hitler would offer something in return. Hitler never did.
The trouble with this technique is that eventually it backs (the) Chamberlain side into a corner, so he has to create an ultimatum, a “red line”. Since he has proven so weak before, (the) Hitler side, defies the ultimatum, thinking he can get away with it. Which at least at first, he can.
So now the conservatives must persuade the Republican leadership that negotiations with Obama are fruitless, because Obama does not haggle, only demand. And if the Republican leadership are firm, Obama will endlessly complain and whine about it.
This time, even with the help of the MSM, complaining and whining won’t work either, because it makes him look not only mean, but petulant and bratty, as Krauthammer pointed out.
Don’t negotiate with Obama. He is not so popular that you cannot wait for a crack in the Dems. Make them break with him. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Actually, you malign Chamberlain. England, it’s peacetime army, its obsolete air force, and its people were not yet ready for war, and his only ally, France, was useless, as was proved later. Chamberlain was playing for time to get ready for the war that was expected eventually.
That is not paying one’s debts — it is only paying the interest on the debt, something quite different.
I agree. So ...what should we do now politically?
WE will default because Lew was already told not to prioritize the payments.
Chris Parker from Parker Wealth Management helped explain this in laymens terms this morning on WTAM 1100. He claims this is a real test in the control of the optics of what is going on in DC.
We take in 225 billion a month. We only need about 20 billion to service the debt. So that leaves 205 billion to fund the governments activities and programs.
With no increase in the debt ceiling then the government is forced to live within its means. Basically this becomes a forced austerity, forget sequestration, it is a forced austerity and Congress...more precisely the House of Representatives (Republicans) will have to decide what programs remain funded or how fully funded they need to be.
Military, Welfare, Obamacare, SS, EPA, NSA, DOJ etc.
According to Chris Parker, this will literally mean the government must prioritize payments. This could be devastating politically to the democrats and republicans depending on who controls the spin.
Republicans tend to be financial wonks and not very good at explaining to those affected this kind of stuff as where the democrats are sooooo very good at the whine.
But, long-term this cant go on and we need tighten the belt. 0bamacare with its subsidies is not self-sustaining. Think of 0bamacare as the knife in the very heart ...
I wouldn’t give Chamberlain that credit, because in the negotiations he was weak and ineffectual, but on his return home bragged of how effective he had been in containing Hitler.
Nobody believed him then, and we should question apologists for him now.
Keep saying it, and let the chips fall where they may.
I like the idea because is gives the public 6 more weeks to see what a turd Obamacare is and increase our chances of flushing this sewer bass.
IF anyone stops & thinks for a few minutes, they will realize that Obama has been a ‘bait & switch’ entity from the moment he was born.
He just refined it when he got older.
I still have a list of items he campaigned on for the 2008 election, and all of those ‘positions’ have been breached.
Calling it bait & switch is too kind.
he is a born LIAR.
another, which happens 100% of the time, is to make an agreement. The Republicans fulfill their part of the agreement whereas the Democrats renege.
The classic example is Bush #41 who finally made an agreement to raise taxes after the Democrats agreed to reduce spending by a certain multiplier amount (I don't recall he figure). Bush lived up to his part - as usual, the Democrats refused. That was the read my lips, "no new taxes" Bush. It cost him the election.
You cannot trust a Democrat, not matter how good a drinking buddy he/she is.
its going to get rough..
boehner is now backed into a corner and he can do nothing.. he simply can’t completely cave, he will have to call zero’s bluff... he can offer nothing more, and he knows it..
sigh.... he was played by such a weak president..amazing.
I do see zero raising it all by himself.. after all he will have the full MSM approval on that...
Obama is counting on his supporters to say:
Boehner wanted the president to talk to him , so he did.
Now, lets get on with the surrender.
Obama negotiates from the position of “ what’s mine is mine, and what’s yours should be mine” . So hurry up and give it to me.
He also holds the meetings, says “no”, then calls Harry Reid and asks “Was that okay? Do I need to call Bohner and tell him I’ve changed my mind?”
And Reid says “No, son. You did good. Now go out to the putt-putt course.
Kraut lives in a dream world where Boehnor and McConnell have integrity and a spine to go with it.
Boehner & McConnell want most of all to punt these issues until after the midterms. They want to avoid conflict with Obama at all costs and by keeping quiet hope that people don’t notice their perfidy. They are careerists who simply want to enjoy the beltway good life and rake in the lobbyist cash.
Gomert on Becks show now, saying that Boehner is now in a meeting with Obama, and is giving up on 98-99% of Obamacare, so they [RINOs] can say that they got something from Obama.
That 1% we get is probably the medical device tax repeal that will be a gift to blue state Dems. If true, we have been had.
By all accounts, that trucker movement was a total bust.
I think the Speaker should summon the President to the Capitol for the next round of talks
“They are careerists who simply want to enjoy the beltway good life and rake in the lobbyist cash.”
Yes they are.
I have made the point elsewhere on the site that the strategy the Democrats have used and gotten away with over the last seven years of failing to approve or put forward a budget for the budget process has put them in the postition where some sort of CR is required each period regardless.
Our stop-gap has been attachments to the CRs and not an earlier insistance upon following the modern era Congressional Budget process. Once they got past two years of this game, we should have shut down the whole house as soon as we were able and enforced the Budget process.
Instead we find ourselves in a game of brinkmanship to attach one or two little bandaids to a CR — we have failed to fight when we should have and are now just flailing about as we watch the country go down the drain. Do we really think that daring Obama to captain the wreck of the federal ship is something he is not wishing for an excuse to execute? That is the whole purpose of their scheme. This is their Briar Patch moment — they want us to hold the line.
Cloward-Piven is not that difficult a read.
Someone posted yesterday (I think)...
Negotiating 101: Trade promises for promises, and actions for actions. When you trade an action for a promise, you get screwed every time.
You know Obastard lies all the time. I know he lies all the time. Boehner et al know it too, but they have to go through the motions of demonstrating it because the people who vote and elect Democrats are the morons.
If the GOPe leadership treated Obastard the way he should be treated, the Dems would have a permanent majority in both houses of the Legislature, and would forever hold the Presidency. It sucks, but until we get a smarter electorate, it’s the way things have to be done. Despite what Boehner says, it *is* a damned game.
Obama did the same thing on the last debt debate two years ago. A big deal had been worked out, and then Obama said, “I need another $400 billion in taxes.” Or was it $800? Anyway, it blew the deal and was why Boehner said it was impossible to negotiate with Obama.
If they were following the Constitution, we wouldn’t BE in this ‘problem’. Those ‘mandatory spending’ programs would be null and void and the funny money/Fed would have never come to being (fiat/fractional lending being the open door to $17T+)
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Hannity and Newt Gingrich were talking on live radio a couple of hours ago, and they were agreeing that Harry Reid is even more extremely radical than Barky .... and that their real objective, never mind all the moving goal posts, is the total destruction and surrender of the GOP.
That would make us, literally, a People's Republic, with Bolsheviks and Mensheviks (and guys in a basement room with big rubber aprons and a pistol waiting to help you love Big Brother).
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