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Obamacare endangers Obamacare

The best thing opponents of Obamacare have going for them is Obamacare. The implementation glitches and the ensuing delays have created a perverse system: Individuals must purchase insurance with no out-of-pocket cost cap while employers are under no obligation to provide insurance. Aside from the gross unfairness and the difficulty in rolling out the plans (e.g. exchanges aren’t set up, there is no guarantee personal information will be protected, the centrality of a corrupted IRS) Obamacare’s debut is bringing home several unpleasant realities.

1 posted on 08/25/2013 4:03:25 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

“death spiral” is by design. It was planned that way. The goal is “single payer”, and a death spiral is a perfect “crisis” from which to present a single-payer solution.


2 posted on 08/25/2013 4:06:15 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Libloather

HELLO!!! The IRS TARGETED Conservatines....just like the DEATH PANELS will taget Conservatives and ANYONE WHO DOESN’T VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!!<P.ALL of you Independents BEWARE!!!


3 posted on 08/25/2013 4:07:03 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Libloather

When the jobless rate for the youngest workers is approaching 22%, how the heck does Obama think they can afford health insurance? They are living with mom and dad and are lucky to get a part time job, so there is no chance they will be able to pay the bill that Obama and the Democrats have stuck them with.


5 posted on 08/25/2013 4:12:26 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Libloather

Of course Pelosi knew..she knew that we wouldn’t know unless we pass it.


6 posted on 08/25/2013 4:16:47 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Libloather
Actually, the Law of Unintended Consequences may be at work. I spoke with my son, an insurance specialist who works in Obamacare/Medicare, and a doctor who has campaigned actively for health care reform (of the right kind) for years. They agree that what MIGHT happen is that as more private insurance companies leave the market, the hospitals will begin to offer their own "hospital only" insurance, sort of like GMAC with Chevys. Big Pharma would still be opposed, but two of the three who supported Obama, hospitals and doctors, would likely be on board this because they are screwed if Obamacare is implemented. And it cannot be implemented because it is utterly unworkable.

Even trying to roll out "baby steps" has been a miserable failure. There is no way this comes out as planned.

9 posted on 08/25/2013 4:22:47 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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Single-payer, here we come!

Because monopolies are good, especially government monopolies.

10 posted on 08/25/2013 4:23:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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Bottom line here is that this’ll be a test case for just how dumb the average Obamadroid is. If low information voters aren’t as stupid as Zero’s counting on them being, the exchanges won’t work. I almost feel guilty that they’re going to spend the next twenty years of their lives providing benefits for me, but only almost.


13 posted on 08/25/2013 4:26:15 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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Who picked ages “18-34” to study people not buying insurance? What about older healthy people?


25 posted on 08/25/2013 4:48:45 PM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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My college son visited his NJ friends family. In 2012 they voted for Obama and thought Obamacare was good till reality hit. The friends father almost lost his good union health insurance, his friends mother lost hers as the place she worked at cut her hours to 29. The friends sister just lost her job because the place she worked at want to keep the number of workers below 50. They are pissed and angry at Obama, and probably will sit out of the elections in 2014. They are not ready to vote GOP but will boycott Dems, they basically do not trust politicians. IMHO many Dem blue collar will sit out of the election in 2014. It will help the GOP in short run, but in long run not help because these blue collar voters are available if the right Dem candidate comes along. Biggest challenge to GOP is to win these Dems over. Stop catering to corporations and Wall Street will be a good start. Supporting unabash globalism and free trade without weighing its degree of social disruption against its benefits would be a good place to start. If free trade and NAFTA is sooo good for America, why is the middle class shrinking and incomes stagnated for 10+ years before 2008 financial implosion, while Wall Street and CEO got richer and richer?


26 posted on 08/25/2013 4:50:19 PM PDT by Fee
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duh!

WE TOLD YOU FREAKING LIBERAL IDIOTS!!!

If the fine for not getting insurance is less than the cost of buying insurance they will just pay the fine, THEN when they eventually get sick or hurt, THEN they will go get insurance which the insurance companies are MANDADATED by law to give to them even with a pre-existing condition!

This was COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE


28 posted on 08/25/2013 4:52:15 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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Everything you say about the flaws of Obamacare is correct.

But unpopularity alone won’t stop the single-payer freight train coming down the tracks. Once the low-information voters have been shown the “utopia” of eliminating preexisting conditions, there’s no going back to the days when insurance companies could operate like, well, insurance companies and not offer a free ride to everyone.

The National Health Service in England is quite unpopular in public opinion polls, with all the horror stories coming from the brutal and decrepit hospitals. But the brain-dead British people, euthanized by big-government, will not give up socialized medicine. Instead the National Health Service is celebrated in Orwellian fashion at the summer Olympics.


29 posted on 08/25/2013 4:57:57 PM PDT by heye2monn
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35 posted on 08/25/2013 5:49:19 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Libloather

The government still needs insurance companies to administer the plans, ie create plans, determine benefits, collect premiums. What the Feds want to do is in effect nationalize them, just like the banks. The insurance companies could become a regulated monopoly, like a national utility, with a specified profit.
I think the key is to implode 0-care. This can be done by individuals not signing up for the exchanges and gaming the system when sick. That way, insurance companies will exit the market before they can be effectively nationalized. Yes, there will be a vacuum, but instead of necessarily leading to a total government run system, free market solutions, supported by state initiatives, could fill the void.


46 posted on 08/25/2013 8:05:45 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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I wonder if fears of personal security are limiting the willingness of socialists to serve on the Death Panel (IPAB)?


54 posted on 08/26/2013 6:40:47 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Where's my pressure cooker backpack wmd ricin laced al qaeda terrorist BASSELOPE?)
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ObamaCares’s only goal was to bankrupt private health insurance companies. Pre-existing conditions? Imagine running home-owners insurance that way:

Geko: You say your house burned down yesterday? What’s that got to do with me, mate?

ObamaVoter: I’d like to purchase an homeowners policy to pay for the damages....


58 posted on 08/27/2013 9:23:34 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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