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Air force pilots' [RAF and RCAF] remains recovered in Ontario lake 72 years after plane crash
TORONTO SUN ^ | September 13, 2013 | QMI AGENCY

Posted on 09/15/2013 6:53:27 AM PDT by rickmichaels

The remains of two air force pilots missing nearly 72 years since their plane crashed in a cottage country lake north of Toronto have been recovered.

British Royal Air Force Flight Lt. Peter Campbell, 24, and Royal Canadian Air Force Leading Aircraftsman Theodore "Ted" Bates, 27, were recovered in Lake Muskoka in October 2012. Officials said they didn't reveal the recovery operation until Friday as they didn't want the wreckage to be disturbed and wanted to make arrangements for the plane.

"This particular dive operation will certainly stay with the team forever," Lt. Greg Oickle, the acting commanding officer of the Atlantic fleet diving unit, said in a statement.

"The team is proud to have been part of this homage to their military predecessors," Oickle said.

The Nomad 3521 aircraft crashed Dec. 13, 1940, after it hit another aircraft, the Nomad 3512, while both planes were searching for an airman who'd gone missing during training the day before.

The pilot and co-pilot of 3512 were located, but the other pilots, Campbell and Bates, from Guelph, Ont., in 3521 were never found.

The Royal Canadian Navy's fleet diving unit and Ontario Provincial Police's underwater team helped find the wreckage, remains, and the aircraft's three .30-calibre machine guns, after Muskoka residents raised awareness about the missing plane.

The airmen will be laid to rest in Guelph Tuesday.

"This recovery will provide closure to the families of Flight Lt. Campbell and Leading Aircraftsman Bates, as well as reassure them that the ultimate sacrifice made by their loved ones will never be forgotten," Defence Minister Rob Nicholson said in a statement.



TOPICS: Canada; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: canada; lakemuskoka; nomad3521; ontario; petercampbell; raf; rcaf; theodorebates; theodoretedbates; unitedkingdom; worldwareleven

1 posted on 09/15/2013 6:53:27 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels
Officials said they didn't reveal the recovery ... as they .... wanted to make arrangements for the plane.

and the aircraft's three .30-calibre machine guns, after Muskoka residents raised awareness about the missing plane.

Why do I get the feeling that this was more about recovering the weapons than it was about recovering the airmen?

2 posted on 09/15/2013 6:57:54 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: rickmichaels

RIP from the USofA and the son of a WW2 vet.

“Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth ...” - John Gillespie Magee, Jr.


3 posted on 09/15/2013 7:00:36 AM PDT by SES1066 (To expect courteous government is insanity!)
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To: BenLurkin
Why do I get the feeling that this was more about recovering the weapons than it was about recovering the airmen?

After 70 years at the bottom of a lake, I doubt those .30 cal guns are operable or even recognizable to the average person.

RIP to those young airmen.

4 posted on 09/15/2013 7:06:21 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: BenLurkin

I think you nailed it.


5 posted on 09/15/2013 7:27:29 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Ditto
After 70 years at the bottom of a lake, I doubt those .30 cal guns are operable or even recognizable to the average person.

Some of the stuff they discover in lakes and bogs in Europe will clean up and be not only well-preserved, but fully functional without too much effort. Governments - ours not excepted - generally get quite hysterical about newly-discovered a/c armament and take it into immediate state custody. As the years pass, some entities have become more amenable to preservation than scrapping; occasionally, they allow a bit more. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjLpqWFFEo )

Mr. niteowl77

6 posted on 09/15/2013 7:31:44 AM PDT by niteowl77 ("There's nothing a vulture hates more than biting into a glass eye.")
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To: rickmichaels
Northrop A-17 / Nomad
7 posted on 09/15/2013 7:36:44 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: SES1066

My Father,whose name is Otto, tried to join the RCAF in the early part of the War. As He had a Hernia, He was Disqualified, but was operated on by my Uncle, who was a renowned Surgeon in Canada. Both of my other Uncles served in the RCAF. One was a Pharmacist, and the other, an Instrument Maker.
My Mother, Evelyn, worked for the British Army, in Detroit.


8 posted on 09/15/2013 7:38:59 AM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: gigster
My step-dad couldn't wait for the US’s entry into WW II, so he went across at Detroit/Windsor and joined the RCAF. He had some airplane experience in the 1930s and served as a training instructor.
9 posted on 09/15/2013 7:49:40 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: rickmichaels
Canada entered WWII before we did and,I've read,more than a few Americans joined the Canadian and British Armed Forces before *we* entered the war.You've gotta give those guys a lot of credit...more credit than FDR deserves.His hesitation certainly prolonged the war and resulted in thousands,if not millions,of unnecessary deaths..military *and* civilian deaths.
10 posted on 09/15/2013 8:25:43 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: All

A more detailed article here -

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2013/09/13/remains-of-northrop-nomad-aircrew-removed-from-1940-crash-site-in-lake-muskoka-air-men-to-be-laid-to-rest-sept-17/

The funeral is in two days time...


11 posted on 09/15/2013 8:34:25 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: rickmichaels; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

12 posted on 09/15/2013 12:18:08 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: BenLurkin

Since it’s Canada I would have to agree with you .


13 posted on 09/15/2013 4:13:30 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: rickmichaels

RIP.


14 posted on 09/15/2013 5:54:48 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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