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Why is the Roman Catholic Church supporting immigration reform?
The Economist ^ | September 10, 2013 | M.S.L.J.

Posted on 09/11/2013 10:28:39 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi

IN AMERICA Roman Catholic ears are ringing from sermons supporting immigration reform. On September 8th, just before politicians returned to Congress after their summer break, several Catholic bishops spoke in favour of a bill passed by the Senate in June. The legislation would provide a bridge to citizenship for the 11m people currently residing in America without legal authorisation to do so (and also proposes $46 billion for border security measures). It followed on from vigils in August in support of reform of immigration policies (pictured). Prospects for the passage of any sort of immigration reform in the current legislative session are fading quickly, while the chances of the Senate bill passing the House of Representatives are currently low. But the Roman Catholic church is increasing pressure from the pulpit. Why is the church interested in changing immigration policies?

This is not the first time that Catholics in America have tried to help those there illegally. Seven years ago the church launched the “Justice for Immigrants” campaign after legislation was passed in December 2005 to impose sanctions upon anyone assisting undocumented immigrants. But as they explain on their website, Catholic bishops support neither illegal immigration nor an "amnesty" to pardon those who reside without proper authorisation. Instead the church prefers a softer approach based on prayers and catechisms, alongside more direct methods of reaching politicians through letters and template e-postcards. It seems to want to ensure that foreign nationals of “good character” can earn a legitimate status, families can be together and needy workers are given a chance to gain employment legally.

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1 posted on 09/11/2013 10:28:39 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

More butts in the pews, more $$$$ in the collection baskets.


2 posted on 09/11/2013 10:30:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“More butts in the pews, more $$$$ in the collection baskets.”

Exactly right. It is that simple.


3 posted on 09/11/2013 10:31:48 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Ping for later


4 posted on 09/11/2013 10:32:26 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Simple. Because the Roman Catholic Church is the predominant religion in all those Spanish-speaking countries whose citizens are breaching our Southern border.

The liberal social-justice Marxist wing of the Roman church has been responsible for much of South America’s political upheaval for decades.


5 posted on 09/11/2013 10:35:01 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

“For the LOVE of MONEY is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”


6 posted on 09/11/2013 10:37:23 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (We are becoming a Mediocracy: By and For the mediocre.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
One possible reason why the Catholic church is keen to cultivate Hispanic migrants could be that, if some of the immigrants are more socially conservative, their voices could become louder on topics such as contraception and abortion, over which the church has clashed with the Obama administration.

Very perverse thinking by The Economist since they vote for Obama with a huge majority.

7 posted on 09/11/2013 10:38:10 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Because they are running low on “contributers” .


8 posted on 09/11/2013 10:39:11 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
Why is the Roman Catholic Church supporting immigration reform?

Because the USCCB and by extension the US catholic hierarchy is a leftist organization. I think it's leftist because priests and bishops never had to work for a living and fundamentally don't understand the process that wealth is earned not distributed. Things that place a burden on the working taxpayers like illegal immigration just don't register with them. The just think og the good that unlimited immigration and the concomitant welfare can do for the "poor" and totaly miss out on the other side of the coin that someone else has to pay for it.

9 posted on 09/11/2013 10:41:17 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
FWIW, I polled FReepers on Sunday and not a single one was subjected to a homily about illegals / amnesty / etc.

See this thread:

Poll: illegal alien homilies at Mass today? [CATHOLIC CAUCUS]

Based upon the results of that poll, I tend to think that there were just enough homilies given to validate this reporting by the media.

10 posted on 09/11/2013 10:41:26 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

The church operates from an ecclesiastical not a political perspective....one would hope.


11 posted on 09/11/2013 10:41:28 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Parley Baer

They also probably think that by getting more registered voters into the Church they can influence public policy.

Sadly this has never worked. Witness the thousands of Mass attending Catholics here in Pittsburgh who nevertheless regularly vote for Pro Abortion Democrats because “my union told me to”.

The Church is very naïve if they think they can convince newly minted Hispanic citizens to cast their votes in line with Catholic values.


12 posted on 09/11/2013 10:41:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Good question. Big problem !

Big festering huge problem.

However, this most definitely NOT the Roman Catholic Church, though they’d better get on this!

This is the USCCB, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, who represent the Roman Catholic Church and they are ignoring the Catechism in this case, which does NOT condone illegal behavior, prohibits interference in politics and denounces sacrifice of country in favor of preserving the host country for further ability to offer charitable services, not to deplete it


13 posted on 09/11/2013 10:44:07 AM PDT by stanne
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

A very few liberal Bishops does not the Catholic Church make.


14 posted on 09/11/2013 10:44:39 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

There ya go.


15 posted on 09/11/2013 10:45:55 AM PDT by stanne
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From the article:
One possible reason why the Catholic church is keen to cultivate Hispanic migrants could be that, if some of the immigrants are more socially conservative, their voices could become louder on topics such as contraception and abortion, over which the church has clashed with the Obama administration.


Actually their voices and votes(legalization,citizenship) would become louder in their giving their vote and assent to
the Party of Death,Sex and Diversity.


16 posted on 09/11/2013 10:48:21 AM PDT by RBStealth
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To: Buckeye McFrog

More butts in the pews, more $$$$ in the collection baskets.

Sí! Mucho más dinero de los criadores alto!


17 posted on 09/11/2013 10:51:09 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Most Hispanics are Catholic. But not all religions pushing the illegal invasion of America are Catholic. Quakers, Episcopalians, Methodists, ELCA, etc, are all pushing this crap.

Its like western civilization is committing mass suicide before our very eyes. At least they aren’t Muslims - SO FAR.


18 posted on 09/11/2013 10:55:16 AM PDT by ZULU (Barack Hussein Obama is the Lord of Misrule)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Why is the Roman Catholic Church supporting immigration reform?

one word - money


19 posted on 09/11/2013 10:58:42 AM PDT by mark3681
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Maybe those bishops need to read their Bibles.


20 posted on 09/11/2013 11:02:08 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Buckeye: You are so concise and so correct. And it ain’t just the Roman Catholics.


21 posted on 09/11/2013 11:04:58 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ZULU

They areas guided. And the Catholic Church must get more sophisticated about this. The Catechism states we are not to promote such an invasion lest the host country is depleted of resources, rendering it unable to provide charitable service

The Vatican would be well advised to take note

The other churches could follow suit. No one here wants people in need to perish. But expletive that does not mean allowing an invasion of a large number of people who will not respect our country it’s laws and its culture and language if we give it all away to them


22 posted on 09/11/2013 11:07:15 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“FWIW, I polled FReepers on Sunday and not a single one was subjected to a homily about illegals / amnesty / etc”

In my dioscese, the Bishop said the homily about immigration did not necessarily have to be on the 8th, and our priest talked about Syria, instead. I’m sure the immigration one will be coming up soon.


23 posted on 09/11/2013 11:08:35 AM PDT by GIdget2004
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To: markomalley

No such homily in my Church.


24 posted on 09/11/2013 11:10:01 AM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: Buckeye McFrog

No, Buckeye. Look at the situation. These people in the first place do not contribute. Every time we ( now) have a fundraiser the faces of the recipients are immigrants and spanish speaking illegitimate and disrespectful of our language and culture

They are not here to give, not to the country or the church

This is seven by sentiment without regard for the economic and political implications

Look at who’s driving it. Look at who the particular Bishops are. They are driven by sentiment and it is shockingly unwise

But they are not a group bound by a common greed. They are bound by a common national loyalty


25 posted on 09/11/2013 11:15:43 AM PDT by stanne
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To: GIdget2004

I have written to mine. My pastor as well as the bishop has heard from me on this. They know there’s no more $ from my family until they renounce this. Those donation envelopes can be used for sending messages


26 posted on 09/11/2013 11:18:43 AM PDT by stanne
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Unfortunately it’s the commie draft dodgers of the 60’s who are todays Bishops...

...the substituted soul saving for social justice.


27 posted on 09/11/2013 11:23:15 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: Nea Wood

They coulfld but they dont even have to The Church has done that for them on this subject. The Church has already read the Bible on this and has stated that it is stupid, based, again, on Boblical teaching and reference, to get involved in politics , to promote an invasion and to promote illegal activity.


28 posted on 09/11/2013 11:24:17 AM PDT by stanne
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To: exPBRrat

No. Not so.

Anyway, look at the particular members of the USCCB who are promoting this. They weren’t even IN this country at that time


29 posted on 09/11/2013 11:26:02 AM PDT by stanne
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To: GIdget2004
In my dioscese, the Bishop said the homily about immigration did not necessarily have to be on the 8th, and our priest talked about Syria, instead. I’m sure the immigration one will be coming up soon.

It wouldn't surprise me.

I would find it ironic if one of our deacons, a (legal) immigrant from the PI (who had to wait 15 years for his visa and HATES illegal immigration) was the one tagged to give the homily when it comes.

30 posted on 09/11/2013 11:26:15 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Clarification: There is NO Roman Catholic Church in Acirema, save for pockets of “right-wing extremists, clinging to their guns and religion”. What passes for a Church is as much Catholic as Mohammedans are tolerant.


31 posted on 09/11/2013 11:27:40 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: stanne

Lampedusa, Italy on July 8


The Jesuit run Astalli refugee center in Rome on Tuesday

Go study your lesson and you'll discover that the USCCB and Pope Francis are in step with one another. You're out of step with Rome.

32 posted on 09/11/2013 11:33:12 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: haffast

Nope.

You cannot find a word from the Vatican nor the Pope (the Roman Catholic Church) as the Economist claims, which calls for this amnesty in our country.

I expect flames and flames with no such citation. So don’t waste our time


33 posted on 09/11/2013 11:36:34 AM PDT by stanne
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Wait in a few minutes the Church minions will declare that this is a lie, the “Church” does not support this issue nor does it support socialism and the re-distribution of wealth.........lies I tell ell you lies.

I quoted text from a Vatican paper one time that supports socialism, I was advised on here that because I was not a Catholic I did not have the mind of a Catholic and therefore could not understand what the paper meant...


34 posted on 09/11/2013 11:36:41 AM PDT by stockpirate (American taxpayer's are: New World Order slaves for the collective.)
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To: stanne

Thank you, stanne. Well said.

There is a socialist/Marxist cabal in the Church. We know them when we see them, and they’re noise makers, we know when we hear them, and they sit among the Bishops Conference and they are in the government, all, giving us a bad name.

This is not new. Since the beginning they have been among us but against God and His people. It shall not end, but by the intervention of God.


35 posted on 09/11/2013 11:44:15 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

There are 195 dioceses/archdioceses in the United States.

When the article notes that “several Catholic bishops spoke” the number that is assigned to the vague term “several” is six. And those six were in heavily hispanic dioceses

6 out of 195 is 3%


36 posted on 09/11/2013 11:44:50 AM PDT by kidd (No blood for ego)
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To: stockpirate

News flash; the Church does not follow the Vatican Paper.

It’s a 2000 year old institution founded by Jesus, which follows the Bible, Tradition and the Magesterium.

A few Hispanic bishops within the USCCB have hijacked this issue but in fact the Church does not condone illegal behavior, invasions nor insertion by the clergy into politics

It’s always tedious to recall how some Free Republic posters cling to media libs’ statements when it comes to this bashing


37 posted on 09/11/2013 11:49:33 AM PDT by stanne
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To: markomalley

I didn’t see your poll on Sunday but my parish is in a heavily Hispanic neighborhood in Los Angeles Co. and immigration was not mentioned in the homily at the Mass I attended.


38 posted on 09/11/2013 11:54:37 AM PDT by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: Jedidah
>> Simple. Because the Roman Catholic Church is the predominant religion in all those Spanish-speaking countries whose citizens are breaching our Southern border. <<

So why is the Southern Baptist Convention (and all other major Christian denominations in the U.S.) also supporting illegal immigration?

39 posted on 09/11/2013 12:01:02 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

1. The socialist USCCB supports immigration reform, not the Church.

2. Other churches also support immigration reform, let’s scrutinize them as well.

3. Not all bishops- just like not all preachers, reverends, rabbis, etc. -are socialists. The Steubenville diocese has a very conservative bishop that did not have the priests push amnesty last week. He will personally be presiding over a Blue Mass this Sunday, as part of his 9/11 memorial service.


40 posted on 09/11/2013 12:26:04 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Central Americans and Mexicans give $$$$ in cash during the collection. I was surprised when I took up the collection in our “cry room”. every (latino) family dropped a wad of cash in the plate. I can only guess that its like that in every Catholic church with a high Hispanic population.


41 posted on 09/11/2013 12:29:13 PM PDT by BudgieRamone (Everybody loves a bonk on the head.)
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To: ZULU
17 Most Hispanics are Catholic. But not all religions pushing the illegal invasion of America are Catholic. Quakers, Episcopalians, Methodists, ELCA, etc, are all pushing this crap. Its like western civilization is committing mass suicide before our very eyes. At least they aren’t Muslims - SO FAR.

UMC >>> ELCA >> TEC > Quakers ... and the Southern Baptist Convention is larger than all save for the RCC. Yet the SBC is on board for amnesty/immigration reform. Insane time in which we live.

42 posted on 09/11/2013 1:10:36 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
I must confess, I never understood Catholicism.

I was once roped into attending a Christmas midnight mass by a girl I was dating in high school.

Found the whole thing highly bizarre. The robes, the wine, the incense, the altar boys, the grisly statues, the saints, the ancient language employed, the kneeling, the gesticulations, the scripted responses to whatever the priest was saying, ad infinitum.

Could not wait to get out of there and broke up with the girl as well because I then thought she was some kind of brain-dead weirdo.

43 posted on 09/11/2013 2:20:13 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: markomalley
Cardinal O'Malley's statement in support of immigration reform was read to Mass attendees in the Archdiocese of Boston this past weekend.

..."The Catholic bishops are focusing on comprehensive immigration reform which guarantees a path to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented men, women and children already in the United States. The status of those people -- whose lives, dignity and human rights are at stake -- is the central moral issue at this moment in the policy debates."'...

http://www.pilotcatholicnews.com/articleprint.asp?id=16380

44 posted on 09/11/2013 4:31:35 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Roman Catholic ears are ringing from sermons supporting immigration reform.What happens if say immigration reform is passed. Is the Roman Catholic church ,under the impression that illegal immigration will come to a standstill ?The Roman Catholic church ,making demands to given illegals a path to citizenship. In the meantime, what is the church doing about countries like,Mexico,Guatemala ,Honduras ? What is Roman Catholic church, doing as far as telling each country how they must do their part if American grants a path to citizenship,what is the church telling these other countries ? We give 11 million plus path to citizenship.What is the the Roman Catholic church ,going to say when more folks from Latin America start showing here illegally again ? Are they going to want to be granted a path to citizenship ? How does the Church decide what’s more important people in Honduras,Guatemala or Mexico ? Does the church believe all the illegals coming from those countires who intend to come here later should be given a path to citizenship? What if a few millions more illegals show up will the Roman Catholic church ,tell us we must welcome these strangers who have came to America better life? Is the Church going to say after immigration reform,that as time passes and more families start showing up and the church is right back where it started.When more parents come cross the border with their kids illegally and it begins all over again with our immigration system is broken, we cannot deport the children of illegals who brought them here, from no fault of their own and therefore the church will need yet another immigration reform.And the church makes no effort to start applying pressure to Latin America. Just send the problems here.


45 posted on 09/11/2013 5:14:19 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: elkfersupper
So Catholics are brain-dead weirdos?

Thanks for your candor.

Rest assured the feeling, from this Catholic at least, is mutual.

46 posted on 09/11/2013 5:23:51 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: moonshinner_09
You make good points.

The voices leading the amnesty charge are socialist bishops who are presumptuously conflating their personal opinions with actual Church teaching.

"Pope Benedict XVI reiterated the Catholic church's position on immigration, saying that nations have the right to regulate the flow of migrants and secure their borders. His comment is consistent with what the church has said in the past, but contradicts the position of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

In his statement, Pope Benedict XVI said individuals have the right to leave their country, but that doesn't mean that nations have to take them in.

”At the same time, states have the right to regulate migration flows and to defend their own frontiers, always guaranteeing the respect due to the dignity of each and every human person,” Pope Benedict XVI said.

In recent years, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops have supported mass amnesty plans and have opposed the construction of a border fence and other tools that would help secure the border."

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/october-26-2010/pope-benedict-says-nations-have-right-secure-their-borders.html

The pro-amnesty bishops claim that amnesty must be bestowed for the sake of "human dignity" (despite the fact that the majority of illegals have broken our laws in pursuit of personal financial gain). A bizarre notion, and one that is nowhere to be found in the catechism.

47 posted on 09/11/2013 8:39:49 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Would the church not be incline enough to go as for as saying (despite the fact that the majority of illegals have broken our laws in pursuit of personal financial gain). This pursuit of personal financial gain, in fact would this not be considred ill gotten gains, obtained dishonestly or illegally. Doesn’t the church have a moral responsibility to advise illegals it is not biblically acceptable by the word of God to obtain ill gotten gains,dishonestly or illegally. Coming here for a better life does not exempt illegals from having to follow the same biblically commands that the church would tell us as citizens, we cannot do that , this is illegal and against the law. Shouldn’t the church be giving sermons on how the word of God applies to all equally and this means illegals too.
Isn’t this what churches are suppose to do preach the gospel to everyone on the same level ?


48 posted on 09/11/2013 9:30:40 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09; BlatherNaut

ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS POPE BENEDICT XVI TO THE BISHOPS OF THE UNITED STATES (REGIONS XIV-XV AND THE EASTERN RITE) ON THEIR AD LIMINA VISIT
Friday, 18 May 2012

excerpt

"I would begin by praising your unremitting efforts, in the best traditions of the Church in America, to respond to the ongoing phenomenon of immigration in your country. The Catholic community in the United States continues, with great generosity, to welcome waves of new immigrants, to provide them with pastoral care and charitable assistance, and to support ways of regularizing their situation, especially with regard to the unification of families. A particular sign of this is the long-standing commitment of the American Bishops to immigration reform."
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2012/may/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20120518_bishops-us-fourteen_en.html

Pope Benedict XVI Backs U.S. Bishops' Commitment To Immigration Reform
By VICTOR L. SIMPSON 05/18/12 10:55 AM ET - AP
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/pope-benedict-immigration-reform_n_1526954.html

Pope Benedict on immigration reform
By Father Tom Joyce, CMF
http://www.uscatholic.org/blog/2012/06/pope-benedict-immigration-reform#sthash.UXCkZJKn.dpuf

49 posted on 09/12/2013 6:13:59 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: stanne

I knew you or someone like you would show up.......just look at what they are doing, and yes, they supported the healthcare bill


50 posted on 09/12/2013 7:30:35 AM PDT by stockpirate (American taxpayer's are: New World Order slaves for the collective.)
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