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To: Alas Babylon!
Question; when the government plans for a shutdown, who decides if an employee is essential or non-essential? Since the House has already voted 407-0 to pay the non-working government employees, I would think that if I were a government employee, I would request to classified as non-essential, so that I could get some paid time off that does not come out of my PTO bank.

Funding the non-working government payrollers is the worst decision Republicans can make. And we wonder why we are 17 Trillion (with a T) in debt? Really?

13 posted on 10/06/2013 5:26:18 AM PDT by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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To: Bernard
Bernard, I cannot answer that question.

All I know is that I'm not paid to loaf around at home. Must be nice.

It used to be that government employees were paid less than the private sector, but could expect better job stability, as private sector jobs are based on the whims of the marketplace and whether that company can sustain a profit. Government on the other hand, had less of our money, but would never close if the failed to make a profit, as they weren't setup to make a profit in the first place.

Now, government over taxes, way over spends, offers employees much better wages and benefits than the private sector, and all these government employees are politically vested in the party that made this happen (explains why Northern Virginia is turning a once solid Southern state of Virginia into another Maryland).

Since almost all government employees are bureaucrats and many are unionized, they have a thousand ways to put “pressure” on the rest of us to sustain their quite comfortable situations. In other words, we now work for them in the form of our tax dollars that pay their benefits and salaries, and any efforts to join TEA parties, fight back, etc., are met with bureaucratic government measures, like spending money they don't have to barricade open air public monuments...

Given all this, I would like to see this shutdown go on for a year or more. And when finally over, a Constitutional amendment written to prohibit government employees from unionizing, and set their wages to a level perpetually tied to 5% less than the marketplace equivalent job.

24 posted on 10/06/2013 6:10:51 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Bernard

Question; when the government plans for a shutdown, who decides if an employee is essential or non-essential? Since the House has already voted 407-0 to pay the non-working government employees, I would think that if I were a government employee, I would request to classified as non-essential, so that I could get some paid time off that does not come out of my PTO bank.
Funding the non-working government payrollers is the worst decision Republicans can make. And we wonder why we are 17 Trillion (with a T) in debt? Really?


It’s really only the discretionary budget that’s suppose to be in play here, based on my understanding of this. The “budget” is a minor percentage of the “spending,” most of which is mandatory.

If the government were to “shut down” in a literal sense, they would have to stop taking our withholding and all the rest of it—so there’s no real “shutdown.”

The monuments that are being “closed” are sort of a good reference point on how muddled this all is. Those monuments are no longer subject to the budget except where upkeep and maintenance might be needed. Places like the WWII and Vietnam memorials are ALREADY paid for.

The Park Police are budgeted independently. They are suppose to be “shut down” as near as I can tell, like most of the people at EPA are. The logic by which Park Police are paid to keep people AWAY from what are statues, if applied to EPA (which “protects” the environment) might be used to keep EPA people on salary to STOP people from swimming in the ocean or camping in the mountains or watching the sun set—since the government could claim province over the “environment” as it does the statues.


34 posted on 10/06/2013 6:20:25 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Bernard

1) They get their back pay upon return to work
2) Return to work is not guaranteed, hopefully, for EPA, OSHA, Dept of Education, etc
3) One step closer to funding all od Government, except for 0bamacare


116 posted on 10/06/2013 8:28:34 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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