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Red lines: Obama's costly bluster (and blunder)
New Hampshire Union Leader ^ | Aug 31, 2013 | NH Union Leader Editorial Staff

Posted on 08/31/2013 6:07:42 PM PDT by Innovative

Last August, President Obama drew his line in the Syrian sand. "We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation."

A year later two things are clear: 1) There was no equation; it was just Obama talking nonsense. 2.) He bluffed without a plan.

The United States of America has no business attacking Syria. Our national security is not at stake. The one and only reason we are on the verge of war is because the President thought it personally advantageous to rattle the sabers just before the 2012 election.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; france; israel; muslimbrotherhood; obama; russia; syria; terrorism; unitedkingdom; waronterror
Where are the "peace demonstrations"?!

Where is Cindy Sheehan and her ilk?

1 posted on 08/31/2013 6:07:42 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

“According to the French academic Dominique Reynié, between January 3 and April 12, 2003, 36 million people across the globe took part in almost 3,000 protests against the Iraq war.[3]”

Wikipaedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War


2 posted on 08/31/2013 6:09:35 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

I’m guessing that he was off-teleprompter when he said this? Usually it’s just embarrassing. This time, dangerous.


3 posted on 08/31/2013 6:13:16 PM PDT by Rio
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To: Innovative

S’pose Barry will just have to, uh, recalibrate. Heh.


4 posted on 08/31/2013 6:19:51 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Innovative

Does anyone really think this dork could even spell 'calculus?'

5 posted on 08/31/2013 6:21:44 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Innovative
Undocumented Impostor on a girls bicycle:


6 posted on 08/31/2013 6:22:02 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

I love to compare this photo to the one of Putin riding a Harley.


7 posted on 08/31/2013 6:25:14 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) ( Hey Rubio, eat pooh pal))
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To: Innovative
In my mind, the (quite disturbing) situation in Syria is rather complicated.

There are no discernable "good guys" with whom to associate in Syria. Certainly, Bashar al-Assad is a very bad guy; but the rebel opposition--much of which is associated with al-Qaeda--does not impress me as the very apotheosis of democratic purity, either.

What complicates the matter, in my opinion, is the fact that President Obama--most unwisely, in my opinion--drew a "red line" about a year ago, as regarding the use (or even the movement) of chemical weapons. For the president to ignore his own "red line," I believe, would make America appear impotent and unserious; and that could have some very serious ramifications in the Middle East. One of those ramifications would be for Iran to interpret the inaction as a green light for it to proceed with its nuclear-weapons program.

In the end, therefore, I remain quite conflicted about this matter: As a matter of policy, I am not at all certain that America should be involved in a civil war in the Middle East that pits Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah (on one side) against elements of al-Qaeda (on the other side). We might very well help to topple one bad guy, only to wind up with an even worse result.

Yet I am also very concerned that if we do nothing at all, the US will no longer be taken seriously by either our allies or our enemies in the Middle East...

8 posted on 08/31/2013 6:38:17 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Rio

IIRC , he was off prompter .


9 posted on 08/31/2013 6:39:26 PM PDT by katykelly
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To: Diogenesis

HILARIOUS!! Is that a girls bicycle?


10 posted on 08/31/2013 6:41:14 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: Innovative
The call on congress to vote is doing exactly what it was intended to do. It prevents a rush to judgement. Instead, we will be afforded time to investigate, learn, and make informed decisions.

It was bravado that caused the world to view us as this bugs bunny cartoon. I dare you to step over this line.... OK this line.

11 posted on 08/31/2013 6:49:33 PM PDT by tarpit
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To: Innovative

>> The one and only reason we are on the verge of war is because the President thought it personally advantageous to rattle the sabers just before the 2012 election.

There’s another reason: Bluelips loves him some muslim brotherhood and will do anything he can to help them.


12 posted on 08/31/2013 6:51:14 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: tarpit

Or the Robin Williams’ routine about Kadaffy:

“This is a ‘Line of Death. You cross it, you die.”

“Ok, you cross THIS line you die.”

“Ok, you cross THIS line you die.”

“This line, you die.”

“OK, you’re knocking on my door, I’m not coming out......Naaaah!”


13 posted on 08/31/2013 6:54:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
For the president to ignore his own "red line," I believe, would make America appear impotent and unserious; and that could have some very serious ramifications in the Middle East. One of those ramifications would be for Iran to interpret the inaction as a green light for it to proceed with its nuclear-weapons program.

It wouldn't be the first time.

We don't support Israeli attack, US tells Iran September 12, 2012

0bama sent a message to Tehran assuring them that the U.S. will do nothing to help Israel.

14 posted on 08/31/2013 7:04:24 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: TigersEye
I doubt he knows how to spell arrogant narcissist either...



This is MY government and I have the Hat To Prove It!

15 posted on 08/31/2013 7:05:50 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Joe Boucher
the REAL barack Obama...




16 posted on 08/31/2013 7:05:50 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: MeshugeMikey

What have arrogant narcissists ever done to deserve being compared with Barack Obama?


17 posted on 08/31/2013 7:06:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

Don’t. Worry.

Once Obama came out for gay marriage, 90 percent of the world lost all respect for him and us.

Red lines have been meaningless since then.


18 posted on 08/31/2013 7:08:56 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Innovative

He told them not to call his bluff.


19 posted on 08/31/2013 7:15:31 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Diogenesis

He is so gay. And what’s with the “loping” down the steps off AF One or up onto a stage? I keep hoping he’ll trip over his big feet and bust his butt.


20 posted on 08/31/2013 7:21:04 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: Innovative
Now we have to be worried that he'll lash out and do something berserk to show he's not a punk.
21 posted on 08/31/2013 7:21:51 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: Rio

I believe his “plan” was a set up for President Romney to be left holding the bag and enforcing/not enforcing the Obama “red line” doctrine.


22 posted on 08/31/2013 7:31:37 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
Yet I am also very concerned that if we do nothing at all, the US will no longer be taken seriously by either our allies or our enemies in the Middle East...

I couldn't tell you about our alleged "allies," AmericanExceptionalist, but am very sure our enemies have been laughing at us since President You Didn't Build That was sworn into office.

23 posted on 08/31/2013 7:33:18 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

Look what happened in Egypt when we supported the Muslim Brotherhood and got rid of Mubarak, who was a friend to us and Israel.

So Assad is bad, but Al Qaeda taking over Syria is MUCH worse.

Remember when Carter supported the Muslim cleric and allowed them to get rid of the Shah, who was our friend and wanted to bring his country into the 20th century — look at Iran now. That is a direct result of Carter’s policies.


24 posted on 08/31/2013 7:35:43 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: tarpit

LOL! Those Looney Tunes cartoons always crack me up!


25 posted on 08/31/2013 7:41:29 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Innovative

Look. Foreign policy is hard. You have to make friends with some pretty bad actors in order to prevent worse enemies from gaining an advantage on you. Ours is not a world populated with angels. You take what you have and build from there. I always thought that throwing Mubarak under the bus was a blunder of epic proportions. Sure, Mubarak was a bastard, but he was OUR bastard. AND Obama dissed the Brits and Israel. You piss off the people who have your back? Really? Amateur hour would be a step up for this bunch.


26 posted on 08/31/2013 7:42:01 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Innovative
Watch this video of Syrian "rebels" are firing chemical weapons.
27 posted on 08/31/2013 7:42:20 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Syrian rebels manufactured chemical weapons outside Damascus

http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_08_25/Syrian-rebels-manufactured-chemical-weapons-outside-Damascus-8968/

It is quite possible and even highly likely that the “rebels” (Al Qaeda) were the ones who used chemical weapons, to force the US enter the fight on the side of the “rebels”.


28 posted on 08/31/2013 7:56:06 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
The best I can hope for is a direct strike on Washington D.C. because we need a total replacement of the house, senate, supreme court and the presidency.

For a military hating, Nobel Peace Prize winning homosexual loving, girly man Obama is sure abusing the hell out of our armed forces.

Ever notice that all of these Washington gas bags are all about sending other peoples children into harms way but never their own ?

29 posted on 08/31/2013 7:56:44 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Innovative

Ya’ think ?


30 posted on 08/31/2013 7:57:05 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Newbomb Turk
And what are their plans for a Saudi freighter ship loaded with chemical weapons easing up the Potomac?
31 posted on 08/31/2013 8:00:49 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
Yet I am also very concerned that if we do nothing at all, the US will no longer be taken seriously by either our allies or our enemies in the Middle East...

Regardless of what we do -- be it nothing or something "just muscular enough not to mock" -- we are NOT going to be taken seriously by our allies nor our enemies...all around the globe.

And that shall remain the case until our current President is retired and put out to pasture...and a serious American takes his place.

We're stuck with him. And the circumstance he has created.

And correcting the situation will take a serious electorate...

32 posted on 08/31/2013 8:10:02 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: katykelly
IIRC , he was off prompter .

He was. And he was speaking extemporaneously.

Never a good idea for this President...

33 posted on 08/31/2013 8:12:26 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

Too late.

“Yet I am also very concerned that if we do nothing at all, the US will no longer be taken seriously by either our allies or our enemies in the Middle East... “


34 posted on 08/31/2013 10:10:09 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Innovative
The United States of America has no business attacking Syria. Our national security is not at stake. The one and only reason we are on the verge of war is because the President thought it personally advantageous to rattle the sabers just before the 2012 election.

While trying to appear "moral" about the use of "immoral" weapons. Notice to leftists: Dead is dead, and dying of bombs can be every bit as horrible as death by Sarin.

35 posted on 08/31/2013 10:55:13 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

Weak presidents can force us into war. If you were an enemy of the USA would you not see this as a time to act? Would Iran like to face obama or someone else? President Cruz? President palin? President Paul? or even—say President Hillary? Look to see more problems for America soon! Next two years will not be good ones for the USA. Only good thing—we didn’t blunder into another war—Thank you Mr. Putin, Thank you UK.


36 posted on 09/01/2013 5:40:57 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Diogenesis
Looks like it is missing the bell and the playing cards on the spokes.

B.O.------->dolt. Embarrassing dolt.

37 posted on 09/01/2013 6:47:02 AM PDT by hummingbird (Don't be afraid of the big words.)
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To: VerySadAmerican
And what’s with the “loping” down the steps off AF One or up onto a stage?

Image. He wants to look like a basketball athlete who is vigorous and in command of himself and the government. It is getting increasingly fake, like the great Mohammed Ali forcing a shuffle in his last few fights when he had stayed on the job a few years too long.

38 posted on 09/01/2013 7:04:01 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Innovative
Look what happened in Egypt when we supported the Muslim Brotherhood and got rid of Mubarak, who was a friend to us and Israel.

So Assad is bad, but Al Qaeda taking over Syria is MUCH worse.

Remember when Carter supported the Muslim cleric and allowed them to get rid of the Shah, who was our friend and wanted to bring his country into the 20th century — look at Iran now. That is a direct result of Carter’s policies.

Then-President Carter's complicity in the toppling of the Shah of Iran was one of the greatest tragedies of the twentieth century. True, the shah was oppressive--a mere dictator--but he was, at least, pro-Western and (more importantly) pro-American; which is precisely the opposite of what may be said for any of his successors.

Egypt's Mubarak, likewise, was a dictator; but he managed to cobble together a peace agreement with Israel--a peace agreement that the Muslim Brotherhood surely has never had any intention of honoring--and he was, at least, pro-American...

39 posted on 09/01/2013 6:40:31 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

True, you just aren’t going to get any saints in that part of the world. I used to be real naive in that area, no more.


40 posted on 09/01/2013 6:42:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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