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New House GOP bill delays health law by 1 year
Associated Press ^ | Sep 28, 2013 1:44 PM EDT | Alan Fram and Andrew Taylor

Posted on 09/28/2013 11:36:50 AM PDT by Olog-hai

House Republicans on Saturday pushed the government to the edge of a partial shutdown next week, insisting that President Barack Obama’s health care law be delayed a year in defiance of White House and the Democratic-controlled Senate.

They rejected a Senate bill passed Friday that would keep the government operating another 45 days and make no changes to the health law. Instead, House Republicans prepared to pass their own version Saturday and throw the issue back to the Senate, which is not scheduled to return until Monday afternoon, 10 hours before the shutdown deadline.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has insisted the Senate would not pass a bill that alters the law. The White House has said Obama would veto such a bill. …

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 1yeardelay; cr; defundobamacare; delayobamacare; gop; obamacare; zerocare
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1 posted on 09/28/2013 11:36:50 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Obama cannot agree to this without some massive loss of face; it will effectively be an admission of the horrific disaster that his hallmark legislation turned out to be.

He will let this nation crash and burn before he admits to failure.


2 posted on 09/28/2013 11:38:39 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

He already lost face internationally. He can’t keep from losing face here.


3 posted on 09/28/2013 11:40:28 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Sorry, not good enough.


4 posted on 09/28/2013 11:40:45 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Olog-hai

Big O and the Old Man Reid painted themselve in the corner! Instead of negotiating, they would not listen to reason at all!

FUBO and FUHR and FUDEMS.

Lesse, did I run out of FU?


5 posted on 09/28/2013 11:43:27 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (what does it prove if we get involved in it?)
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To: Olog-hai

It would be a plan if the proponents were such that promises they have ever made or make would be kept, but history has shown us this is not the case.

To delay the instantiation of Obamacare for the common man and woman not associated with an Obama Privileged Exempt Group could be beneficial IF our RINO proponents actually intended to do something like get rid of, or try to defund (again) this socialist law. However, they have no such intention. In fact, their delay actually helps Obama and the Democrats because it removes the personal tragedies and financial heartache from the 2014 Congressional Election mix completely. In other words, at the 2014 elections, it would be a law-not-yet-implemented and the subject of many many lies that could not be refuted.

Our Republican leadership is power-corrupt, and they will say or do anything to maintain that power. Do not listen to them, do not believe them, do not trust them. They only want their power and they will sell your children down that river to keep it.


6 posted on 09/28/2013 11:46:18 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Olog-hai

I would love to see one of the two scenarios.

Reid does what he did this last time...with the Rinos he strips out the health funding, and sends it back to the HOuse.

Boehner faced with a govt shutdown passes a bill to fund the govt for six months. He says we will not have the American people held hostage.

And let the damn Obamacare kick in. The people very quickly will see what the results are, and feel the pain.

or REid passes the House bill as is and sends it to the president who vetos the bill.

Then back to the House where Boehner agrees to fund the govt.

I see know benefit in letting low information voters off the hook here. They need to feel the effects of this terrible health care law.


7 posted on 09/28/2013 11:48:26 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: Gaffer
it removes the personal tragedies and financial heartache from the 2014 Congressional Election mix completely.

YEP.

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8 posted on 09/28/2013 11:49:38 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Olog-hai

It is my belief the Obamacare Law is illegal to begin with.

It required the bribing of several senators to get it to pass. That act of voting fraud is definately illegal!

That among several other things!


9 posted on 09/28/2013 11:50:10 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (what does it prove if we get involved in it?)
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To: nikos1121

No not know...

In short I agree with you...


10 posted on 09/28/2013 11:50:18 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: nikos1121

What I would like to see is the house passing the 1 year delay, add in funding for Keystone and send it back to the senate. Then I would like to see the senate democrats go along and pass it to Obama.

If everyone had a set of cajones, they would let Obama have it.


11 posted on 09/28/2013 11:53:05 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: nikos1121
Once Obamacare kicks in you never get rid of it. That's because the first to sign up will be those who are subsidized, and there will be no way to pay for their insurance without dragging everyone else in to it. Besides that, so many employee plans and private plans will disappear in six months that there will be no alternative to following through.

It's the RINO way to put things off now and worry about the future in the future. If you can't control the present when the means are there, how are you going to control the future?

12 posted on 09/28/2013 11:53:40 AM PDT by grania
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To: Olog-hai

Reid can then hold a vote on cloture,
add an amendment deleting the obamacare delay,
gets 51 votes to pass the amending bill,
and send it back to the House.

Just like the senate did with the first continuing resolution.
Reid’s senate mafia can do this over and over again.

It is ugly, but it is true.


13 posted on 09/28/2013 11:54:51 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Olog-hai

Here’s an idea, instead of delaying this monstrosity, just destroy it, throw it into a fire and burn it..of course it wont happen since libs have been wanting for centuries to be able to control who lives and who dies


14 posted on 09/28/2013 11:55:58 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Olog-hai
Pull the bammycare back out.

March the entire House out on the steps and fire up the cameras.

Pass out full text (three sentences) copies of the fifteen second speech.

"Here is the bill to the Senate, we funded everything except the Un-Affordable No-Care Act"

"They will never see any money for that."

"Thank you."



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15 posted on 09/28/2013 12:02:53 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Olog-hai
What are those of us who already got kicked off our plans supposed to do for the next year? I will guarantee no one is going to be taken back on their old plans. This is not just a philosophical issue; many of us need frequent ongoing treatment.

This would be a serious mistake in many ways including letting Obama off the hook for the 2014 elections.

16 posted on 09/28/2013 12:08:53 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: nikos1121

The LIV feels nothing. This law harms people who are currently sick. Infanticide and now death camps. We all know where this is heading. Stop the fascists now.


17 posted on 09/28/2013 12:10:46 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: nikos1121
They need to feel the effects of this terrible health care law.

Along with the rest of us...???

18 posted on 09/28/2013 12:11:02 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: TLI

The house should hack out 50 billion dollars and pass the CR.
Punish the senate for their actions.
That’s how I negotiate. When I give someone a good deal and they turn around and make a low ball offer I go in the opposite direction.


19 posted on 09/28/2013 12:13:30 PM PDT by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: grania
Besides that, so many employee plans and private plans will disappear in six months

They already have. Numerous private and state plans already kaput -- no funding and no budget after the first of the year. It would not even be legal to re-enact those plans. No going back now and no alternative (as you say) put forth by the Republicans.

The defunding should have occurred three years ago and on an ongoing basis since then.

20 posted on 09/28/2013 12:15:35 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: fwdude

He won’t lose face for a delay. He will come up with the wiggle worm wording, ask congress to fix a few problems such as the medical device tax, have them spin their wheels and use any delay to advantage in the 2014 elections. Every time you think the Republicans have sunk to a new level of stupidity, they prove you wrong.


21 posted on 09/28/2013 12:19:14 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: Olog-hai

Awesome. Now the Dems can sweep the midterms next year by bragging about the great Obamacare that they created for America, which the evil Republicans made us all wait another year before being able to enjoy.


22 posted on 09/28/2013 12:23:01 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: okie01

We’re just four votes away from prevailing on the cloture vote. THis thing could unravel in the senate.

I guess I should just shut up...Boehner did the right thing. Let’s support him...

Now we will see what will happen in the Senate. I find it hard to believe that we won’t get a few more Senators behind Cruz this time around.

I’m starting to smell a win for our team here.


23 posted on 09/28/2013 12:28:54 PM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: fwdude

Oh I don’t know this way it can again be pushed off until the mid term elections are over and the public will have not gotten the full taste of Obamacare.
Seems like it is win win for the Dems if you ask me. They get to delay it while blaming the republicans yet it gets implemented still just a year later in 2015.

It is almost as if Boehner and Obama cooked this plan up together.


24 posted on 09/28/2013 12:39:26 PM PDT by funfan
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To: steve86
I still say put it off for a year. It would be totally possible to extend those policies that had been cancelled. I hate to sound cruel, but if some people die because they've lost their insurance, it'll be less than would die because of Obamacare.

Real answer...private clinics on a pay-as-you-can basis, with a minimum for a visit. The catch? Maybe if you've got a dread disease, the only care you'll get is a book about nutrition, healthy lifestyle, and exercise.

The fact is it's impossible to care for everyone with the most expensive treatments. If it is necessary to meet a need, cheaper alternatives will be discovered and used.

25 posted on 09/28/2013 12:40:40 PM PDT by grania
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To: Olog-hai

Republicans in the US House are scum if this is true, this one year delay will allow voters to not experience the pain of Obama care before the election thus aiding democrats to win.


26 posted on 09/28/2013 12:44:38 PM PDT by stockpirate (Build a gallows outside the US Capital and they will come..or we need to drag them to it..)
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To: Olog-hai
Re: “New House GOP bill delays health law by 1 year.”

We are so stupid.

That is EXACTLY what every Democrat wants!

Delay ObamaCare until AFTER the 2014 election.

27 posted on 09/28/2013 12:45:43 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Olog-hai
I think I am alright with this. I was originally opposed thinking it would give the dems time enough get the bugs fixed. But if funded in October they will work on fixing the bugs anyway...it will not fall apart under its own weight. They will not let that happen

There is a good chance we can win the Senate in 2014 and hold the House. If that occurs we can then kill it dead.

28 posted on 09/28/2013 12:46:54 PM PDT by george123 (gesully)
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To: george123

I hope you’re right.
So many of these Senate campaigns of 2010 and 2012 that looked promising have wilted under the onslaught of the MSM.


29 posted on 09/28/2013 12:48:38 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: nikos1121

In case you missed it, this delay is what the democrats wanted in the first place, it delays voters from the pain of Obamacare until after the election, so to support Bone-us is stupid.


30 posted on 09/28/2013 12:49:26 PM PDT by stockpirate (Build a gallows outside the US Capital and they will come..or we need to drag them to it..)
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To: grania

I have Blue Cross of Arkansas. I’ve gotten mail from them saying they are cancelling my policy as January 1, 2014 to comply with the ACA. However, I can keep the policy I have in place through 2014.

Not exactly confusing, but a wild(not in a good way) situation. Our state(governor) has been really big on the ACA as opposed to our neighbors Louisiana and Texas.


31 posted on 09/28/2013 1:12:37 PM PDT by AceMineral (Some people are slaves of their own stupidity.)
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To: nikos1121
But the main purpose of Obamacare is a massive expansion of the welfare state. I tend to agree with Pat Buchanan therefore. Letting the law be implemented makes it much, much harder to ever overturn. It would be like trying to roll back food stamps or free school lunches now. They'll say you want children to starve or die in the streets, and low information voters will buy it, while all the people getting the free bennies will vote the libs back in even though they "may not agree with them on everything." The most important issue will be the free stuff they're getting.

If Obamacare is funded, the subsidies starting in January will constitute a morphine drip from which America’s health-care system will not recover. If not stopped now, Obamacare is forever.

32 posted on 09/28/2013 1:26:33 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: grania
It would be totally possible to extend those policies that had been cancelled.

Real easy to sit at your Keyboard Kommando Station and say that.

Just a bit more difficult in the real world of state insurance commissioners and federal law.

33 posted on 09/28/2013 1:46:21 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

So the longer it is before Obamacare is defunded and/or abolished, the more harm it’s going to do. Look, I’m sorry that people are going to suffer. They should take it up with the RINOs who didn’t filibuster Obamacare when it was first voted in.


34 posted on 09/28/2013 1:49:14 PM PDT by grania
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound
It is my belief the Obamacare Law is illegal to begin with. It required the bribing of several senators to get it to pass.

If bribing legislators was enough to get a law rescinded, we'd have a lot simpler society. Why do you think they call the second in command "the whip?"

35 posted on 09/28/2013 2:22:40 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Olog-hai

So how does delaying the bill help anyone but the Democrats to give them a clear shot at 2013?


36 posted on 09/28/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Olog-hai

Good for them — put the ball back in the Senate’s court and see if the Republican Senators will grow a pair in the meantime.


37 posted on 09/28/2013 2:45:21 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: fwdude
He will let this nation crash and burn before he admits to failure.

I agree..

38 posted on 09/28/2013 2:46:08 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Barack Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama, America's first woman president..)
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To: Olog-hai
This is a mistake.

Half measures never get the job done.

39 posted on 09/28/2013 2:46:36 PM PDT by Pietro
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Harry Reid, D-Nev., has insisted the Senate would not pass a bill that alters the law

That is such a joke.

They've altered that bill for big business, and they've altered it for insider cronies, and they've altered it for members of congress and their cronies, but they won't "pass a bill that alters the law."

Reid and his and Obama's minions are despicable.

40 posted on 09/28/2013 2:48:26 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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This will be fun.

Reid and Obambi have already said they want a shut down, and will blame it on the House GOP (and the TEA party). The MSM is geared up for that, and so is the Senate. Up to the point where Harkin and others are hinting that “something needs to be done” about the TEA party.

Yet, the House GOP follows along the script.

The Senate holds the power, and I fully expect that to become clear soon. Or that Obama will just order healthcare bill enforced, and let the courts settle out who pays.


41 posted on 09/28/2013 2:49:09 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: nikos1121
"We’re just four votes away from prevailing on the cloture vote. THis thing could unravel in the senate."

You are thinking of the final vote to amend and send back to the House. The cloture vote was 79 to 19. We lost badly. This will rise or fall on Boehner's willingness to stand on some ground, almost any ground, and Reid's intransigence in saying he will not accept anything but a clean CR as passed by the Senate.

42 posted on 09/28/2013 2:57:22 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Gaffer

I agree. Let the dammmm thing roll out and then let everyone see!


43 posted on 09/28/2013 2:58:27 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Olog-hai
Yeah, put it off til the election after next.

No wonder the RINOs are going for it.

44 posted on 09/28/2013 3:11:20 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Olog-hai

SLAY IT. Don’t delay it,

Boehner is rescuing Obama, just like Putin did with Barky’s Red Line gaffe.

I agree totally with Rush on this. ObamaCare’s most intense pain won’t be felt by Americans until AFTER the 2014 Mid-term Elections. Furthermore, Obama and his MSM accomplices will blame all post-2014 pain on the GOP.


45 posted on 09/28/2013 3:15:24 PM PDT by CDB ("Phony" scandals attacked by a phony president who advocates phony perptual crises)
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To: CDB

Well, as always politics is the art of the possible.

“No money for the beast this year” has to beat “keep on feeding it.”


46 posted on 09/28/2013 3:17:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: chris37
Sorry, not good enough.

Why? Given the control of the Senate and POTUS by Demos, isn't this move excellent?

47 posted on 09/28/2013 3:25:40 PM PDT by relentlessly
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“I agree. Let the dammmm thing roll out and then let everyone see!”

See what? The first people enrolling will be the ones getting freebies. This is a standard democrat vote buying operation. Do you honestly think that Obamacare is about healthcare? Do you think that Pelosi and Reid give a rat’s a$$ if people are dying out there? Nope.

Obamacare is about getting people hooked on the federal government. It’s about power. Every Obamacare recipient will be a democrat voter because republicans are threatening to take it away.

Medicare is just as socialist as obamacare but nobody is talking about defunding it because millions are already hooked.

Once obamacare is implemented the fight will end.


48 posted on 09/28/2013 3:37:35 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Olog-hai

....or we could just kill it outright....


49 posted on 09/28/2013 3:41:37 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: stockpirate
it delays voters from the pain of Obamacare until after the election...

There seem to be two diverging opinions in the FR threads regarding 2014 impact. I fail to see the notion that a 1-year delay puts it off till AFTER the election. If it is 1 year, I note that the election is 1 year and 1 month. Doesn't that fact make the issue even more to the forefront of the 2014 campaign? It's not just the exact timing of the end of the delay, but the notion that it is a current and relevant issue. That should be enough to make it even more of an issue during primaries, and certainly for the big election month of October 2014.

50 posted on 09/28/2013 3:42:59 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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