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Sisters question fatal shooting in DC police chase
Associated Press ^ | October 5, 2013 | LARRY NEUMEISTER

Posted on 10/05/2013 12:42:55 PM PDT by grundle

EW YORK (AP) — The sisters of a woman who was fatally shot in Washington after trying to ram her car through a White House barrier say she was not a criminal and police should not have shot her.

"We're still very confused as a family why she's not still alive," Amy Carey-Jones said late Friday, speaking of her 34-year-old sister, Miriam Carey. "I really feel like it's not justified, not justified."

Another sister, retired New York City police officer Valarie Carey, said there was "no need for a gun to be used when there was no gunfire coming from the vehicle."

The sisters spoke outside Valarie Carey's home in Brooklyn Friday night after traveling to Washington to identify Miriam Carey's body.

Washington's Metropolitan Police Department said in a statement Friday that its Internal Affairs Division is investigating the circumstances that led to the shooting. The Secret Service, Capitol Police and FBI are assisting, the department said.

Secret Service agents and Capitol Police officers both fired shots during the encounter with Carey. Witnesses said Carey hit a Secret Service agent with her car at the White House. A Capitol Police officer was also injured. Both are expected to recover.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: District of Columbia; US: New York
KEYWORDS: brooklyn; districtofcolumbia; murderindc; newyork; newyorkcity; unionthugs; valariecarey
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I disagree with Obama on almost everything, but this shooting was completely justified. She drove through a White House barrier and hit a person with her car, yet her family says she's "not dangerous"?
1 posted on 10/05/2013 12:42:55 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

It was those racis’ guns that did it.


2 posted on 10/05/2013 12:44:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: grundle

I keep seeing comments that her family said the shooting was justified because she was crazy. So I guess these sisters aren’t her family?


3 posted on 10/05/2013 12:47:52 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: grundle

It seems like the police could have shot out the tires
first, before going lethal.


4 posted on 10/05/2013 12:48:42 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: grundle

I would agree with you but there was not damage to the front of her car.


5 posted on 10/05/2013 12:51:16 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative
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To: grundle

We had a cop killed by “unarmed” bank robbers a couple years ago. They ran him down with a truck and the idiots still said “They were just trying to get away”.


6 posted on 10/05/2013 12:51:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grundle

And suppose she was wired Palestinian style.


7 posted on 10/05/2013 12:57:32 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: grundle

I understand that the family is outraged, I guess.

But how would the police know that this person was a woman and unarmed? In today’s world of car bombs who the heck knows what a person’s intent is.

I am saddened that this lady went coo-coo. And that she couldn’t find a daycare to take care of her child to protect him/her from her craziness. (Where was the family?) But truthfully, if I were charged with protection of the area...the outcome would have been the same.


8 posted on 10/05/2013 1:04:51 PM PDT by berdie
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To: grundle

I also read reports that said the cop injured himself and that she did not try to ram any gates. Considering it was a pretty young black woman with a small child, I will take what the authorities say with a grain of salt on this one.


9 posted on 10/05/2013 1:05:49 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy

A woman got lost and scared and was executed.


10 posted on 10/05/2013 1:06:45 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
She was shot down after she fled the car.

But the Secret Service spokesman was adamant that "the outer perimeter wall, and I stress this, the outer perimeter was NOT breached.

So success in protecting the outer perimeter but likely not in capturing the woman.

At least the terrorist now know to have a baby in the car to at least temporarily dumbfound the cops. Oh, and drive around a roundabout. That seemed to confuse the cops too.

11 posted on 10/05/2013 1:11:23 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: grundle

Righto. That car could easily have been carrying 500 pounds of explosives.


12 posted on 10/05/2013 1:14:48 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Sacajaweau

Well, she would at least be neutered


13 posted on 10/05/2013 1:15:37 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Sherman Logan

Yes, it could have. And yet the closest it got to the White House was over a block away.

ALSO. . . if it was potentially bomb-laden, why was it NOT immobilized and kept off busy Constitution Avenue for **16** blocks.

And finally. . . why does footage show a cop WALKING up to the car, and shooting into the window.

This was an execution. . .


14 posted on 10/05/2013 1:21:17 PM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: PghBaldy

I’m pretty sure I saw a video of her car somewhat up on a pillar of concrete. I think she backed up from it, then was boxed in from behind. I could be wrong but I think there is video.

On the other hand what those 2 sisters are saying is, “those white boys didn’t lay down and take their beatdown/runover like good white boys are suppose to do.


15 posted on 10/05/2013 1:22:15 PM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: Sherman Logan

>> Righto. That car could easily have been carrying 500 pounds of explosives.

But it wasn’t. It was carrying a toddler.


16 posted on 10/05/2013 1:24:59 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Sherman Logan
That car could easily have been carrying 500 pounds of explosives.

So might ANY car driving down the street. Do you want them emptying a magazine at you as you drive down Pennsylvania Ave?

These cops are the worst trained and least disciplined armed force in the USA.

If the Marines or Soldiers in Afghanistan or Iraq had acted this way they'd be brought up on murder charges.

17 posted on 10/05/2013 1:26:50 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: grundle

They had her blocked in at the barriers and if they had just pulled a vehicle in behind her and shot out her tires she was going nowhere.

Is there some reason why they did not do this????


18 posted on 10/05/2013 1:29:13 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: grundle

The only reason she was not shot at the first stop was simply that no cop was ready to shoot a BLACK (and worse yet..) WOMAN even though their own lives were in danger.

They did not want to be Treyvoned along with the charge of female civil rights violations.

How bad can it get? Political Correctness, the death of our nation.


19 posted on 10/05/2013 1:30:34 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Salgak

“This was an execution...”

I agree.


20 posted on 10/05/2013 1:49:51 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: grundle

i agree. i think it’s pretty clear why she is no longer alive.

what IS in question is what the backstory behind her bizarre behavior is.


21 posted on 10/05/2013 1:49:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: grundle

There are varying stories out there.

It seems to me that the most likely is that she drove up to the barrier and was told to turn around and get out of there. She hit it in the awkward process of turning around.

If a cop got hit by a car, how do we know it was her car that did it? Several police seem to have managed to crash their cars without her assistance.

Law enforcement from different branches were all running around like crazy, waving their assault rifles and apparently shooting this woman, who was unarmed.

It sounds to me as if they responded in all the wrong ways to this crisis, and went completely berserk. It’s extremely lucky that they didn’t kill any of the innocent bystanders who were running around and ducking for cover.

If she was threatening to hurt or kill a cop with her car, maybe it would be justified. But I really doubt that’s what happened.


22 posted on 10/05/2013 1:50:19 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: upcountryhorseman

she had already injured armed persons and was using the car as a deadly weapon. not listening to verbals.

i don’t have a problem with the reaction, all specifics in this particular case, considered.


23 posted on 10/05/2013 1:51:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Gene Eric

Oddly enough, we had the issue of the cardboard cutouts of ordinary Americans being supposedly bought by DHS or something this year. Not implying a connection beyond the Feds wanting to be able to shoot kids and pregnant women etc at will (assuming the reports are true).


24 posted on 10/05/2013 1:51:41 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: berdie

great point about the family. if the family knows she’s unstable and is having daycare issues, couldn’t any of them step up for her? i thought black family keeps telling all of us they’re tight and have each others’ backs?


25 posted on 10/05/2013 1:53:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: grundle; All
1. Was she a danger? Yes
2. Was this handled properly? No
3. Could less than deadly force have been used? Yes
4. Why not? Lack of training. Robocop mentality on part of many cops today. Too many different enforcement agencies involved. Car was not going anywhere. If it was suspected of being wired would you walk up to it? Mistaken idea that you need to quickly “resolve” any conflict.
5. The Capital officer injured by deployment of car barricade by SS. This happens often in this type of situation. Your mates are more dangerous than the perp. in some instances. Think friendly fire. I have seen cops go down when one of them decided to shoot into a solid steel door. Not smart.
6. Shooting is the last resort not the first. Watching too many TV cop shows.
I was a state trooper and former agent about 30 years ago.
We prided ourselves on using that least used sense, common sense.
26 posted on 10/05/2013 1:54:29 PM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: upcountryhorseman
Na, shooting out tires is only in the movies. But stop strips are used by all the other police departments. Real cops now are trained to stop automobiles with their cars even if they have to wreck them.
But you gotta admit, this one sure got a lot of attention for the non furloughed, furloughed Capital POlice.
Funny thing though, no one that I have heard has played the dreaded race card.
27 posted on 10/05/2013 1:54:48 PM PDT by Tupelo (Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory, an old Republican Tradition.)
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To: grundle

Then you are wrong, she was at the US Capital, not the White and she had exited her car and was fleeing UNARMED when she was fired upon by UNION POLICE THUGS, they fired over 30 rounds at this UNARMED woman.

Keep in mind that HITLER had the help of union police thugs to take control on Germany.


28 posted on 10/05/2013 1:55:42 PM PDT by stockpirate (Build a gallows outside the US Capital and they will come..or we need to drag them to it..)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

How does an armed cop justify shooting someone running away, especially when he person has no known weapon on them?

If all it takes to justifiably kill someone is that they flee a car when you show your gun, I think we will see a lot more of this.

The police car that was totalled appears to have simply been his own bad driving. However, it has been spun as being “heroic.” After all, he did it to protect 0bama.


29 posted on 10/05/2013 1:57:33 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: GeronL

An (unknown to authorities) mentally unstable woman may or may not have gotten lost, injured some armed presidential security folks, dorve around the city causing chaos, shutting down the Capitol, was not obeying any commands and was shot.

Being nutterbutters can’t be an excuse to be able to do what she did. If people knew of her problems then maybe somebody who knew her probelms should have maybe taken steps to protect her from herself, like maybe say she shouldn’t be driving, shouldn’t be alone, and maybe help her with her daycare issues and other day to day problems.

You can’t lay any of that on the security people.


30 posted on 10/05/2013 1:57:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Yeah because they open up on just any random car going past the White House.

Cmon.


31 posted on 10/05/2013 1:59:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: grundle

Sad situation all around. No way the police can be blamed. When they say stop, it is best to STOP.


32 posted on 10/05/2013 2:00:54 PM PDT by DeaconRed (I want my FREE health Care Now like you promised ZERO. What? It's Not Free?)
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To: ConservativeMind

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2990028/posts?page=9#9


33 posted on 10/05/2013 2:02:25 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo

you know, most people don’t even think about this but I believe it’s true.

tv is INUNDATED with cop shows of all kinds.

They are shooting at people ALL THE TIME. Multiple times a show, weapons are drawn and gunfights occur.

The tactics used by the cops on these shows are theatrics and not legal in many cases, even the dialogs say so in certain stories.

We are swamped - and I believe - being programmed - to accept this sort of behavior and more importantly, SO ARE THE REAL COPS who watch this crap and think they can operate this way, like the tv cops.

It is brainwashing. NCIS and all, CSI and all, The Closer, Rookie Blue, Blue Bloods, NYPD whatever, Flashpoint, Criminal Minds, Numbers, The Shield, etc - some are not new but still in syndication - all this stuff.


34 posted on 10/05/2013 2:05:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: grundle

Besides, Trayvon had already died for her sin


35 posted on 10/05/2013 2:10:39 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: cripplecreek

A lot of people here in Tn remember the name

of Fallon Talent..that little gal killed two

Wilson County cops at a road block.

Friggin car sure can be a deadly weapon


36 posted on 10/05/2013 2:11:12 PM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: ConservativeMind

It definitely was an execution. This is what is coming to our country when only they have guns. She had no weapon.


37 posted on 10/05/2013 2:16:21 PM PDT by southland ( I have faith in the creator)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks grundle.

Four shot to death, five others injured in separate incidents across the five boroughs (NYC)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3075344/posts


38 posted on 10/05/2013 2:33:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Cops shouldn’t do soldiers work, and soldiers shouldn’t do police work.

Let’s not get started on the effed up rules of engagement in chithole countries we shouldn’t be in the first place.


39 posted on 10/05/2013 2:36:07 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Harold Shea

We had a local case where a man who was a drunk well known to police and had never been violent was raising hell with a neighbor. When police arrived the perp killed the first cop through the door with the only round he had and the second cop killed the perp. The usual suspects started screeching about the second cop killing an unarmed man.

I can also remember a case where I don’t believe the shooting was justified. 3 cops shot a guy from 10 or 15 yards away as he ran from them with a box cutter in hand.

And then there are the cases when a shooting is justified but police show restraint. Just last winter a guy a few miles from here chased 2 cops around his yard with a chainsaw. They managed to get the cruiser between themselves and the perp and managed to talk him down and arrested him peacefully.

Every single case is different.


40 posted on 10/05/2013 2:36:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grundle
The Sisters should be questioning the Doctors
who prescribed psychotropic drugs for her feeling blue.

41 posted on 10/05/2013 2:57:27 PM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo
Agree with all you said. It wasn't handled properly.

Regarding hussein talking to her, just why did the official have to emphasize this, "Those communications were, of course, in her head,"? The Navy Yard guy was also hearing voices. Makes one wonder if the guy who set himself on fire also heard voices. Too coincidental.

42 posted on 10/05/2013 3:30:02 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Gene Eric
But it wasn’t. It was carrying a toddler.

A truly idiotic response. As if a vehicle cannot be carrying a toddler AND 500 pounds of explosives.

43 posted on 10/05/2013 4:07:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Sherman Logan

You don’t have to smack someone with a personal attack at the same time you enlighten them to unconsidered possibilities. Try leaving the attacks off and watch how things improve.


44 posted on 10/05/2013 4:09:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Sorry, but those who assume we must expect that any vehicle carrying a child is therefore innocent are idiots. Those who want to attack us are perfectly willing to blow up children in the process, their own if necessary.

To call those who refuse to recognize this possibility idiots is, I think, entirely reasonable.


45 posted on 10/05/2013 4:13:57 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Wilderness Conservative

If you were to look you would see the scrape on the bumper.


46 posted on 10/05/2013 4:14:52 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: Sherman Logan

No, it is gratuitous insult. It is elevating self like Satan elevates himself. It is, in fact, being spiritually idiotic.


47 posted on 10/05/2013 4:31:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: bgill

“hussein talking to her”

He was calling her and sending her text messages.

Doesn’t he send robo calls to all of his followers?


48 posted on 10/05/2013 4:56:00 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Wilderness Conservative

You do understand that after hitting the SS Agent at the White House, she led cops on a ‘high speed’ chase to the Capitol? You understand that within that 1.5-2 miles there are hundreds, if not thousands, of people working, touring, walking and driving on those streets? Present company included.

A full-sized sedan moving at even a moderate street on those streets is or can be a lethal weapon, especially if a mentally ill person is behind the wheel. Ironically, if there weren’t a government shutdown, it’s not unlikely that she wouldn’t have made it to Capitol Hill without running over a pedestrian.

Isn’t it also somewhat presumptuous for folks to assign psychic powers to these cops who are charged with protecting the public or public officials from harm? They’re supposed to divine not only the driver’s mental state, but the contents of the vehicle, i.e., any weapons or explosives, or even the baby?


49 posted on 10/05/2013 6:24:17 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

Im not saying she should not have been taken out. I just question what started the whole thing. Ramming a barricade doesnt fit the evidence.


50 posted on 10/05/2013 6:28:34 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative
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