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Priest: Obama Admin. Denied Mass to Catholics (church doors locked)
http://blogs.cbn.com ^ | October 8, 2013 | David Brody

Posted on 10/09/2013 6:24:04 AM PDT by Whenifhow

How about trying this one on for size? Here is the press release headline from Congressman Tim Huelskamp’s office this afternoon:

Obama Administration Denies Mass to Catholics

Apparently, a priest was denied access to a military chapel this weekend. Father Ray Leonard serves at Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay in Georgia but because of the government shutdown, he wasn’t allowed to go to celebrate Mass this past weekend.

He is contracted by the Defense Department to meet the spiritual needs of Catholics, but not now. The chapel doors were locked and the sign said, “Shutdown: No Catholic service till further notice.”

Father Leonard said the following:

“This is our church, Catholics have an expectation and obligation to attend Mass and we were told, ‘No you can’t go to church this week…“ My parishioners were upset. They were angry and dismayed. They couldn’t believe that in America they’d be denied access to Mass by the government.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholictroops; firstamendment; religion; shutdown; tyranny
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Rep. Tim Huelskamp had this reaction:

“Time and time again this Administration demonstrates it is waging a war against the very religious freedoms upon which America was founded. This is exactly why we worked to pass legislation (House Concurrent Resolution 58) this past weekend – to protect the religious liberties of all those who bravely serve in our Armed Forces.”

1 posted on 10/09/2013 6:24:04 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Partly payback for calling for Pelosi to be denied communion?


2 posted on 10/09/2013 6:25:48 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Whenifhow

The priest doesn’t need a church to say Mass and should have set up and said Mass in the parking lot. I’m waiting to hear whether any of the Catholic clergy really pushed back on this. I want someone arrested.


3 posted on 10/09/2013 6:26:10 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Whenifhow

Did they take away all muslim prayer rugs too? or is that still allowed?

Is there mosques in the military?


4 posted on 10/09/2013 6:28:22 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Mercat

But muzzies having “services” in their “houses of worship” is oky doky, right?


5 posted on 10/09/2013 6:29:12 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (LIV's are products of an incomplete education.)
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To: Whenifhow

Wait a minute... I thought they said we have SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

Since WHEN does the government OWN religion and can lock the doors of a church???

If this doesn’t DEFINE Tyranny and the phrase “Anti-American”, I don’t know what does.


6 posted on 10/09/2013 6:30:20 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: Whenifhow

What did they expect from the Anti-Christ?


7 posted on 10/09/2013 6:30:32 AM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: Mercat
The priest doesn’t need a church to say Mass and should have set up and said Mass in the parking lot.
Amen. Thirteen months in 'Nam and the two times I went to Mass was out in the boondocks.
8 posted on 10/09/2013 6:35:02 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Whenifhow

Wanna bet he voted for 0bama like so many Catholics who think that the government should take money from the productive and give it to the indolent.


9 posted on 10/09/2013 6:35:44 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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10 posted on 10/09/2013 6:36:40 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Mercat

Push back yes. But the priest can say mass only in consecrated space.

Communion he can give out but if its locked inside the building there’s not much he can do short of breaking in.


11 posted on 10/09/2013 6:39:51 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Whenifhow

Further proof, if you need it, that Obama is NOT a Christian.


12 posted on 10/09/2013 6:40:12 AM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: Mercat

Actually he needed access to the Tabernacle to expose the Eucharist.


13 posted on 10/09/2013 6:40:30 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Whenifhow

All these shutdowns effect masses of “whitey”. When will someone notice.


14 posted on 10/09/2013 6:42:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Whenifhow

When Catholic priests stop saying Mass because the government said so, not only is it a problem for the government but also for this Catholic priest who simply wimped out. Hold Mass ANYWHERE just like it used to happen in Communist or Nazi countries.


15 posted on 10/09/2013 6:42:53 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Mercat

Exactly!!!


16 posted on 10/09/2013 6:43:18 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Whenifhow

“Chicken Shit, President.” That explains each and every one of these instances....Don’t tell me this guy was oblivious to what was going on at the IRS, NSA, Benghazi etc.


17 posted on 10/09/2013 6:43:42 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: stanne

And then he should have broke in.


18 posted on 10/09/2013 6:43:56 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: stanne

The military priests I knew had field cases with hosts in them and everything else they needed to say Mass


19 posted on 10/09/2013 6:48:46 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: stanne

wrong about the consecrated space


20 posted on 10/09/2013 6:49:30 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

bingo


21 posted on 10/09/2013 6:54:16 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Patriot Babe

Executive order : 666 shut down all churches nation wide.


22 posted on 10/09/2013 6:55:22 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Sacajaweau

Government shut down on whitey, Trayvon’s revenge.


23 posted on 10/09/2013 6:56:25 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: stanne

I have attended mass in friends’ house. Were the houses consecrated.


24 posted on 10/09/2013 6:56:35 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: yldstrk

You probably have a case. I know there’s no saying mass at home, nor on the beach nor on a random mountain

Special dispensation with consecratio perhaps. I am no expert.
I’m sure this priest was nnot equipped for a special case


25 posted on 10/09/2013 6:56:46 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
But the priest can say mass only in consecrated space.
We've had Mass held a couple of times in our home. And there are sports teams whose chaplains have held Mass at airports as the players awaited their flights.
26 posted on 10/09/2013 6:56:56 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

We can say mass anywhere. It’s being allowed and recognized is a different case


27 posted on 10/09/2013 6:58:18 AM PDT by stanne
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To: nikos1121

Far be it, he was the nucleolus of those evil nefarious plans.


28 posted on 10/09/2013 6:58:57 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: stanne

We had Masses said in my home when I was little


29 posted on 10/09/2013 6:59:31 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: stanne

I’m sure it is allowed. My brother-in-law is an orthodox Roman Catholic priest, and he wouldn’t have said Mass at our home if it wasn’t allowed.


30 posted on 10/09/2013 6:59:49 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Whenifhow
“This is our church, Catholics have an expectation and obligation to attend Mass and we were told, ‘No you can’t go to church this week…“ My parishioners were upset. They were angry and dismayed. They couldn’t believe that in America they’d be denied access to Mass by the government.”

Is the (locked by the govt) military chapel owned by the diocese, or by the government?

31 posted on 10/09/2013 7:00:21 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Mercat

Same would go for an evangelical worship service. It could be done “al fresco” as long as weather reasonably cooperated. But this is an important reminder view into the administration mindset, IMHO. If anyone wanted to remember what they are hostile to... now you know. They react like a vampire from a... crucifix.

I suppose they could say they have the lights and utilities off to conserve cash, but I wonder if they actually do. It just screams “infantile stunt” to me.


32 posted on 10/09/2013 7:00:30 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Whenifhow

And all those Democrat Catholics who voted for Obama are having their nightmare of sticker shock and buyer’s remorse just about now.


33 posted on 10/09/2013 7:00:31 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: stanne

are you a priest?


34 posted on 10/09/2013 7:00:35 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Whenifhow
“ My parishioners were upset. They were angry and dismayed. They couldn’t believe that in America they’d be denied access to Mass by the government.”

.. so they marched en-masse with pitch forks and torches to the commanders' quarters and dragged him out by his nightshirt, beating him with clubs and slathering him with hot tar they had prepared aforehand. Someone had breeched the quartermasters supply room and produced a dozen feather pillows which were quickly ripped open and the ensueing mess applied to the wheezing commander.

What?

No?

WHY NOT ???!!!

35 posted on 10/09/2013 7:03:08 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Solson
" When Catholic priests stop saying Mass because the government said so " , then you know they are part of the system or part of the matrix.

How many Christians in Nazi Germany saw what was going on and could have stopped it but stood by and watched it go on unabated ? .... they were afraid to lose their jobs, homes, or what have you to go along with the flow.
36 posted on 10/09/2013 7:03:28 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: mlizzy

As an evangelical I don’t know the detailed drill, but I’d guess they would want some sort of blocked off area for the duration of the ceremony, dedicating its use for that time (you don’t have cars driving through, people walking through etc., distracting from the intended worship). The same would be desired for an evangelical worship service for obvious reasons.


37 posted on 10/09/2013 7:04:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Well that’s how God sometimes has to warn believers who think there is “safety in numbers” when those numbers are worldly. The world is going to have to reconcile with God or get judged for its shortfall (actually its shortfall punishes itself — shying away from God’s blessings gets... SURPRISE... curses).


38 posted on 10/09/2013 7:08:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Whenifhow
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39 posted on 10/09/2013 7:10:48 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: yldstrk
All you need is a Field Kit, Containing Crucifix, candles, small chalice, etc .... Note in the picture , the use of a standard GI issue blanket to cover the hood of the Jeep.Everything fits into a box the size of a shoebox. As far as as wafers for the Host, Normal bread can be used in a pinch.
40 posted on 10/09/2013 7:16:28 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

how about bullets whistling by

See Civil War

or Viet Nam

or WWI or WWII

or people being gassed

or Auschwitz

or catacombs

Mass goes on

devil will be ridiculed


41 posted on 10/09/2013 7:17:11 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Robe

beautiful

Have been to many a Mass in a field tent


42 posted on 10/09/2013 7:18:21 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mlizzy

Canon Law gives the proper guidelines.


43 posted on 10/09/2013 7:19:21 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Robe; yldstrk

That is all you need.

Plus the good reason of necessity, such as religious persecution and a reason for not being able to get to a church.

Don’t ask Me. It’s in Canon law


44 posted on 10/09/2013 7:21:52 AM PDT by stanne
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To: yldstrk

Have been to Mass in several embassies in enemy (Moslem) countries.


45 posted on 10/09/2013 7:26:26 AM PDT by Ax
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To: stanne

This is a religion with a history of gathering in caves when under prosecution. If the Good Lord is deciding to turn bread into His Flesh I’m going to guess He’s not limited to special locations.


46 posted on 10/09/2013 7:37:00 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Sacajaweau; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; sweetiepiezer; txnuke; La Lydia; aragorn; ...
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All these shutdowns effect masses of “whitey”. When will someone notice

.

47 posted on 10/09/2013 7:37:21 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Robe; All

“Generally, dereliction of duty refers to failure through negligence or obstinacy to perform one’s legal or moral duty to a reasonable expectation. In other words, it means willful or negligent failure to perform assigned duties or performing them in a culpably inefficient manner. Dereliction of duty is a specific offense in military law. “ (Quote from USLegal.com).

Dereliction of duty is an Impeachable Offense, as stipulated in the US Constitution. Dereliction of duty is also a US Military offense subject to a Courts Martial.

Will our sorry Congressional RINOs do their usual kid gloves, “boys will be boys” approach to Obama’s numerous violations of the US Constitution, or will they FINALLY draw up The Articles of Impeachment for B. Hussein Obama?


48 posted on 10/09/2013 7:52:31 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Again, this 2000 year old religion has Canon Law

People try to compete and do gotchya games with their opinions of how it should be run

Among the reasons it has lasted as long as it has is because it allows the theologians to adjust its Canon

But thre are laws

And I was defending the priest. He was in an unusual situation. And he wants attention paid to the religious persecution aspect.


49 posted on 10/09/2013 7:52:50 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Whenifhow

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...”

Obama has VIOLATED the “free exercise” clause!!

Impeach the bastard!


50 posted on 10/09/2013 7:57:09 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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