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Court bans circumcision over ‘psychological’ fears (Germany)
TheLocal.de ^ | 26 Sep 2013 09:00 CET | (The Local/jlb)

Posted on 09/25/2013 11:23:41 PM PDT by Olog-hai

A German court has forbidden a woman from having her six-year-old son circumcised because of a risk of psychological damage. The decision comes a year after a similar ruling sparked an international outcry.

In July 2012, a court in Cologne said religious circumcision of male infants was tantamount to grievous bodily harm, a criminal act subject to prosecution—prompting furor around the world. In response, German lawmakers were forced to clarify that circumcision was legal.

But now a court in Hamm in North Rhine-Westphalia has said a woman was unfit to decide whether doctors performed the religious rite on her six-year-old child because she had not taken into account the psychological harm it would cause him, newspaper the Westdeutsche Allgemeine newspaper reported. …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; circumcision; circumcisionban; eussr; germanantisemitism; germanyvsjews; typicalantisemitism

1 posted on 09/25/2013 11:23:41 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
... risk of psychological damage...

But removing children from their families because they are home-schooled results in no harm in Germany. Krout logic at its socialist best.

2 posted on 09/25/2013 11:38:40 PM PDT by DaveyB ("When injustice becomes the law; rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Olog-hai
I actually agree that parents should have no power to legally maim their children, whether it is religiously driven or not. This right belongs only to the person himself, once he is an adult and can make his own decision. He may even join a completely different religion, or none.
3 posted on 09/25/2013 11:43:04 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Greysard

Guess you don’t believe in the First Amendment then.


4 posted on 09/25/2013 11:50:01 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The first amendment says you can cut a babys parts off?

Um, no.


5 posted on 09/25/2013 11:50:55 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Was ist los? The foreskin is not the “baby’s parts”.

Read the free exercise clause.


6 posted on 09/25/2013 11:53:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

who’s parts is it?


7 posted on 09/25/2013 11:58:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Should a parent not be allowed to have a child’s tonsils or adenoids removed if they cause chronic discomfort? The preponderance of the medical evidence says that circumcision prevents infection and disease.

I’m sure it’s much better to leave judgement to the government and children. Who basically have the same understanding of the world as you do.


8 posted on 09/26/2013 12:14:28 AM PDT by mindburglar (Karl Rove will call Ted Cruz a "white hispanic".)
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To: mindburglar

Sorry. Meant for greysard.


9 posted on 09/26/2013 12:16:24 AM PDT by mindburglar (Karl Rove will call Ted Cruz a "white hispanic".)
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To: Olog-hai
Guess you don’t believe in the First Amendment then.

Would you have any objection to Satanists who want to sacrifice a child to their god?

OK, you say, killing a child is not allowed. But how about cutting him up just a little? This won't hurt much, they promise. Just one tablespoon of blood. Is that OK?

Before you go to the First Amendment you need to look at an earlier document that says something about "the pursuit of Happiness." I cannot understand how a child can pursue happiness by having a part of his body cut off forever, without him having any say in the matter. Or, perhaps, we are talking about the parents pursuing their happiness by cutting up their child? I usually use a different word to describe such people.

This practice actually creeps into adjacent areas of law. For example, it is now becoming legal for parents to perform sex change surgery on their children. Is that OK too? You see, if the parents can do A then they can do B and C and D... More than one case is known of people killing their own children by following their religious rituals, such as refusing medical help. But the wellbeing of the child should be, of course, the prime concern. Nothing drastic should be done to a child that is not medically required. When the child grows up he will be able to decide for himself what rituals he wants; that will be done willingly, and it will have religious meaning. You wouldn't like it, I guess, if your parents decided to tattoo the image of FSM on your chest when you were a child just because they happened to believe in FSM at that time? Would that make you a believer in FSM? Would you wear a colander?

10 posted on 09/26/2013 12:41:48 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: mindburglar
Should a parent not be allowed to have a child’s tonsils or adenoids removed if they cause chronic discomfort?

A discomfort is a medical case, and it should be discussed with the family doctor. The doctor then will explain what can be gained and what can be lost if the child is subjected to the surgery.

The preponderance of the medical evidence says that circumcision prevents infection and disease.

If the child has a medical problem of that kind, it should be dealt with in a medical way (see above.) If the child does not have a problem, leave him the $^*# alone. We don't cut up newborns to remove appendix, tonsils, or whatever else someone declares to be unnecessary. Most people live happily all their life with those organs - which, actually, have a purpose.

11 posted on 09/26/2013 12:50:38 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: Greysard

what then is the purpose of the foreskin? I mean besides trapping bacteria and viruses and smegma and causing various infections and occasionally strangling the penis and making it difficult to pee when you become elderly.


12 posted on 09/26/2013 3:01:14 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Greysard

Satanists killing their child? Cutting their child for blood? Sex change (sic) surgery? What do those have to do with circumcision?? Those are evil things.

Circumcision is not evil. It’s good.

And perhaps that’s why some people don’t like it.


13 posted on 09/26/2013 4:12:54 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Greysard

Comparing circumcision with child sacrifice? Really? Wonder what other types of people would do that . . .


14 posted on 09/26/2013 7:48:06 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL

God’s.


15 posted on 09/26/2013 7:49:10 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: mindburglar

“Should a parent not be allowed to have a child’s tonsils or adenoids removed if they cause chronic discomfort? “

No. That’s maiming the child. And not surgery either.


16 posted on 09/26/2013 7:49:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

Same with cases of appendicitis? Cholecystectomies?


17 posted on 09/26/2013 7:56:24 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: mindburglar

You have absolutely no idea what my “understanding of the world” is.


18 posted on 09/26/2013 8:34:09 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Sorry was meant for greysard.


19 posted on 09/26/2013 6:17:45 PM PDT by mindburglar (Karl Rove will call Ted Cruz a "white hispanic".)
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To: AppyPappy

No it isn’t and yes it is Dr.


20 posted on 09/26/2013 6:20:22 PM PDT by mindburglar (Karl Rove will call Ted Cruz a "white hispanic".)
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