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U.S. Won’t Insist U.N. Resolution Threaten Force on Syria, Officials Say
NYTimes ^

Posted on 09/13/2013 2:58:28 PM PDT by sunmars

WASHINGTON — President Obama will not insist on a United Nations resolution threatening to use force to ensure that Syria lives up to its commitment to turn over chemical weapons, but will seek other tangible consequences for Syria if it does not comply, senior administration officials said Friday.

Although Mr. Obama reserves the right to order a punitive military strike on his own without United Nations backing if Syria reneges, the officials said he understood that Russia, because of its veto power in the Security Council, would never allow a resolution that authorized such a use of force.

France, which has been America’s strongest ally in the push to punish Syria for an Aug. 21 chemical weapons attack on civilians, this week proposed that a Security Council resolution invoke Chapter 7, a clause that allows United Nations members to use military action to enforce its provisions. Mr. Obama essentially is conceding that he cannot overcome Russian opposition, but he believes that a resolution must have teeth in it, and he will not agree to Syria’s demand that he renounce force altogether.

Instead, the officials said, the Obama administration will seek a Security Council resolution that builds in other measures to enforce a deal with the government of President Bashar al-Assad, possibly including sanctions or other penalties. The administration will give negotiations now under way with the Russians a couple of weeks to see if they have any traction.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: ambassadorstephens; assad; benghazi; distraction; itshistory; obama; obamasyriaattack; obamasyriacavein; putinsyriacheckmate; russia; syria; un; wordsfail
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A Presidency that has lost all authority and damaged beyond repair while he occupies that office.

All credibility is now in flushed down the pan.

1 posted on 09/13/2013 2:58:28 PM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars
U.S. Won’t Insist U.N. Resolution Threaten Force on Syria, Officials Say

Russia and China have shoved the Security Council veto stamp so far up Obama's rear that he can read it when he blinks.

2 posted on 09/13/2013 3:04:09 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: sunmars
Assad is now giving Bathhouse Barry orders.

Rather than a change I could believe in, this is the change I was afraid of.

3 posted on 09/13/2013 3:04:47 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: sunmars

True, he’s just a laughingstock now. We used to have a great country. Now? Not so much.


4 posted on 09/13/2013 3:05:05 PM PDT by refermech
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To: Navy Patriot

I have never seen a President so weak and on his knees as i ever have as this guy, its just jawdropping, the humiliation is complete...Putin orders it, Obama complies.


5 posted on 09/13/2013 3:06:14 PM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Syria: ‘Assad must go!’ said Obama. But Putin has carved him down to size, and soon it will be ‘Assad must stay’

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/charlescrawford/100235857/syria-assad-must-go-said-obama-but-putin-has-carved-him-down-to-size-and-soon-it-will-be-assad-must-stay/#disqus_thread


6 posted on 09/13/2013 3:08:07 PM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Obama must go.


7 posted on 09/13/2013 3:11:05 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: sunmars

This just gets gooder and gooder lol


8 posted on 09/13/2013 3:13:19 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: sunmars

So much for the humanitarian crisis argument that Obama tried to make to justify immediate action against Syria.

He has lost any shread of credibility he may have unjustifiably had in the world. Epic fail.


9 posted on 09/13/2013 3:18:08 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: sunmars

The community organizer with the missing college transcript got whipped by a KGB professional. Barry is clueless.


10 posted on 09/13/2013 3:20:13 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: refermech

True, he’s just a laughingstock now.

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Even the liberal comedians on the late night shows are now laughing at him. He’s a joke.


11 posted on 09/13/2013 3:20:34 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: sunmars
Putin is an authoritarian strongman of course, however the actions he takes benefit traditional Russian nationalists, traditional Russian Christians and traditional Russian families including children, as well as himself.

On the other hand, Obama's actions do not benefit traditional American nationalists, traditional American Christians and traditional American families including children. In fact, these groups suffer significantly while morally degenerate groups prosper.

Putin does his job and Obama fails in his.

12 posted on 09/13/2013 3:21:37 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot

its basically a complete surrender of foreign policy to the Russians and the Syrians, how can you botch foreign policy up worse than Carter...how is that even possible.


13 posted on 09/13/2013 3:23:52 PM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Incredible. Hard to believe what I am reading. Words fail me for the moment.


14 posted on 09/13/2013 3:26:00 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: mojito

“Rather than a change I could believe in, this is the change I was afraid of.”

Posting Hall of Fame.


15 posted on 09/13/2013 3:26:32 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: sunmars

My take is different. Why care so much about whether the UN resolution discusses force one way or the other when “I can do bad all by myself?”


16 posted on 09/13/2013 3:28:35 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: sunmars
Obama is beyond hopeless, and Putin's influence in the middle east scares me to death.

Quite a few have been touting Putin, but he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

17 posted on 09/13/2013 3:33:04 PM PDT by mware
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To: mware

Its obvious now we’ve lost the middle east in the space of a couple of years thanks to Obama....all that work done for 40 years in building it up all undone in the space of 5 years.


18 posted on 09/13/2013 3:34:26 PM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars
...how is that even possible.

America and much of the west is operating in a world where 1984 has come to pass. We have Newspeak, Newthink, Crimethink, Revisionist History, noble and flawless minorities animals, trees and rocks, permanent ancestor guilty Whites.

The triumph of the absolute and total lie.

Bizarro World, Evil becomes good and good is destroyed permanently.

Here, it's easy.

19 posted on 09/13/2013 3:43:57 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: sunmars

obama was almost on his knees to the Saudi king. All of obama’s supporters wish they could be on their knees in front of him.

All of this plays right into his plans to destroy this nation. He and a powerful group that pulls his strings. And by the way, that same group pulls a lot of other strings, too. Boner, Graham, the Bushes, the Clintons and McCain to name a few.


20 posted on 09/13/2013 3:59:23 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: sunmars

You know the old saying ... “If you can’t run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.”

Forget about staying on the porch, Obama needs to stay in his kennel in the basement. Even the dogs on the porch would have him on his back exposing his throat in submission.


21 posted on 09/13/2013 4:14:23 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: sunmars

Wow. Obama just made the Syria Republican warmongers look foolish for siding with him.


22 posted on 09/13/2013 4:15:23 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: sunmars
This must be part of Obama's '7-dimensional Chess' strategy that mere mortals like us simply cannot understand.

What President Obama is doing in the Middle East is a "masterstroke of genius". By meekly threatening war -- and without the support of his nation, the government, the world, and especially the bloody tyrants he's meekly threatening -- he's keeping America out of war.

I read all about it on liberal blogs everywhere. And dudes, they *know*.

23 posted on 09/13/2013 4:24:17 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: sunmars
A Presidency that has lost all authority and damaged beyond repair while he occupies that office.

The damage will last far past the time Obama leaves office.

Even if the next election delivered us the second coming of Ronald Reagan, the world would never forget that American promises and principles can only be counted on until the next election.

There was a time when it would be inconceivable that America would blatantly sell out its allies and embrace its enemies, because with all our flaws, out nation stood for something.

Those days are gone for generations into the future now. It isn't only America's financial credit rating that took a hit under Obama.

24 posted on 09/13/2013 4:25:54 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: sunmars

He’s quite used to being on his knees.


25 posted on 09/13/2013 4:38:12 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Henry Hnyellar

I am so so so sad for my country


26 posted on 09/13/2013 4:39:59 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: sunmars

Nothing like OJT, but I think Putin should also charge a consulting fee.


27 posted on 09/13/2013 4:42:10 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: sunmars

Putin manipulates the requirements/resolution that All of Syria’s WMD must be put under UN control. This done, he turns the tables on Obama and the USA by getting UN action on USA WMD(we have 3x known the amount Syria has) that our WMD must also be put under UN control. What is good for the goose is good to go for the gander. This results in a standoff and nothing changes in Syria as far as the the UN is involved. Russia still stands behind Syria. I continue to believe that the bottom line cause for the confrontations is that Saudis with some other gulf nations along with France and other European nations along with USA banking interests want a gas pipeline across Syria to compete with the current Russian supply. There is very much money involved with this gas&gold situation. Russia from historical experience is no lap dog for the European bankers. Wars, big wars, have been started over seemingly less incidents/situations.


28 posted on 09/13/2013 4:45:06 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: refermech

YUP! Our White House is no longer open for tours, our economy has been squandered, our presidential air fleet has been worn out and our uninformed and useless are power sucking all the govmint teats. The drain is picking up speed with white water ahead.


29 posted on 09/13/2013 4:46:32 PM PDT by mcshot (The takers exceed the makers and we're going down.)
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To: noinfringers2

What does Israel think about all of this


30 posted on 09/13/2013 4:49:04 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: silentknight

If Putin’s strategy is in fact to get all nation’s WMD exposed and under UN control I would guess Israel ,which most certainly has the means, would be in the mix. This might well be another hangup that Syria and Russia want.


31 posted on 09/13/2013 5:07:39 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Navy Patriot
I have a tolerance for Putin speak, but I'm not blind to his manipulations. While it is funny to watch him handle Obama like a master handles his violin, this is a dangerous game we are playing.

Obama is owned! He's a nine year old child that has been put in his place.

No matter what happens, the White House deserves credit. Oh my gosh, is that third grade speak or what? The nine year old dictates, and the world passes him by.

We need our own strong man in short order, because it is becoming very evident we are wide fricken open right now.

Is it funny to watch Obama humiliated? Yes. Is it good to know the U. S. is being humiliated along with him? No. It is not good at all. And yet..., it most certainly is.

32 posted on 09/13/2013 5:39:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: sunmars

Bests case scenario, Obama decides to go on Vacation until 2016.


33 posted on 09/13/2013 5:49:43 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Lou Budvis

Olympus has fallen.


34 posted on 09/13/2013 6:08:32 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: mojito
Rather than a change I could believe in, this is the change I was afraid of.


35 posted on 09/13/2013 6:29:10 PM PDT by henbane
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To: sunmars

Doubling down on stupid. Assad must be laughing his butt off right now.


36 posted on 09/13/2013 7:37:51 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The failed community organizer with the missing college transcript

There, fixed it. As with everything else he touches, he failed at community organizing too.

37 posted on 09/13/2013 7:46:13 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: DoughtyOne

I agree 100%. America is the one getting screwed here - not Obama.


38 posted on 09/13/2013 7:49:53 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: rrrod

This just gets gooder and gooder lol


Yep, this guy is going to end up in a bad way.


39 posted on 09/13/2013 7:59:47 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Hoodat

Thanks Hoodat. I hear ya...


40 posted on 09/13/2013 8:08:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: sunmars

There is no good side to the Syrian conflict anywhere you look. Assad is no good. Putin is no good. The Syrian rebels are no good. Iran is no good. As Sarah said let them fight among themselves and let Allah sort it out.


41 posted on 09/13/2013 8:23:24 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Why care so much about whether the UN resolution discusses force one way or the other when “I can do bad all by myself?”

...and that is exactly the problem. Just as the community organizer/agitator had absolutely no concept of the consequences of his bluster, threats and ultimatums, so too will he fail to foresee the consequences of military actions taken for the sole purpose of protecting his "rep"

42 posted on 09/13/2013 8:27:19 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: sunmars
This was nothing more than an exercise to pull the clown pResident's bacon out of the fire. Forget about the US security or credibility on the world stage - IT IS ALL ABOUT THE WON.
43 posted on 09/13/2013 9:30:22 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: sunmars

44 posted on 09/13/2013 9:56:24 PM PDT by Marguerite ( When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: mware

Putin is a man who can say what he thinks unfettered by political correctness. In our world, that is powerful.


45 posted on 09/13/2013 10:09:42 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: sunmars

Dr. Nefarious loses again.


46 posted on 09/13/2013 11:37:59 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: noinfringers2
I continue to believe that the bottom line cause for the confrontations is that Saudis with some other gulf nations along with France and other European nations along with USA banking interests want a gas pipeline across Syria to compete with the current Russian supply. There is very much money involved with this gas&gold situation. Russia from historical experience is no lap dog for the European bankers. Wars, big wars, have been started over seemingly less incidents/situations.

You are EXACTLY right.

This is all about Western European IMF banking and Western European petro energy supply and sources. It's about undercutting Russian sales and bolstering Saudi group sales while running all the money through Western European banking, and using the US military as a bully to force Russia to allow it.

47 posted on 09/14/2013 2:25:14 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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Although Mr. Obama reserves the right to order a punitive military strike on his own without United Nations backing if Syria reneges,...

I guess the NYTrash has to toss this wrong statement in. Since when do we get to "spank" other nations for staying out after midnight?

Russia is busily amassing power in the area and now making demands on our policies towards Iran's Nuke program. Zero is so much worse than Carter on the international front that they have to develop an even newer math to be able to calculate the difference.

48 posted on 09/14/2013 4:49:00 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Navy Patriot

I like your discourse as to my comments on the Syrian situation. You were probably more succinct as to the big picture. I also think Russia has just completed a ‘make one give all-make all give all’ scenario. As for me there will be no honesty or integrity as to any party to the dealing if such is not the case. I was in WWII and my brother was killed on Okinawa so I believe I know a good war cause as to a bad one. Kerry’s 3 months or so at war with self inflicted/promoted Purple Heart wounds in Viet Nam doesn’t pass the smell test for historical reference..


49 posted on 09/14/2013 8:43:56 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: sunmars

I guess we can’t in good conscience call the French “surrender monkeys” anymore.

Because that name now rightfully belongs to the president.


50 posted on 09/14/2013 9:37:55 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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