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Strategy by Sens. Cruz, Lee to starve ‘Obamacare’ of money infuriates some fellow Republicans [lefti
Washington Post ^ | Sept 20, 2013 | AP

Posted on 09/21/2013 11:44:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

WASHINGTON — Ted Cruz and Mike Lee stand as the Senate’s dynamic duo for conservatives, crusading against President Barack Obama’s health care law while infuriating many congressional Republicans with a tactic they consider futile, self-serving and detrimental to the party’s political hopes in 2014.

Cruz, the Texan who’s been anything but a wait-your-turn freshman, and Lee, the tea party-backed giant slayer from Utah’s 2010 election, spent months this summer pressuring Republicans to link any stopgap spending bill to keep the government running with permanently starving President Barack Obama’s health overhaul of money.

The two former Supreme Court clerks are determined to reverse what the conservative court of Chief Justice John Roberts upheld in 2012 — Obama’s signature domestic law.

The senators scored a win Friday when the Republican-led House, pushed by rambunctious rank-and-file members, passed a spending measure that would unravel the law. But the approach faces near-certain defeat in the Democratic-controlled Senate, where lawmakers in both parties complain that Cruz and Lee have pushed a losing cause.

In the meantime, their strategy has roiled many in the GOP, with plenty of public and private carping. House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, subtly challenged Cruz and Lee to back up their words next week.

“I expect my Senate colleagues to be up for the battle,” Boehner said.

Several Republicans complain that the tactic could lead to a government shutdown on Oct. 1, the start of the new budget year, that would undercut the GOP politically...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; defund; gope; grassroots; housestrategy; lee; mikelee; obama; obamacare; reid; teaparty; teapartyrebellion; tedcruz
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Wrong, wrong, wrong on all counts. Reid's senate will never go along with Republicans. That's a given. But the senate doesn't even matter on this one, nor does Obama. The strategy is to have the Republican controlled House NOT fund Obamacare under any circumstances whatsoever.

They must reject whatever the senate sends back to them that enables Obamacare to go forward. Then they should begin passing bills to fund the legitimate and essential departments of government, one at a time. If Reid and Obama block each one, you just continue with the next one. Let Obama/Reid say hell no we will not fund the military. Or whichever department the house chooses to fund next. Keep rejecting the senate's obnoxious attempts to amend the bills. The people will understand who the villains really are.

But at the same time, remind the people over and over again that Obama/Reid cannot unilaterally block military pay, or social security checks, or medicare payments, or funding for the post office, or the courts, or the air traffic controllers or any other "essential" government service. If Obama/Reid carry through with THEIR threats to shutdown the government, the main thing that will happen are a whole bunch of federal employees will get laid off. Big deal.

The Republican House controls the purse strings per the constitution. Draw them up taut!!

Let Obama/Reid howl like the petulant spoiled children they are.

If the House Republicans hold the line they will be heroes to the American people and the Republicans will be swept into office in landslide victories in 2014.

If they listen to Tokyo Rove and the GOP-e statists and cave, they fail. If they go ahead and fund Obamacare after the majority of the people have told them not to, then I sure as hell would not expect them to be re-elected.

1 posted on 09/21/2013 11:44:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Hell, I wouldn’t be infuriated if they threatened to starve Obama personally.


2 posted on 09/21/2013 11:46:38 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Every time RINOs get infuriated I get a tingle up both legs.


3 posted on 09/21/2013 11:49:04 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Jim Robinson
Several Republicans complain that the tactic could lead to a government shutdown on Oct. 1...

Complain? Most real Republicans will cheer. These cowards need to get a clue. Only Democrat moochers get upset by a government shutdown when their snouts hit the dry bottom of the public trough. Shut the stinking thing DOWN.

4 posted on 09/21/2013 11:52:11 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx; RedMDer
I give this strategy a Ted Cruz thumbs up and Sarah Palin pat on the back!


5 posted on 09/21/2013 11:55:41 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Jim Robinson

The House must not fund obamacare for any reason. It doesn’t matter what the Senate sends back.

We can’t afford the dollar cost, it’s a lousy plan that doesn’t work, it gets the government between doctor and patient, it makes employees of our doctors, it gets the government’s nose into your most personal issues, and it’s final result is the government running your health care just like the commies ran the health care of the Russians for decades, pushing the late middle aged to early death, so there’d be little elderly population to support.

In short, it is of the Devil, himself.

So called GOPers like Rove, Hume, McCain, Corker, Alexander speak in the democratic talking points. Whenever you hear “shutting the government down”, then know that they are lying.

The Tea Party wants to FUND the government. Their bill funds the government. They don’t want to shut down the government. They want to get rid of a program that America hates — ObamaCare.


6 posted on 09/21/2013 11:56:20 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Still Thinking; jimrob

“Hell, I wouldn’t be infuriated if they threatened to starve Obama personally.”

Owebama is already on a diet and losing quite a bit of weight.

Rather simple diet too. Every day Putin eats his lunch!


7 posted on 09/21/2013 11:58:33 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Jim Robinson

Good points all.


8 posted on 09/21/2013 11:59:27 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Strategy by Sens. Cruz, Lee to starve ‘Obamacare’ of money infuriates some fellow Republicans

They are NOT REPUBLICANS. They are Marxists in every respect. The Constitution is meaningless to them and their primary desire to get re-elected. We the "People" are only a messy distraction. Any congress critter who departs from the Constitution should be summarily dropped from their position for failure to observe their oath. PERIOD!!!!

9 posted on 09/21/2013 11:59:45 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Jim Robinson
The strategy is to have the Republican controlled House NOT fund Obamacare

Exactly why Americans in the 2010 midterms voted to give control of the House (and the purse strings) to the TEA Party candidates.

10 posted on 09/21/2013 12:04:12 PM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: max americana

I mean really, is anyone with half a brain listening to the Washington Post these days? Last week, we heard the Obamabots in the media and Democrat Party, aided by RINO traitors, tell us five hundred different plots of what was going to happen in the House!!! They were all wrong!!!

Just remember, media Obamabots....these numbers. 230-189, a slaughter, including two wise Democrats that voted with the Pubbies!!! Beating on Cruz and Lee, etc. ain’t gonna sway them one iota. Get it.....dudes and dames of the media....they don’t not give a damn what you either think or say!!! Unlike POTUS Obama, they are for the American people, their children and the American Republic...period!!!

And....so, good American folk that want your country back from Socialist, America Hater, Obama, and his cesspool Democrat, Obamabots, get on the internet to: WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM & then sign/endorse the Lee/Cruz defund Obamacare petiton...NOW!! Join the millions of loyal Americans that have already signed and endorsed it!!! THANK YOU!!!

Once again!!! (WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM)


11 posted on 09/21/2013 12:04:18 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Strategy by Sens. Cruz, Lee to starve ‘Obamacare’ of money infuriates some fellow Republicans

Oh, it's just corker and alexander whinging again. Ignore them and they'll go away.

12 posted on 09/21/2013 12:04:33 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen Jim!


13 posted on 09/21/2013 12:04:41 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Jim Robinson

I believe the Cruz/Lee plan is working! I was listening to the Larry Kudlow radio program this morning, and what a difference from last week! A week ago the RINOs on his show could not have been more negative towards the Defund effort. This week they were actually admitting the brilliance of the Defund move! Because of what the House has done, Obama and the Democrats are being forced to talk about Obamacare, the one issue they most wish would just disappear. Now the Republicans have to stand strong-—no cloture until every last Democrat is FORCED to vote for Obamacare again.

Fascinating times we live in!


14 posted on 09/21/2013 12:04:57 PM PDT by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: Jim Robinson

We need a list of names containing every single republican Senator that votes for cloture and then we work to primary those that are running in 2014 and to alienate and castigate those that will face the reaper in 2016. No more compromise with evil and communism.


15 posted on 09/21/2013 12:06:41 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Exactly correcto...we must keep up the pressure. I see this as a big win...and the senate Rs, half are scum, are forced to take a stand. Might get lucky and force some kind of vote.
The house is the key tho!


16 posted on 09/21/2013 12:07:29 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: xzins

Amen. And if they hold the line, they cannot fail. Obama/Reid can howl until the cows come home. Life will go on and we’ll make some big corrections in 2014/2016.

If they cave and fund obamacare, then they’ve consented to the final destruction of the constitution and the end of individual liberty in America. Obamcare going forward effectively sets the precedent that there are no constitutional limits on government and that there is no constitutional privacy or security, no choice of free enterprise, no freedom. The government can force you to do whatever they wish, whenever they wish. And spy on you to ensure you don’t resist.


17 posted on 09/21/2013 12:07:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Lancey Howard
Several Republicans complain that the tactic could lead to a government shutdown on Oct. 1...

My guesses are (a) that there will be "shutdown" and (b) that few aside from "non-essential" Federal employees will notice, despite yells and screams from the "legitimate media."

Apparently, Social Security and other routine benefit payments will continue normally although new benefit applications will be delayed. Aircraft will continue to fly, trains and buses will continue to do what they usually do and the Congress will continue to do what it does best, i.e., very little.

18 posted on 09/21/2013 12:08:06 PM PDT by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: Jim Robinson

Sounds like some self-entitled progressives are having a snit-fit if not a thinly veiled full blown conniption-fit.


19 posted on 09/21/2013 12:08:49 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: LibLieSlayer
We need a list of names containing every single republican Senator that votes for cloture and then we work to primary those that are running in 2014 and to alienate and castigate those that will face the reaper in 2016. No more compromise with evil and communism.

Agree. We need a visible (sidebar or heading) thread where the Name and Shame Hall of Fame can be seen by all.

I believe this is what got Boehner - and other RINO's - to change their mind...they were publicly named (and shamed) by various conservative groups, for playing tricks with the 0Care Defunding.

20 posted on 09/21/2013 12:12:29 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: KC_Lion

Love that!!


21 posted on 09/21/2013 12:12:52 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Still Thinking
"Hell, I wouldn’t be infuriated if they threatened to starve Obama personally."

Don't forget his sidekick Boehner. He's almost as bad.

22 posted on 09/21/2013 12:13:04 PM PDT by matthew fuller
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

And still no cave after the senate amends the bill and sends it back to the house. That’s the real strategy. The house must reject whatever the senate sends back that enables obamacare to go forward. Then they must send “clean” funding bills to fund each essential department, one by one. And reject what the senate sends back if they amend it. Do this all they way to 2014 if necessary. Hold the line! Defund obamacare!

Obama/Reid can try, but they cannot shutdown the essential government services. The government will go on, just cost less. Possibly a whole lot less.


23 posted on 09/21/2013 12:13:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The piecemeal fallback strategy is a good one. But perhaps Obama could also fund his healthcare takeover by selling more debt indirectly or directly to the Federal Reserve. Thus, the debt ceiling battle is also critical.


24 posted on 09/21/2013 12:13:57 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

On the bottom of the dontfundobamacare petition there is a list of all of the Republcian US Senators, with phone numbers and categorized as “will pledge” , “won’t pledge” or it’s blank if they haven’t said anything yet. What they need is a few million calls and emails.


25 posted on 09/21/2013 12:13:58 PM PDT by grania
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Do I sense a full-court press by all the MSM to pressure Republicans into distancing themselves from Cruz and caving in the Senate?

Since when has the WaPo had the interests of Republicans at heart? Why should Republicans care about anything that they have to say?

Macaca!

-PJ

26 posted on 09/21/2013 12:15:38 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Let these cowards know how ya feel!

http://www.nrsc.org/contact-us/


27 posted on 09/21/2013 12:17:14 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Jim Robinson
The Compost trying to give the Rove group more power than it has to mislead squishy RINO's.

Hold fast GOP, so far you're doing the right thing. Don't buckle, force the dems to defend an unpopular and destructive health care debacle. Make sure to remind everyone that it's the dems who would shut down the government over a law that will ruin our healthcare system and the economy plus ruin the future of our kids and grandkids.

28 posted on 09/21/2013 12:17:31 PM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Hostage

I suspect Boehner/Ryan will cave on the debt ceiling non-fight like they did in the past. Sadly, they do not have the skills (or the balls) necessary to win the debate.


29 posted on 09/21/2013 12:18:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

David Brooks is right.

We have 45 in the House and 4-5 Senators.

Time to split. Gotta start somewhere. Declare a Liberty Party, raise the flag in time to contest all 435 seats in 2014, and let’s have at it.


30 posted on 09/21/2013 12:19:09 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Obamcare going forward effectively sets the precedent that there are no constitutional limits on government and that there is no constitutional privacy or security, no choice of free enterprise, no freedom. The government can force you to do whatever they wish, whenever they wish. And spy on you to ensure you don’t resist.

Amen, Jim.

It is the initial shot in the final communist takeover of America.

31 posted on 09/21/2013 12:19:57 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Signed.


32 posted on 09/21/2013 12:21:26 PM PDT by matthew fuller
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To: Jim Noble

FUDB! Statists are never right!

We have not yet begun to fight!


33 posted on 09/21/2013 12:22:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
infuriates some fellow Republicans

The fact that it infuriates them rather than inspires them to openly ally with the Democrats shows that they know a large part of the Republican electorate is against them. If this was 2014 and it was too late to primary them out they might try to run this through over Cruz, but they know the RINO hold over the party exists only because of the "...would you rather vote for a Democrat?" threat. They can't pull that this year because there will be primary threats.

34 posted on 09/21/2013 12:23:17 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Why is our military going to be used as Al Qaeda's air force in Syria?)
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To: LibLieSlayer

See post 11 and go to that site for a list of candidates.


35 posted on 09/21/2013 12:23:52 PM PDT by matthew fuller
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To: Jim Noble

Brooks is the enemy.


36 posted on 09/21/2013 12:30:04 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: Jim Robinson

I like the strategy, but I think they need to be prepared to go to the mattresses. That means smashing the debt ceiling. I don’t think either side really much cares if the government gets shut down for awhile. But their bankster cronies do care about getting paid.

If the debt ceiling is smashed, that’ll put dear leader in the position of having to decide who gets paid. It’s a safe bet that the banksters will get their interest payments. It’s also a safe bet that Federal employees and the military won’t get paid. Where it gets interesting is when he gets to decide if the social security recipients get paid or not or if the ghetto rats get their EBT cards plussed up or not.

You see, the other side counts on us always backing down and rolling over in time to do the “right thing.” I.e. to make sure the bills are paid. It’s time for the other side to worry about doing the “right thing” for once.

In the mean time, the other side needs to truly perceive us as lunatics who are willing to not only cross the line but giggle madly while we do it.


37 posted on 09/21/2013 12:34:49 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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“In short, it is of the Devil, himself.”

Oh it’s even worse than that. Don’t worry about deathcare if the gop caves. Worry about a lot of mightily pi$$ed off conservatives deciding that they not only don’t have a voice in DC, but that they shouldn’t waste any more time with it at all.

That doesn’t sound that bad. Until you consider that they will take this to the states, and national divorce will be the next strategy.

The seceshers are waiting in the wings for the gop to capitulate.


38 posted on 09/21/2013 12:40:26 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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“I believe the Cruz/Lee plan is working!”

Indeed it is. And in ways that will surprise us. Just a small example from this morning: for the first time I saw someone on a freeway overpass with “IMPEACH OBAMA” signs.

Courage begets courage.


39 posted on 09/21/2013 12:42:39 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Well, I hope so too, but you know they (Boehner/Ryan et al) caved easily in the last debt ceiling pillow fight. Hope they’ve boned up for the fight this time.


40 posted on 09/21/2013 12:43:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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Federal employees and the military won’t get paid. Where it gets interesting is when he gets to decide if the social security recipients get paid or not or if the ghetto rats get their EBT cards plussed up or not

There are precedents and rules. There are very few consequences to a "government shutdown."

-Fed employees aren't paid, but have always been paid retroactively.
-Military gets paid.
-Contractors aren't paid.
-SSI payments get paid, although the SSA staff might get cut, and payments delayed at some point.
-Medicare is paid.
-National parks closed.
-Air traffic controllers are paid, and airports stay open.
That's about it. A government shutdown is a good thing. In fact, it can work to our advantage, since the media hysteria will be exposed for what it is.

41 posted on 09/21/2013 12:43:45 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Jim Robinson
The two former Supreme Court clerks

I didn't know that Ted Cruz and Mike Lee carried those credentials.

Retired Chief Justice William Rehnquist was once also a Supreme Court clerk and later wrote a book titled "The Supreme Court" that is fascinating reading in that it brilliantly covers Supreme Court history from the begining of our nation.

Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Sarah Palin types are our nation's best hope for the survival of our Constitution and nation.

42 posted on 09/21/2013 12:44:35 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Jim Robinson

43 posted on 09/21/2013 12:45:11 PM PDT by Ron H.
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...infuriating many congressional Republicans with a tactic they consider futile, self-serving and detrimental to the party’s political hopes in 2014.

If this isn't BS, it's BS (imho).

44 posted on 09/21/2013 12:46:14 PM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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The Tea Party wants to FUND the government.

Yeah, not so sure about that.

If they were to follow the Robinson Doctrine, and fund departments piecemeal...when the Senate sent back an amended bill for a certain department, the Republicans could simply table it and send over the next one...for a different department.

It looks like a novel way to kill off a few hated departments...like "Labor" and "Education"...right off the top.

45 posted on 09/21/2013 12:46:52 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering FREAKS!)
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“My guesses are (a) that there will be “shutdown” and (b) that few aside from “non-essential” Federal employees will notice, despite yells and screams from the “legitimate media.”

You are correct. And that’s why we need to start talking about the debt ceiling. Unless the debt ceiling is raised, the government will not be able to increase borrowing. That means that roughly half of spending would get to stop. Butt cold. And the best part is that dear leader would have to decide who gets paid and who does not. Will he fund interest payments or social security, the military or EBT cards?

The debt ceiling will be reached in late October, early November.


46 posted on 09/21/2013 12:47:27 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“There are precedents and rules. There are very few consequences to a “government shutdown.”

I’m not talking about the continuing resolution. I’m talking about the debt ceiling. If that is not raised in late October, early November, then the government cannot borrow any more. It has to pay out of receipts. Which are a little more than half of expenditures.

Think of it like a clipping dear leaders credit card.


47 posted on 09/21/2013 12:50:55 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Jim Noble
Declare a Liberty Party, raise the flag in time to contest all 435 seats in 2014, and let’s have at it.

Yeah, can you get back to us with that afterwards...let us know how it turned out.

48 posted on 09/21/2013 12:51:17 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering FREAKS!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Great plan that has Stinky Harry over a barrel.
Stick with it Boehner! Its a winner.


49 posted on 09/21/2013 12:56:47 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Amen. And there’s a long list of federal departments, agencies and programs that can stand defunding. If the people feel any of them are really and truly needed, the individual states can take them up (per the US Constitution). The feds have no constitutional authority in labor, commerce, transportation, energy, health, education, welfare, housing, banking, insurance, free enterprise, free markets, etc, etc, etc. Again per the US Constitution, that’s all reserved to the states and the people.


50 posted on 09/21/2013 12:57:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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