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PPP admits hiding Colorado recall poll
Washington Examiner ^ | 9/11/2013

Posted on 09/11/2013 11:33:07 AM PDT by markomalley

A spokesman for Public Policy Polling admitted Wednesday to withholding a poll showing Colorado voters were going to recall State Sen. Angela Giron by a 12-point margin.

The reason, according to PPP pollster Tom Jensen, was that “in a district that Barack Obama won by almost 20 points, I figured there was no way that could be right and made a rare decision not to release the poll.”

When the votes were counted in race, the poll turned out to be on target, as Giron lost by 12 points. “We should have had more faith in our numbers,” Jensen said.

Interestingly, the poll also found 68 percent supporting background checks and an evenly split on a law limiting high capacity ammunition magazines.

The poll also found 53 percent of voters approved of the National Rifle Association.

One might think that Giron's stances on gun control would produce a different result in an overwhelmingly Democratic district, but Jensen pointed to the factor that made the difference:

But the NRA won the messaging game and turned it into something bigger than it was — even if that wasn’t true — and Giron paid the price.



TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; ppp4obama; ppp4obamaagenda; pppfraud; secondamendment; typicalpppflack; voterfraud; votersuppression

1 posted on 09/11/2013 11:33:07 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

PPP should be PPPP for piss poor partisan poll.


2 posted on 09/11/2013 11:35:09 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: markomalley

Public Policy Polling (PPP): Publishing all the polls that fit our political bias!


3 posted on 09/11/2013 11:35:12 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why haven't we heard from the 30 Benghazi survivors?)
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To: markomalley

The PPP polls are quite good if my understanding is correct, and so I’m not buying the lame excuse that PPP decided not to release this once since not consistent with Obama’s re-election last fall. What does the one have to do with the other, other than that I smell a RAT? PPP may have just blown its credibility.


4 posted on 09/11/2013 11:35:51 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: markomalley

So...

An opportunity for the single biggest boost to their credibility came up, and they DIDN’T TRUST THEIR OWN POLLING DATA!!!

Good move.


5 posted on 09/11/2013 11:36:25 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: markomalley

They witheld their data because they knew it would weaken the cries of “Voter suppression” by the Dim-o-bulbs...


6 posted on 09/11/2013 11:39:36 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: markomalley

Mr. Jensen either doesn’t have much confidence in his own polls (which calls into question their methodology and accuracy) or values his own opinion/view above his own polls (which is another problem altogether). Both are very problematic for him. However, the real story is probably that he didn’t want to release the poll for fear of encouraging the pro-gun movement.


7 posted on 09/11/2013 11:39:51 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: markomalley

Maybe just as well not to publish it while voting was going on because it may have suppressed the recall vote with those that maybe deciding to stay home if it appeared that the recall would be successful.


8 posted on 09/11/2013 11:40:52 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: markomalley
The coverup continues. This morning's Denver Post reported that Morse had conceded and Giron was "trailing" but gave NO vote numbers or percentages. I have never before read coverage of an election that did not report the vote.

They know this was a disaster for Democrats. Giron's district is heavily Democrat and Morse only got close because of massive vote fraud by Colorado College students.

10 posted on 09/11/2013 11:41:30 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: markomalley

It was a poorly disguised effort to influence the vote in favor of the democrats but it backfired.


11 posted on 09/11/2013 11:42:57 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: markomalley
Of course, if the poll results were exactly the opposite they would have also withheld it. /s
12 posted on 09/11/2013 11:43:28 AM PDT by JPG (Putin Does Obama.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I think PPP should go to Hell!

What do y'all think?

14 posted on 09/11/2013 11:49:56 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick; All

Sorry about the huge picture; it was smaller in the preview. :-(


15 posted on 09/11/2013 11:51:39 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: markomalley
But the NRA won the messaging game and turned it into something bigger than it was — even if that wasn’t true

Bull chips! The NRA follows gun owners not the other way around. We, the people of CO, reject your commie vision of our state!

16 posted on 09/11/2013 11:51:55 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Tell that SKANK Wasserman, the only thing suppressed in this election was the polling numbers showing the socialist democrats getting slaughtered. HIDE THE DECLINE is their motto


17 posted on 09/11/2013 11:52:42 AM PDT by spawn44 ( MOO)
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To: markomalley
PPP marketing hook: "Even we don't believe us."
18 posted on 09/11/2013 11:54:09 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: markomalley

“in a district that Barack Obama won by almost 20 points, I figured there was no way that could be right and made a rare decision not to release the poll.”

He is, of course, assuming BHO REALLY did legitimately win by 20 points, which could be the fatal flaw in his polling data.


19 posted on 09/11/2013 11:54:48 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: markomalley
The reason, according to PPP pollster Tom Jensen, was that “in a district that Barack Obama won by almost 20 points, I figured there was no way that could be right and made a rare decision not to release the poll.”

No, there was no voter fraud in 2012.(/sarcasm) A 32% swing in less than a year? I'm sorry, but that simply does not pass the smell test. No person that voted for Obama in 2012 is going to be against gun control less than a year later. This woman should have won easily, but she was removed with great prejudice.

20 posted on 09/11/2013 11:55:56 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: markomalley

In other words, PPP withheld the poll because it might discourage Democrats.


21 posted on 09/11/2013 11:58:00 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: markomalley

The thing that struck me about the results of this election Is how upside down the results were, with the other DemonCrap losing by only 2 percentage points, while this witch lost by about 12. Then it struck me. The DemonCraps, thinking the witch would win on her own, directed all their election theft efforts into the other race, which they still lost, but only because the honest votes were so heavily against them that it was impossible to steal the election.


22 posted on 09/11/2013 11:58:29 AM PDT by libstripper (])
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To: markomalley

Interestingly, the poll also found 68 percent supporting background checks...


The polls never make it clear that there are already background checks for all purchases through gun dealers, so many who say they “approve” are approving of the status quo in their own minds.


23 posted on 09/11/2013 12:03:01 PM PDT by Founding Nephew
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To: markomalley; mhking
The reason, according to PPP pollster Tom Jensen, was that “in a district that Barack Obama won by almost 20 points, I figured there was no way that could be right and made a rare decision not to release the poll.”

Just d-mn!

24 posted on 09/11/2013 12:04:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Mr. K

Bingo.


25 posted on 09/11/2013 12:13:09 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: markomalley

There is probably some chance that the opportunity to “pull the flush handle on ANY politician” padded these numbers a bit.


26 posted on 09/11/2013 12:15:42 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Nervous Tick

Why did they list Connecticut twice?


27 posted on 09/11/2013 12:15:48 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: Stosh

rofl


28 posted on 09/11/2013 12:16:31 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: markomalley
The reason, according to PPP pollster Tom Jensen, was that “in a district that Barack Obama won by almost 20 points, I figured there was no way that could be right and made a rare decision not to release the poll

I seriously doubt that this is a rare decision. PPP has just lost any credibility it ever had. I have long maintained that polls are selectively released to appease political or financial interests. If CBS commissions a poll, they will get the best results (from CBS' perspective) possible. Stuff like this just confirms my suspicions about this.

29 posted on 09/11/2013 12:16:47 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: markomalley
As the Dem's are saying, “Voter suppression, pure and simple!” NOT!

So I wonder if the MSM is going to pick up on this as a major story that it was known what was going to happen, but nobody wanted to admit the truth until their nose was rubbed in it?

Liberalism, a delusion of the worst order.

30 posted on 09/11/2013 12:20:31 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: markomalley
The reason, according to PPP pollster Tom Jensen, was that “in a district that Barack Obama won by almost 20 points, I figured there was no way that could be right and made a rare decision not to release the poll.”

No.
The reason is that Obama's MSM and polling groups are so accustomed to being able to force issues to conclude a certain way, that they refused to believe it didn't work this time!

Time to find a new job, useless losers!

31 posted on 09/11/2013 12:23:53 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: markomalley

Background checks, permits, limits on magazines are all violations of the Second Amendment. “Shall not be infringed” is not a set of weasel words that can be reinterpreted into something else. It’s a command that government keep its hands off the right - not privilege - of all citizens to keep and bear arms. I don’t care if a person is a 10-time felon, they still have the inalienable right to bear arms.

If this sounds like too hardline a stance for your comfort, just consider whether similar restrictions on speech would be an acceptable compromise. Government permits to speak? To believe in God? To publish one’s opinion? Those are the 1st Amendment equivalents of these offenses to the 2nd.


32 posted on 09/11/2013 12:38:00 PM PDT by thoughtomator 2.0
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To: libstripper

Here are a few more interesting factoids that you’d think the GOP would be paying attention to:

- Giron is Hispanic, in a heavily Latino district. Turns out that Hispanic voters value their Second Amendment rights as much as any other voting bloc. Memo to all those Republican consultants looking for a way to connect with Hispanic voters.

- The successful effort was organized and funded almost entirely at the local level, with the only significant outside support from the NRA. Not surprisingly, many of those behind the recall were Tea Partiers. You’d think the GOP establishment wouldn’t be in such a hurry to jettison this critical element of their base.

But then again, the party establishment is more worried about being called racist than winning elections


33 posted on 09/11/2013 1:00:55 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: clintonh8r
PPP marketing hook: "Even we don't believe us."

LOL!
Best post on the thread!

34 posted on 09/11/2013 1:05:37 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: markomalley
But the NRA won the messaging game and turned it into something bigger than it was — even if that wasn’t true — and Giron paid the price.

The supporters of the Constitution outspent seven-to-one? Of course it is true.
35 posted on 09/11/2013 3:16:16 PM PDT by Peet (Come back with a warrant.)
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To: clintonh8r

hee hee


36 posted on 09/11/2013 3:36:57 PM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: markomalley; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

37 posted on 09/11/2013 3:59:11 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

I’m stealing that for my tagline.


38 posted on 09/11/2013 4:02:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

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39 posted on 09/11/2013 4:50:32 PM PDT by Nachum (I am Breitbartacus!)
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To: markomalley

This was just a small sampling in Colorado. One more piece of the puzzle pointing to massive voter fraud in the 2012 elections.


40 posted on 09/11/2013 5:02:13 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: markomalley

What that pinhead thinks is irrelevant anyway. I hope the election turns out the same way and we get something other than a die-hard liberal commie in there.


41 posted on 09/11/2013 5:13:50 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Mr. K

No, they didn’t want to ‘discourage’ gun control voters. Why in heaven’s name is background checks even an issue? We already have it...nation-wide!


42 posted on 09/11/2013 5:41:58 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Nachum

Dude. Way to destroy your own credibility forever and ever.


43 posted on 09/11/2013 7:43:41 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: AtlasStalled
Nothing wrong with your nose!

"The sad fact, here, is that the media often reports the results of PPP polls as if it is non-partisan news. But PPP was started by extremist left-winger and Democrat shill Markos Moulitsas with the idea of aiding the election of Democrats."

Colorado Dem Senators Get Recalled, PPP Polling Throws Out Own Poll Foreshadowing Results

44 posted on 09/12/2013 12:14:44 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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