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Pope Francis denounces abortion after decrying church's focus on rules
CBS ^ | September 20, 2013 | staff

Posted on 09/21/2013 1:15:50 PM PDT by icwhatudo

Pope Francis offered an olive branch of sorts to the doctrine-minded, conservative wing of the Catholic Church on Friday as he denounced abortions as a symptom of today's "throw-away culture" and encouraged Catholic doctors to refuse to perform them.

Francis issued a strong anti-abortion message and cited Vatican teaching on the need to defend the unborn during an audience with Catholic gynecologists.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; obamacare; pope; popefrancis; romancatholicism
Also big breaking news:

Pope retains German prelate who wages the Catholic church's crackdown on liberal U.S. nuns"

1 posted on 09/21/2013 1:15:50 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: icwhatudo

Abortion is evil, liberal nuns need to be reigned in.

So much for the change that libs were hoping for.


2 posted on 09/21/2013 1:16:48 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo

ditto for gayness...the Pope said we should not judge gay people and the libs are going crazy believing he’s going to say homosexuality is okay...

hate the sin, lover the sinner...sound familiar??


3 posted on 09/21/2013 1:29:36 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: icwhatudo

“...offered an olive branch of sorts to the doctrine-minded, conservative wing”? I find it rather scary that the media is not even trying to hide their contempt for life. HOW DO YOU KNOW Francis intended his comments as a symbol and not as a fact? You don’t. You’re still stuck on fake but accurate reportage, cBS.


4 posted on 09/21/2013 1:36:32 PM PDT by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: icwhatudo

I just love how CBS characterizes the affirming of Church dogma as an “Olive branch to Conservative Catholics.” (to paraphrase). What nonsense. Are they implying that the Pope doesn’t really take the teaching on abortion seriously but just keeps it on hand to pacify certain members of the Church?


5 posted on 09/21/2013 1:40:50 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: icwhatudo

I haven’t read all the Pope has said recently, but I get the impression he’s saying the Catholic Church should be approachable versus the MSM spin. But we’ll see, I wouldn’t be shocked if there was a sellout.


6 posted on 09/21/2013 1:54:11 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: icwhatudo

I’m afraid as far as abortion goes, like most other churches, money talks loudest.


7 posted on 09/21/2013 2:02:43 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Muzzie killing muzzie what's the downside and who am I to stop them ?)
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To: lastchance

Sadly, most American Catholics get their catechesis from the lib media. They, as well as CBS, fully believe that it is a democratic organization, not founded by Christ, based on biblical study and truth.

They think the pope would or could just legislate on things like he’s Ed Koch.

Forget non catholics. That’s a whole other entity.

Hate the sin love the sinner particularly on this issue is so well documented in the Church that this popes st just be shaking his head.

Catholic men all over this country will spend hours reading, standing in line and worshipping football every week but don’t have ten minutes a week for the catechism and their wives won’t take a moment so they depend on CBS and they’re all off on a tangent when the pope kind of expects them to know he’s not God. He cannot make something evil or not evil. There’s truth and the pope can’t change it.

He must be going ‘what is this?’


8 posted on 09/21/2013 2:06:20 PM PDT by stanne
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To: icwhatudo

Hey CBS: Booooo Hoooooo....!


9 posted on 09/21/2013 2:06:50 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Red Dog #1
He's saying the same thing Jesus said: that God's mercy is accessible to all people of good will.

Commies and other people who hate the Catholic church will torture whatever he says, and its translation, to suit their needs.

10 posted on 09/21/2013 2:09:44 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Amen brother!


11 posted on 09/21/2013 2:14:02 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: icwhatudo
I hate the cheap, shallow, cynical political language.

"In a sop to doctrinal reactionaries in Jerusalem, Jesus of Nazareth today voiced support for the so-called 'Ten' 'Commandments'. This is widely interpreted by faith experts as a compromise designed to quiet critics who say he has slid too far in his rhetoric about mercy and grace."

I'm rolling my eyes so far I can see the front of my brain.

Tagline.

12 posted on 09/21/2013 2:21:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17)
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To: icwhatudo
SeeBS is deeply saddened.
13 posted on 09/21/2013 2:34:18 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: icwhatudo

Probably not real nuns. Anyone can get a nun costume from Party City.


14 posted on 09/21/2013 2:37:22 PM PDT by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: icwhatudo

OK, Pope Franky, nice work so far. Now could we get a position on pedophile priests? Maybe you could throw the ones you’re shielding in the Fatican out so’s we can get to them.? Just baby steps of course-—not asking for anything severe or profound. Don’t hurt your back with anything that looks like heavy lifting.


15 posted on 09/21/2013 2:46:13 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: icwhatudo

And by the way——who the bleep is Pope Franky talking to/at with the “throw away culture” line of krap? I know he waved off the new red shoes but that hardly defines a life style throwing stuff away. Maybe he should give a PBS class on how to make gravy , pan licking, sock darning, chicken picking, sausage grinding, tire re-capping, britches patching, etc? Or does he think he’s got it covered by not throwing away live babies? I really get sick of that Popeish Preachy krap that’s not followed up with “do as I do.”


16 posted on 09/21/2013 2:55:37 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

Wut?


17 posted on 09/21/2013 2:58:05 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: icwhatudo

LOL! The lamestream media really hates it that the Pope now says abortion is wrong....

Attention, CBS morons: Your apparent attempt to disdain the church’s respect for life and godly marriage has failed.


18 posted on 09/21/2013 3:07:12 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: icwhatudo

What the dim bulbs don’t understand is that abortion is not a “rule.” It’s part of Church doctrine on not killing.

He just meant we shouldn’t expect people to give up sin first, before we even reach out to them, and that we have to call them with a positive message.

I don’t know why the libs were so thrilled yesterday, because if they had taken the time to actually read what he said, they would have understood immediately.


19 posted on 09/21/2013 3:33:15 PM PDT by livius
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To: icwhatudo

I’m very glad he clarified this because life is not a minor doctrinal issue.


20 posted on 09/21/2013 3:35:34 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: icwhatudo

I’m not Catholic but if you have a church, that follows the Bible’s teachings, then wouldnt it be sacrilegious to go against those teachings?
If you no longer believe in these religious teachings just because you want to modernize your church, are you still a religion?
Seems to me you are no longer a Catholic church if you sanctify sodomy and abortion


21 posted on 09/21/2013 3:46:17 PM PDT by lucky american (The Democrats will follow the big "D"even if it means going over a cliff.)
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To: icwhatudo

I read the interview the Pope gave. It is quite long and frankly is geared towards Catholics who understand the bureaucracy of the Church.

But IMHO, the MSM took him totally out of context (he basically said the most important thing is to show love, rather than get sidetracked) and I thought, ha, they are thrilled, they find a few words, haul them out of context, and think, they have an “enlightened” pope! Maybe he’ll even approve of gay marriage and divorce eventually!

It’s so sad, they don’t realize that’s how Christians are SUPPOSED to think, and many do. We are supposed to stand firm on doctrine, but our language and acts must be the Love of God.

I read a book about an atheist who passed for a Christian in a church for a year. She kept waiting for all the evil hate to come out, and it never did. She was convinced all the love talk was a dodge, but they just kept loving her. Libs believe their own propaganda. They think we hide at potlucks talking about taking over the world and hanging gays... sheesh.

“Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God, and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.... God is love.”


22 posted on 09/21/2013 3:58:42 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: lucky american
Seems to me you are no longer a Catholic church if you sanctify sodomy and abortion

That would be true, and it's clear that Pope Francis did neither.

23 posted on 09/21/2013 4:28:35 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: lastchance

Thats exactly the narrative they are trying to create


24 posted on 09/21/2013 4:30:22 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: icwhatudo

Apparently the media thinks that life and death is a “small rule”


25 posted on 09/21/2013 5:14:04 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: icwhatudo

Apparently the media thinks that life and death is a “small rule”


26 posted on 09/21/2013 5:14:45 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: icwhatudo
Thank you for posting this. I've linked to it on the other thread entitled “Pope Francis: Catholic Church must focus beyond “small-minded rules”

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3068846/posts?q=1&;page=279

27 posted on 09/21/2013 5:58:10 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: lastchance

Leftists believe that children and babies in particular are so repulsively disgusting that only the unusually weird would have any love for them. So they consider any sympathies for the unborn and newborn to be coming from a rare fringe. The left actually considers the child to be an STD. That is why leftists make up something like 99% of all child abusers and murderers.


28 posted on 09/21/2013 6:57:01 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: I still care
Ever see that movie "Paul". Don't....I saw 20 minutes of it and nearly puked then switched to a different channel. No comedy or cleverness whatsoever. Just atheist evangelism from start to finish, obvious dehumanization of Christians, glorifying the rape of impressionable young people, and absolutely no redeeming message whatsoever. There was no soul. The dimwitted director probably didn't realize how it made atheists look like extremely repulsive people...and they were supposed to be the "heroes" of the story.

These lunatics ACTUALLY believe that Christians are psychos...at the same time that atheists make every excuse for their own atrocious lifestyles.
29 posted on 09/21/2013 7:03:47 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: icwhatudo

The Pope “encouraged” Catholic doctors not to perfrom abortions. Does he live by the Ten Commandments or the Ten Encouragements?


30 posted on 09/21/2013 8:48:43 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: lastchance

It’s because liberal journalists live in their own bubble/echo chamber full of folks who all think and behave like them. They can’t believe that some might actually be pro-life because, well, they really do think it’s the murder of an innocent human person or that someone might believe marriage is something created by God and that man has no right to redefine something He has already define. They’re probably also used to playing politics and being two-faced to advance their careers. The idea of someone holding to objective moral truths is a foreign concept to them.


31 posted on 09/21/2013 8:51:27 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Exactly.


32 posted on 09/21/2013 9:29:08 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: icwhatudo

This is the problem I have with The Catholic Church....They say here “Vatican teaching”

What about the Bibles teaching????

If the Vatican was to announce that all of a sudden that gay marriage and abortion was ok now, that would not change the facts on how God sees this!

I get the impression that Catholics think that The Pope is somehow closer to God/Jesus than anybody else. This is totally false , he is simply a politician and does not have any rights ahead of you or I.

I am not even convinced that he is a Christian, am really not, and I am speaking about any Pope

I personally believe I may have a closer walk with the Lord than the Pope, and yes I am serious

Saw Father Jonathan on Fox News again this morning, only by chance flipping dials this morning.

Jonathan spoke of his gay sister again, read a letter from her I believe. At any rate he said his sister has not been comfortable with the Catholic Churches teaching on her lifestyle, and she is now encouraged.

Well forgive me Jonathan, what about the Bibles teaching, does that even matter to Catholics anymore?? Does the Pope trump the Bible for crying out loud???

Show me in the Bible were sin has ever been soft peddled in hopes people might be won over? Did it happen at Sodom?

Jesus was always loving but he also said go and sin no more, never did he soft peddle sin. Yes I am a simple sinner saved by Grace!

What about the children? You want to soften the message so as not to offend? Bible says in a couple spots, if anybody hurts one of these little ones, would be better with mill stone around neck or not to have been born at all.

Teaching kids that homosexuality is a option or telling them they might be gay and it`s OK to be gay?

Believing that one is gay, is believing the lies of the devil. Nobody was born gay

Oprah Winfrey like Joel Osteen because he wont say that her lifestyle is wrong. He is NOT helping her, Oprah can NOT have a saving relationship with Christ while she denies her sin

The Pope and Joel Osteen are really sending same message, and its a false message.

Maybe The Pope and Joel will release a statement together? Perhaps it will read like this....Joel and I believe that God has changed his mind on a whole slue of issues, we now believe that you can now be saved without forgiveness of sins??

Is that what is next...actually the Pope said last week that non believers can go to heaven


33 posted on 09/22/2013 7:58:54 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: VerySadAmerican

He did more than “encourage” if you read his words. He told them not to participate in these things. This, by the way, was a medical association and most of the doctors were already on his side so he probably did need to encourage (strengthen) them rather than tell them something for the first time.


34 posted on 09/22/2013 8:04:50 AM PDT by livius
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To: I still care

And Jesus in his love said, go and sin no more!

This idea that we can win people over by not mentioning our sins, is pretty ridiculous. Jesus never did that


35 posted on 09/22/2013 8:55:10 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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