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China started late, but could zoom ahead to lead space race
NBC news ^ | 8-26-2013 | Leonard David

Posted on 08/28/2013 8:28:27 AM PDT by ClaytonP

China is pressing forward on its human space exploration plans, intent on establishing an international space station and, experts say, harnessing the technological muscle to launch its astronauts to the moon.

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Unmistakable warning signs Writing for the journal Foreign Policy this month, John Hickman, a professor of political science at Berry College in Georgia, said there "are unmistakable warning signs that China may surpass the United States and Russia to become the world's pre-eminent spacefaring power."

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1 posted on 08/28/2013 8:28:27 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

When you buy or steal most of the necessary technology, it makes it a lot easier to match what the other guys have already done.

It’s putting in the effort and “Money” for advanced R&D that will prove how serious they are about it.


2 posted on 08/28/2013 8:31:22 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: ClaytonP

Lord knows we are no threat to their preeminence.


3 posted on 08/28/2013 8:32:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: The Working Man
They may do pretty well on that front, too, if they take the fly then fix approach.

I suspect China is much more willing to take human losses to advance it's space program than the West is. And that will speed advancement.

/johnny

4 posted on 08/28/2013 8:32:58 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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Yes, that willingness to advance by human sacrifice could be just the chink in their armor that enables us to steal their fast-track technology, while sparing our chaps.


5 posted on 08/28/2013 8:35:23 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Don't miss the Blockbuster of the Summer! "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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To: JRandomFreeper

Just what we need, another Chinese Restaurant to order out from


6 posted on 08/28/2013 8:36:25 AM PDT by shadeaud (Stay Thirsty My Friends)
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To: Kenny Bunk
I've been pushing for the US to go back to Fly then Fix when it comes to military aircraft. We did that for many years, back when we were making rapid advances.

Yes, it can cost lives. We used to be willing to pay that price, and had brave men that volunteered, knowing the risks.

/johnny

7 posted on 08/28/2013 8:38:42 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ClaytonP

Their plan is to dominate space.


8 posted on 08/28/2013 8:41:32 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (IÂ’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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They don’t have to worry about stupid treaties and such


9 posted on 08/28/2013 8:43:20 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: The Working Man

It’s a given too that a Chinese space station will have nuclear weapons onboard that will be able to strike anywhere in the world within minutes. When that happens they will say, “YOU LEAVE CHINA SEA NOW!!”, and we will have no choice but to obey.


10 posted on 08/28/2013 8:47:43 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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...China has taken the best of what they've imported from the Russians, learned from America and the European Space Agency, he said, "and are building a distinctive Chinese program."

Good way to gloss over Clinton's blatant selling of our space technology to China for his personal gain. And no mention of the massive espionage mounted by Red China to steal our space technology allowed by Carter and continued by every Democrat in the White House since.

That's how Red China came from behind so quickly.

Now we are a fading power in everything, including outer space. Our population has been dumbed down. Work ethic has been stifled. Business is being crushed out of existence by our government. We make nothing. And NASA's primary mission is to fill Muslim space with our money and technology.

This is the Democrats' dream of totalitarian vice representative government. It is their dream of rulers and slaves. But it will become their nightmare as they find themselves also living in the slave quarters instead of the ruler's palace.

So don't look to the stars, Democrats. You've built the fence that's going to keep America out of space.

11 posted on 08/28/2013 8:59:43 AM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: ClaytonP

I took a tour of Johnson Space Center last Sunday while in Houston. It’s pretty much a decaying museum of what was once our technological prowess. All they are doing now is wasting time on various schemes to put a man on Mars...sometime between 2030 and 2035. Or so they claim. When asked if anyone had any questions I had to pipe up with “so what you’re saying is the astronauts who will fly this mission are in elementary school right now.”

NASA has a training hangar with mock ups of the current space station. It doesn’t look that high-tech. It looks like my garage (only much larger). Notably absent from the facility was anything to do with the People’s Republic of China. They are obviously going their own way. And I can see why they are reluctant to deal with the memo-writing bureaucrats from NASA.

I’m guessing the Chicoms will get the Russians to jump ship, join them, and dump our sorry asses. The Europeans and Japanese will have to follow. Then it’s a question of how we get our astronauts into orbit since we aren’t interested in doing any real space stuff any more.


12 posted on 08/28/2013 9:06:51 AM PDT by henkster (If the Feds create an unlimited demand for bastard children, you get an unlimited supply of them.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Their plan is to dominate space.

What are the Chinese going to do about the other alien races that have already intimidated us into not exploring?

Joking of course, or am I? Dun dun Dun....


13 posted on 08/28/2013 9:08:07 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: JRandomFreeper
I suspect China is much more willing to take human losses to advance it's space program than the West is.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think a willingness to accept human losses has ever entered the equation, on the part of any space program. The equipment is just too expensive and the funding is always at risk because of the non-tangible nature of the output. For instance, are the Chinese better off with more silly experiments in space costing tens of billions a year, or are they better off with several dozen ballistic missile subs hovering off both coasts of the continental US that provide them with a first strike capability or an enhanced second strike capability? Ultimately, we chose to more or less mothball manned exploration and keep our military procurement. The Soviets wound down their space program as the 80's arms race kicked into gear. There's every likelihood that the Chinese will do the same. I think the Chinese space agency cannot afford any large scale embarrassments (and a loss of several hundred million dollars of launch equipment is an embarrassment) - I suspect there are plenty of other government departments looking at space program funding, thinking that this money really ought to be theirs and lobbying hard for it.

14 posted on 08/28/2013 9:10:54 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: ClaytonP

They already have. They can put people in space, and we cannot right now.


15 posted on 08/28/2013 9:15:05 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: MtBaldy
It’s a given too that a Chinese space station will have nuclear weapons onboard that will be able to strike anywhere in the world within minutes.

Our SLBM subs in the Western Pacific can hit any Chinese city within minutes, and if they ever get round to it, the Chinese could equally deploy missile subs off both coasts of the continental US. Nuclear subs are way cheaper to maintain and far less vulnerable to attack. Space stations are sitting ducks.

16 posted on 08/28/2013 9:16:42 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Our SLBM subs in the Western Pacific can hit any Chinese city within minutes...

I'm sure you're right, Zhang Fei, unless, of course, communist China puts anti-missile weapons in space.

17 posted on 08/28/2013 9:19:58 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Standing Wolf
I'm sure you're right, Zhang Fei, unless, of course, communist China puts anti-missile weapons in space.

If that were a panacea, we'd already have done it. NASA put men on the moon almost 50 years ago. I think ABM researchers have pretty much looked at every possibility, ever since the old days of thinking about launching nukes to hit incoming nukes.

18 posted on 08/28/2013 9:29:14 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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I'm sure you're right, Zhang Fei, unless, of course, communist China puts anti-missile weapons in space.

And again, space stations are sitting ducks.

19 posted on 08/28/2013 9:37:37 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: ClaytonP
Unmistakable warning signs Writing for the journal Foreign Policy this month, John Hickman, a professor of political science at Berry College in Georgia, said there "are unmistakable warning signs that China may surpass the United States and Russia to become the world's pre-eminent spacefaring power."

Yes, but we'll be the world's preeminent Muslim outreach power. So there!

20 posted on 08/28/2013 9:43:06 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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