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Get Ready for ObamaCare Premium Defaults
The American Spectator ^ | 4.4.13 | Betsy McCaughey

Posted on 10/03/2013 9:39:51 AM PDT by tflabo

Even with subsidies, millions of people coerced to sign up will stop paying premiums. ..... Families living paycheck to paycheck will default in order to make rent or car payments. This is the mortgage crisis and the college loan crisis all over again.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; obamacare; obamacarecosts; obamacarepremiums; obamascare
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and if those who default on their monthly premiums will they still be subject to the IRS penalty? What a cluster you-know-what.
1 posted on 10/03/2013 9:39:51 AM PDT by tflabo
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To: tflabo

This is one of those unintended consequences that seem to be missing from the diatribe of our media geniuses.


2 posted on 10/03/2013 9:47:25 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: tflabo

If they don’t pay the personal mandate fine/tax then there is nothing the IRS is allowed to do about it.

Just don’t pay.


3 posted on 10/03/2013 9:47:41 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: tflabo

and if those who default on their monthly premiums will they still be subject to the IRS penalty?

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You bet your OBAMA they will. Unpaid Obamacare premiums will be added to your tax burden. Failure to pay your IRS taxes will lead to forfeitures, seizures, garnishment of wages, even imprisonment if things get too FUBO.

Welcome to a “Fundamentally Changed America.” At least Dear Leader kept one of his campain promises.


4 posted on 10/03/2013 9:48:53 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: sickoflibs

***If they don’t pay the personal mandate fine/tax then there is nothing the IRS is allowed to do about it.***

Remember, it is a TAX. The IRS will eventually find a way to collect, and it won’t be pretty.


5 posted on 10/03/2013 9:52:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

RE:”Remember, it is a TAX. The IRS will eventually find a way to collect, and it won’t be pretty.”

The law forbids that, except taking your tax refund instead of sending that to you.


6 posted on 10/03/2013 9:54:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: Responsibility2nd; All

Yep—its government La Costra Nostra organized legalized crime. Fork over their DC mafioso extortion ‘healthcare protection’ fees or the goons will come calling.


7 posted on 10/03/2013 9:54:54 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: sickoflibs

The IRS is allowed to withhold a tax refund, if any.

Also, as a knowledgeable poster pointed out yesterday, if the penalty money is comingled with other monies owed, the IRS may be able to come after the combined amount through liens, garnishments, seizures, etc.


8 posted on 10/03/2013 9:55:50 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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Obamacare amnesty will be the answer. Women and children will be hit hardest, so amnesty is the only possible solution.

Have a job? Work hard? Contribute to society? You will be punished...

9 posted on 10/03/2013 9:57:38 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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Cloward-Piven at work.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html


10 posted on 10/03/2013 9:58:38 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sickoflibs
"Just don't pay."

Sorry. Not an option. Thanks to SCOTUS, Obamacare is a "tax." As such it is constitutionally protected. Written into the thousands of pages of regs, Obamacare has the power to simply go into your bank account and take it. As repeatedly demonstrated under the current administration, the IRS can do whatever it wants. "Don't like that? See you in court. In 10 years or so."
11 posted on 10/03/2013 9:59:50 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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And if your refund is less than the fine you can bet they will come calling. never trust Government promises!

Remember, Social Security is not the same as was promised. Neither is Medicare. And remember the Catastrophic Health Care act of a few years back?

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/09/us/retreat-congress-catastrophic-care-debacle-special-report-new-medicare-law-fell.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2480941/posts


12 posted on 10/03/2013 10:02:57 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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I don’t know anything about this ‘law’ except that it is bad. I am not going to go online (or in person) sign up for anything whilst providing every piece of information this administration or the officials that run this program says they need.

I’m going to ‘divest’ myself and transfer the wealth to other people and I will become a pauper with nothing to take. Hopefully, I’ll qualify for Medicaid, SNAP, EITC, and maybe Section 8. I’m looking forward to my ObamaPhone, too.


13 posted on 10/03/2013 10:09:13 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Remember, it is a TAX. The IRS will eventually find a way to collect, and it won’t be pretty.

This TAX did not originate in the House, and that will be my defense. Now, do you REALLY think they'll want to prosecute?


14 posted on 10/03/2013 10:29:45 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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I would not be surprised if this the Zero King expected this to happen and may have even planned it. This way, they can go back to Congress and request more money to spend: "It's for the children!!!!"

Except, of course, the fictional little girl with cancer that Harry Reid hates.....

15 posted on 10/03/2013 10:30:53 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Gaffer

exactly. there are going to be many creative ways to individually resist this anti-law.

those who are already throwing in the towel simply don’t want that inconvenience, the’re your classic fair-weather patriot. their reluctance to resist will be the greatest boon to obamacare.


16 posted on 10/03/2013 10:39:43 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Gaffer

I was pondering something similar. Donate my house to the religious organization I am affiliated with. They will be happy to let me live in it for the rest of my life.


17 posted on 10/03/2013 10:42:54 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: tflabo

Betsy must be lurking at FR. I raised this topic a couple of days ago.


18 posted on 10/03/2013 10:42:56 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; PowderMonkey; steve86
RE :”And if your refund is less than the fine you can bet they will come calling. never trust Government promises!”

The law specifically forbids that except to take it from your refund only if you are due one. If you are not due one then they are out of luck

Just dont pay hat $70 per year and there is nothing they can do.

I guess Rush doesnt want you to know this. He must want us to sign up as do the others trying to scare us.

19 posted on 10/03/2013 10:45:34 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: tflabo
Imagine their surprise when they find out that the insurance doesn't cover 100% of the medical costs.

My wife LOL'ed when I did my impression of a low information voter: "What do you mean CO-PAY? Obama said we wuz gonna get FREE healthcare!"

20 posted on 10/03/2013 10:46:18 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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