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House fails to pass 3 emergency funding bills amid government slimdown
FoxNews.com ^ | 10/1/2013 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 10/01/2013 6:02:08 PM PDT by umpqua

The House of Representatives tried but failed to pass three emergency funding bills Tuesday, amid much political finger pointing by both parties in the wake of the potentially drawn out stalemate over the budget.

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1 posted on 10/01/2013 6:02:08 PM PDT by umpqua
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To: umpqua

Obamacare wasn’t nipped in the bud, and this is the result.


2 posted on 10/01/2013 6:08:35 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: umpqua

Famous last words in history:

“I say to my Republican friends, ObamaCare is over. It’s passed, it’s the law,” Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid said.

“I say to my Republican friends, the Fugitive Slave Act is over. It’s passed, it’s the law,” Democratic Senator Jefferson Davis said.


3 posted on 10/01/2013 6:29:41 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: umpqua

Why was this done in a way that would require 2-3 vote???

That’s just asking for it to fail.


4 posted on 10/01/2013 6:36:43 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
Why was this done in a way that would require 2/3 vote???

That’s just asking for it to fail.

5 posted on 10/01/2013 6:37:36 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

“That’s just asking for it to fail.”

Maybe that was the plan?


6 posted on 10/01/2013 6:38:14 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Principled

because Bonehead is an idiot


7 posted on 10/01/2013 6:39:37 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: RKBA Democrat

Yes but they’d been doing so well and gaining. They also know that we’re paying very close attention and this wouldn’t go unnoticed. So I discount your assertion and wonder why the change.

Is there a budget rule or something?


8 posted on 10/01/2013 6:40:24 PM PDT by Principled
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To: GeronL

OK well I gotta hand it to you =- he is an idiot.

but why the recent change ... was the bill to pay service members a 2/3 vote?


9 posted on 10/01/2013 6:41:25 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

Very good question


10 posted on 10/01/2013 6:44:32 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Principled

Trying to make the senate/democrats/prez look like asshats? Unfortunately, it seems to be having the opposite effect. My only hope is that that effect is temporary and frigging people wake up. Wishful thinking....

This whole thing is damned frustrating for conservatives.


11 posted on 10/01/2013 6:47:02 PM PDT by txmissy
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To: umpqua

We got 34 Dem votes on the DC bill!
http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx

Nancy may not be able to stop the NIH bill tomorrow.
Boy is Harry gonna be mad if the House votes to let children get cancer treatment...


12 posted on 10/01/2013 6:48:53 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: umpqua

They need to go home and get a good night’s sleep, just like the Senate. Let Harry make the next move. It’s so simple!


13 posted on 10/01/2013 6:49:41 PM PDT by lu shissler (ecause)
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To: lu shissler

They need to go home until Nov 2014. The koolaid drinkers in the Rat party will flatline.


14 posted on 10/01/2013 6:53:47 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: umpqua

What a shame...Bloated unionized corrupt government workers and corrupt government contractors are hurting after one whole day??

Everyday day bloated corrupt fatgov is shut down, eliminate 5,000 fed gov employees and reduce their fat bloated tax paid retirement pensions by 50 percent...

Everyday...Eliminate 5,000 of these parasites....


15 posted on 10/01/2013 6:56:23 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: lu shissler

They just adjourned.


16 posted on 10/01/2013 6:59:06 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Principled

Suspension is the ‘expeditious’ way of getting votes taken.
I assume there was political PR impact considered too.
There are more of these votes coming.


17 posted on 10/01/2013 7:00:00 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: GeronL

I concur.


18 posted on 10/01/2013 7:00:30 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: GeronL
The failed measures were treated by House GOP leaders as suspension bills, meaning they needed a two thirds majority to pass. The parks funding bill went down by a tally of 252 to 176, the veterans programs by 264 to 164 and the D.C. government funding by 265 to 163.

He's not stupid. He's keeping the pressure on. The Dems just voted down three programs. Can you imagine those commercials?

Elsewhere in Washington, House Republicans were pressuring Democratic senators to meet them at the negotiating table to hash out a budget package.

The House appointed "conferees" overnight who would -- if the Senate agrees -- participate in a conference committee to craft a budget bill. Those GOP representatives held a press conference Tuesday to note that Democrats were nowhere to be found at that negotiating table.

"All of us here (are) sitting at a table waiting for the Senate Democrats to join us so we can begin to resolve our differences," House Republican Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., said.

"The way to resolve our differences is to sit down and talk. And as you can see, there's no one here on the other side of the table," he said.

From another article:

House Rules Chairman Pete Sessions, R-Texas, said his panel would bring the three bills up under a rule on Wednesday, so Republicans could pass the measures with a simple majority. It’s an open question whether Sessions would allow Democrats to have a standard motion to recommit on the bills, for fear that Democrats would force Republicans to go on record opposing a “clean” CR through a procedural vote

This is brilliant strategy. They nail the Dems on the first vote, now they just need a simple majority to pass all three. Will he Dems vote for or against this time? We're winning. Learn to recognize it. These guys aren't stupid. Obama's poll numbers are crumbling. They're playing to win.

19 posted on 10/01/2013 7:05:34 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Principled

They were brought under the “suspension of rules” according to what I heard on CSpan. I guess it takes 2/3 majority. Wonder if they can bring it up in a way that only requires a majority.


20 posted on 10/01/2013 7:06:45 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: mrsmith

Spot on. You’re the wise one here.


21 posted on 10/01/2013 7:06:51 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Principled
This was explained on Hannity this afternoon. I do not usually listen to his entire show, but I was working in my office while listening to Rush and left the radio on. One of the congressmen who called in during the program mentioned that the only way the House could bring up these items was to used a procedural tool that requires a 2/3 vote for passage. The idea was to bring up items that would be very hard for the Democrats to vote against. If they voted for the measures, all well and good. If they voted no, it could be used against them in 2014.
22 posted on 10/01/2013 7:07:44 PM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: Girlene

Yes, they are planning on it. Conservatives used to be known as long term thinkers with solid strategy. Every time we don’t get an easy day, the sky is falling. Nonsense.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3073619/posts?page=19#19

We’re winning, but no plan survives contact with the enemy. Listen to the media reports. It’s no longer wholly biased because they know the public knows better. It’s the Dems constituents who will be screaming for relief in short order.

The GOP should make it clear that they’re not going to retroact these payments. Let the Dems sweat it out.


23 posted on 10/01/2013 7:09:34 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

But, with the House in the pubs hands, doesn’t this mean a number of pubs voted against the bills?


24 posted on 10/01/2013 7:10:04 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: 1010RD
This is brilliant strategy. They nail the Dems on the first vote, now they just need a simple majority to pass all three. Will he Dems vote for or against this time? We're winning. Learn to recognize it. These guys aren't stupid. Obama's poll numbers are crumbling. They're playing to win.

I hope you are right. I'm hearing Cspan read a list of Republican names who are willing to vote for a clean CR with no strings attached.
25 posted on 10/01/2013 7:11:13 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: 1010RD

Great analysis. Now the House Dems are the miniature “party of no”.

There’s no doubt now who is stopping the government from functioning. And you are right, for once Republicans appear to be playing country hardball. Name-calling and insults are all the Democrats have.


26 posted on 10/01/2013 7:11:16 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (My PV2 is my hero.)
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To: 1010RD
Can you imagine those commercials?

Unless they run those commercials now, they won't put pressure on the Democrats

27 posted on 10/01/2013 7:11:57 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Girlene

House members were just sworn in for their two-year terms this past January. The sweet thing about all this brinkmanship and polling is that a year in politics is an eternity. All of this finger-pointing will be long forgotten by the ignorant chattering class in 3 months. The TV ads next October will, however, be fresh.


28 posted on 10/01/2013 7:21:14 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 1010RD

“It’s an open question whether Sessions would allow Democrats to have a standard motion to recommit on the bills...”

LOL! There are 4 dems and 9 Rs on the Rules Comm. IIRC.
Sessions can do whatever he likes. Why does the ‘reporter’ even bring this up (yeah I know)?

And I don’t think the RINOs would be in a hurry to revolt anyway. King and Dent got no RINO votes for their revolt yesterday.

Sure is good to see the Rs doing it right in the House, it’s been a long, long time coming.


29 posted on 10/01/2013 7:21:53 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: GeronL; 1010RD

see post #28


30 posted on 10/01/2013 7:22:06 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 1010RD

He’s not stupid. He’s keeping the pressure on. The Dems just voted down three programs. Can you imagine those commercials?


What obamacare commercials? All I have heard are common core and amnesty commercials. Apparently for the GOP and their donors kenyancare is not worth putting their money where their mouths are.


31 posted on 10/01/2013 7:23:25 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Principled

“Is there a budget rule or something?”

Maybe. We don’t get many real-time glimpses behind the curtain.

Are we to ascribe this apparent failure to incompetence or malevolence...or perhaps a finer but as yet undiscernable goal?

Based on too recent history, we’ve seen that the first instinct of the House leadership is to roll over or cut and run at the first opportunity. Is this setting up a sort of straw man to show that us that they “just can’t win” ?

I don’t know. I smell a rat. The problem is in that sort of company, it would be very difficult NOT to smell a rat.


32 posted on 10/01/2013 7:24:30 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: matginzac
You need a 2/3 majority to pass a suspension bill. They're usually noncontroversial 'gimme' bills.

Thirty-three of the 197 Democrats joined every Republican to support the veterans funding bill. Thirty-four crossed over to support a measure allowing the district of Columbia to temporarily determine its own spending priorities. And just 22 Democrats voted to support a bill funding 'National Park Service operations, the Smithsonian Institution, the National Gallery of Art, and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.'

They're testing the Dems and slapping down the moderates.

33 posted on 10/01/2013 7:27:52 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Girlene

“I’m hearing Cspan read a list of Republican names who are willing to vote for a clean CR with no strings attached. “

Boehner seems to be willing to keep the RINOs in line.
He may even have convinced them it’s a good idea.
Any RINO who pulled the rug out from under him now would be toast. That may change if the strategy doesn’t show positive results soon of course.

Did they say where they got these names from?


34 posted on 10/01/2013 7:29:12 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Girlene

Each of those bills was a clean CR with no strings attached. They just funded one part of the government. Keep in mind that DC is just spending its own tax revenue, not federal money, but it cannot without permission from Congress. If they vote to keep DC ‘shut down’ who suffers most conservatives or liberals?


35 posted on 10/01/2013 7:29:55 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: VRWC For Truth

The whole government should go home until 2100.


36 posted on 10/01/2013 7:30:00 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

The Dems love power and when they’re stymied they don’t have a deep game. It’s Obama’s ruin. He comes from hyperliberal Hyde Park, Chicago, Cook County, IL - it’s Dem on Dem on Dem. He doesn’t know how to negotiate. He’s never had to. Everything here is a deal, a trick. DC is big league and Boehner’s Speaker for a reason.

I know he’s not liked, but maybe 1/1000 FReepers know what it’s like to herd cats. Leadership is hard and you have to think long term all the while fighting a short term game.

So far, I really like what the plan is. There is obvious coordination between the House’s RSC and the Senate conservatives. It’s being well played.

People don’t realize that the Dems are the ones running out of cards quickly. Their constituency is government. How long can they hold out?


37 posted on 10/01/2013 7:35:36 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: GeronL

LOL, look whose heads are exploding. Who are in front of the cameras screaming bloody murder, throwing fits, etc.? Obama and his Democrats.

They know the score. Think, man, think. We’ve got to be sharper than this. It’s the long game. We’re winning and we only have the House. Think about what can be done, smartly and gently and after we get the economy revved up, once we hold the Senate?


38 posted on 10/01/2013 7:38:58 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: GeronL

D A M N. . S T R A I G H T


39 posted on 10/01/2013 7:40:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: mrsmith

Spot on. It’s the Dems that are getting spanked and they’re crying like it hurts. You’re sharp and I am sorry we haven’t met before. You’re doing exactly what FReepers should be doing.

There isn’t going to be some cavalry charge or ‘final epic battle’. This is a long game and for every move we must expect a counter. So far, Obama and Reid are boxed in. They’re really stuck.

The final nail is day after day of specific ‘clean’ spending bills covering specific segments of government. All politics is local and we need to win in 2014 and I mean bury them for a generation.


40 posted on 10/01/2013 7:41:43 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Leadership is hard and you have to think long term all the while fighting a short term game.

Leadership is hard. But it's also perfectly natural to wonder where this leadership was on any of a dozen other issues in the past.

Party discipline is a worry for me on this. Like you, I like the strategy but I do wonder if the leadership and whips will work as hard to keep moderates in tow as they do to flog conservatives. But if they can keep it together, Zero's governing power can be crippled.

41 posted on 10/01/2013 7:42:25 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (My PV2 is my hero.)
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To: lodi90

Why waste a penny now when the MSM is doing our work for us?


42 posted on 10/01/2013 7:42:35 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

I agree with your conclusion that the Pubbies are actually winning even though the MSM is cheerleading for the dems. Eventually the House GOP’s “one step at a time” and Fairness message and the screaming over-reaching dems is going to soak in.


43 posted on 10/01/2013 7:43:18 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: 1010RD

true,

I think TV ads by the GOP would really hurt right now


44 posted on 10/01/2013 7:44:27 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: 1010RD

If nothing else, it looks bi-partisan to me.
Does this mean some of the lib dims are terrorists too?
Perhaps another sign that they are hearing from their people back home?


45 posted on 10/01/2013 7:44:41 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Agreed, the leadership is covering every marginal district across the nation. It’s rare that a single topic or issue, particularly one conservatives care about, galvanizes across every district. King (NY) freaked out a bit, but I think he got slapped good today.

Boehner proved that he has the votes to control the House. That sends a very, very clear message to Obama and Reid: Deal now or suffer.

The government is the Democrats constituency. How long will a welfare mom go without her check on the 3rd of the month?

DC is shut down and it’s their own tax money they’re spending. How long will that be tolerated?

This deal is over come the weekend. The Dems will break on the little bills, then the garbage starts piling up, etc. The Dems know their up against it. They only have one answer to the nations economic woes - more debt and spending. Without that, they’re not a party any more.

I think Boehner’s very, very sharp.


46 posted on 10/01/2013 7:48:07 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
King (NY) freaked out a bit, but I think he got slapped good today.

Hopefully, more than a little bit.

We sometimes speak of how conservatives need to reclaim the Republican Party. This is the kind of goal-line stand that can help make that sort of thing happen, if the will exists to see it through.

I think Boehner understands that his Speakership is on the line now. The conservative caucus has its heads on the proverbial chopping block here and they won't stand for a cave by leadership now.

47 posted on 10/01/2013 7:50:57 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (My PV2 is my hero.)
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To: matginzac

Correct. House Dems already broke for cover. They’ll break all the way tomorrow. How can they not fund the VA or DC or the National Parks?

Keep in mind that so far the National Parks are the only unfunded federal service people are mad about?

When a liberal is screaming at you, then you know you’ve won. More flack, means you’re hitting your target. Where’s Obama the statesman, above the fray? Remember No Drama Obama? That was a lie even then.


48 posted on 10/01/2013 7:51:09 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I think you’re right. One thing too few FReepers recognize is that you need RINOs. America isn’t conservative through and through, but winning close elections gives you control over the agenda, committees and votes. That’s critical.

Are RINOs going to be switch hitters, yes. That’s the nature of it, but if you plan your legislation wisely you can win over and over again. The Senate is a bit different, because each one is a POTUS-in-waiting, but it was meant to be slow and aristocratic.

The fundamental issue is overreach. The Dems did it with Obamacare. It was a stupid bill that hurt them in the long run. We didn’t get here in one fell swoop. Liberals used incrementalism over a generation.

They’ve lost a ton of advantages - voter fraud, the Internet information highway, and the bad economy. When people are hungry and scared they want to be helped. We’re at an inflection point where that help, if packaged correctly, is via the free market. If we choose our battles wisely and get the economy going again, we can be a majority party for a generation.

The people don’t want a revolution, but incremental conservative change that brings government back into its Constitutional bounds while the economy hums along. Brother, that’s a winner.


49 posted on 10/01/2013 7:58:04 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Boehner IS doing right by us this time.

Letting the RINOs hide from a vote on the Senate’s CR is something I’ve criticized, but he’s much smarter to do that for them so they can vote for these mini-bills. And bringing them up again in regular order so a majority can pass them means the media will have to report them.

Many here are wondering what the catch is in what Boehner’s doing or, like me, wondering where this guy has been LOL!


50 posted on 10/01/2013 8:02:01 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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