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Lawmaker warns Christians over new gay therapy law: We’ll take your children
bizpacreview.com ^ | 8-26-2013 | Joe Saunders

Posted on 08/26/2013 9:43:57 AM PDT by T.O.K.

When New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie signed a law last week banning therapists for troubled teenagers from trying to help the teens rid themselves of unwanted homosexual attraction, he may have opened the door to the state to remove children from parents’ custody for getting them therapy the state doesn’t like.

That’s what Democratic Assemblyman Tim Eustace indicated Wednesday when he likened Christian parents who enroll their children in “gay conversion therapy” or “reparative therapy” to abusers who don’t deserve custody of their own offspring. “What this [laws] does is prevent things that are harmful to people,” the openly gay Eustace told a Philadelphia-area radio station.

“If a parent were beating their child on a regular basis, we would step in and remove that child from the house. If you pay somebody to beat your child or abuse your child, what’s the difference?”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chrischristie; christians; christie; elections; gay; homosexualagenda; law
This is beyond my comprehension. I don't understand why the whole Christian/Catholic church has not risen up!
1 posted on 08/26/2013 9:43:57 AM PDT by T.O.K.
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To: T.O.K.

FUCC!! You fascist POS!!


2 posted on 08/26/2013 9:45:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: T.O.K.

Inside of every “compassionate” Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.


3 posted on 08/26/2013 9:45:28 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: T.O.K.

Democrats are Evil and Law-Less because Republicans are BALL-Less.


4 posted on 08/26/2013 9:45:32 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: T.O.K.

Any parent who subjects his or her child to homosexual propaganda has committed child abuse.


5 posted on 08/26/2013 9:46:15 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: T.O.K.

The 100% natural conclusion of laws like this. And THIS is why the Russians will not allow a Russian baby to be adopted to an American anymore. This is also what their laws are trying to stop.

The world is upside down.


6 posted on 08/26/2013 9:51:15 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: T.O.K.

” I don’t understand why the whole Christian/Catholic church has not risen up!”

Most of them are too busy waiting to be raptured.


7 posted on 08/26/2013 9:51:53 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: T.O.K.

This is the hill we must be willing to die on.


8 posted on 08/26/2013 9:52:05 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: T.O.K.

This is incredible. Beyond my comprehension as well.


9 posted on 08/26/2013 9:53:09 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: T.O.K.

Tim Eustace. Remember that name.


10 posted on 08/26/2013 9:53:18 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: T.O.K.

Well I doubt they could do that much, but to me the real reason is because they Republican party is neutered by RINOs who do nothing but hide under their desk as the fascists continue to cut down a huge swath of every moral fiber that made this country great.


11 posted on 08/26/2013 9:55:32 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: T.O.K.

the openly gay Eustace told a Philadelphia-area radio station........we are coming for your children.........


12 posted on 08/26/2013 9:56:00 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Black Agnes
"Most of them are too busy waiting to be raptured."

Maybe, but they are wrong, wrong, wrong,
We are called to stand and fight until He returns or calls us home....

13 posted on 08/26/2013 9:56:06 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Black Agnes

Most of them are too busy watching Oprah, Ellen and Maury......


14 posted on 08/26/2013 9:56:51 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: demshateGod

I know I will not be forgetting the name Chris Christie. FUCC!!


15 posted on 08/26/2013 9:59:32 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Psalm 73

Oh, I agree.

I’ve asked my own mother why she’s not more active in push back against this stuff.

‘I’ll be raptured, I don’t have to worry about all that stuff!’

And any discussion of MY worrying about all that leads to accusations that I’m not saved, that I don’t believe Jesus will return and I’m going to hell.

Not pleasant.


16 posted on 08/26/2013 9:59:47 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: T.O.K.

Christie, The State of New Jersey and the government (public) school system are child abusers.


17 posted on 08/26/2013 10:02:22 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: T.O.K.

It is now abuse to prevent your child from getting AIDS? There should be a noose awaiting each and every one of these queer promoting POS.


18 posted on 08/26/2013 10:03:30 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: T.O.K.
When New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie signed a law last week banning therapists for troubled teenagers from trying to help the teens rid themselves of unwanted homosexual attraction

It seems the main arguments being made for this law is that homosexuality is genetic, people are born predisposed to be homosexual and trying to "fight nature" is extremely difficult if not impossible.

Well...

All the same arguments could be made about obesity as well, yet if I not mistaken Chris Christie himself recently had weight loss surgery

19 posted on 08/26/2013 10:04:27 AM PDT by apillar
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To: T.O.K.

Just the term “lawmaker” in this thread is bogus.

Chris Christie is all about chafing my ass; that weak and pathetic coward.


20 posted on 08/26/2013 10:04:37 AM PDT by Herbster
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To: Black Agnes

There are plenty of scriptures about how we are suppose to be engaged in the world even if not ‘of’ it. Arm yourself with a few of those before it comes up next time.


21 posted on 08/26/2013 10:05:26 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

I’ve tried that tack. She’s got her mind made up.

And she’s far from alone. Most of her little old lady friends are the same way.

In a way I can understand. They didn’t expect to spend their golden years in Sodom and Gomorrah. DeNile runs deep with that demographic.

And they don’t want to admit that they are, in part, responsible for things having gone so far.


22 posted on 08/26/2013 10:07:27 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: apillar

Yep! Chrisy is a scared. lol

Yet we have no known “science” that can conclusively point to anything about being predisposed to homosexual attration other than indoctrination and lack of proper role models during these important years of a child/teen.


23 posted on 08/26/2013 10:08:09 AM PDT by Herbster
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To: T.O.K.

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil”

Isaiah 5:20


24 posted on 08/26/2013 10:10:29 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: Black Agnes

Many of them VOTED for it.....


25 posted on 08/26/2013 10:19:47 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Not this demograhic. Little old white ladies in the deep south are NOT commie or even socialist by and large.

They are, however, mostly looking East waiting for the rapture.

Rapture will save them from the impending tyranny.

They’ll get in the cattle cars still looking east. They’ll march into the showers still believing they’ll be raptured before the shower heads activate.

It’s depressing actually, to the rest of us.


26 posted on 08/26/2013 10:24:08 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: demshateGod

It couldn’t become a law if Chris Christie hadn’t signed the bill.

Remember that during the Republican Primary in 2016.

I see these polls that say Christie is our only chance to beat Billary - Horse-pucky. This is the Washington establishment trying to stuff another Bush up our rear-ends.


27 posted on 08/26/2013 10:24:59 AM PDT by JoeVet (First rule of holes ... when you find yourself standing in one - stop digging ... unless ur a Dim)
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To: T.O.K.
Sigh...this is not going to end well.

There seems to be no way to convince these people to leave us alone. Soon there is going to be serious push-back & it's not going to be pleasant for anyone.

28 posted on 08/26/2013 10:34:21 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance........)
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To: Black Agnes

Oh...I think you give them too much credit...SS and medicare are strong reasons to ignore all the rest of the “sins” of the left.....


29 posted on 08/26/2013 10:43:09 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: T.O.K.

They want everyone raised by the collectivity and this is a way of destroying the family so the state can take over.


30 posted on 08/26/2013 10:56:22 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: Red Badger

They can’t have their own, so why does this surprise anyone?

Recruitment. Gay’s recruit.

The obverse of the argument never came up in the story:

“So, if two homosexual parents try to actively convert their obviously heterosexual child into a homosexual child, Mr. Eustace, we’d assume you’d be coming for their children too, correct?”

Of course, that question never came up.


31 posted on 08/26/2013 10:56:55 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: T.O.K.

One more reason why Christie should not be thr republican candidate!!!


32 posted on 08/26/2013 11:03:37 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Trust me when I tell you that little old white ladies in Mississippi do NOT vote democrat.

You’d have to live here to understand that completely.

They know why Detroit is broken.


33 posted on 08/26/2013 11:19:07 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: T.O.K.

As long as a kid is a kid, and not an adult, and as long as any therapy is not tyrannical, not abusive, not physical and includes and requires agreed cooperation by the person receiving the therapy, the state is wrong, morally and scientifically, to conclude that self-identification as “gay” is a pre-concluded process from which nothing in nurture can alter, as SCIENCE cannot identify a “gay” gene or a set of “gay” genes that genetically determines “gayness”.

There may be epigenetic factors, even in the womb (that affect nueral networks and/or how their manner of development), but science cannot it knows there is any definite epigenetic factors.

That leaves nurture as the best possible location for any “gay” development factors. That also leaves the possibility that nurture can somehow represent some factor extremely early in child development, even in infancy, without any “gay” identity to it at the time. That also means that factors arrising from nurture much later in child development can be involved. That also leaves the possibility of any of the above being true in general but each only true in some cases and not in others. That leaves the possibility that what nurture has already done might be undone, in some cases, and might be more difficult to be undone in others.

However, altogether it all still leaves nurture, not genetics, as, somehow, scientifically, the most likely route by which “gay” self-identity is established, and especially for the immature person (kids and teens) it - nurture (parents, family, relationships, education, thinking), including “therapy”, represents a scientifically legitimate route for parents, kids and teens to question that identity.

However again, I will only add, that while we are speaking of mostly immature persons in this case - kids and teens - “therapy” to change “gay” identity in adults has not had much success and has been abandoned by many former advocates of it. Maybe, just maybe, the failure was - in some cases - that no legitimate therapy was possible, offered or tried at an earlier and immature phase in life.


34 posted on 08/26/2013 11:36:29 AM PDT by Wuli
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What really chaps my ass is that if they want to get therapy to convert TO being gay, or to "embrace" their homosexuality, THAT type of counseling is still acceptable.

If you write a law describing the act of counseling a child to "reject" a particular sexuality is abusive, then surely counseling a child to "embrace" a particular sexuality is just as abusive. The whole premise is that the child will "naturally" embrace or reject "their" sexual orientation. But, if you encourage a child to become gay, then aren't you still dallying with the "natural" selective order of the child's orientation?

This is what I would be challenging in court! This is a law that NEEDS a court challenge!
35 posted on 08/26/2013 12:07:58 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Black Agnes

Yours is the stupidest post of the day.


37 posted on 08/26/2013 3:23:07 PM PDT by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: subterfuge

If only that were true.

I’m sure there were a lot of German Christians waiting for Rapture in the 1930’s.

How’d that work out for them?


38 posted on 08/26/2013 4:47:50 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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