Skip to comments.Some NSA Employees Spied on Their Love Interests
Posted on 08/24/2013 6:18:02 AM PDT by xzins
The National Security Agency (NSA) has admitted some of their officers misused the agencys massive spying powers to keep tabs on their love interests, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reported Friday night.
NSA employees reportedly dubbed the practice with its very own spy label: LOVEINT.
U.S. officials said some of the violations included overseas communications, but claimed the practice was very rare, according to the WSJ.
Officials reportedly said all employees involved were appropriately disciplined. The incidents were often self-reported, revealed while the officers took polygraph tests during routine security clearance renewals, according to the WSJ.
NSA has zero tolerance for willful violations of the agencys authorities, the NSA said in a statement Friday.
The revelations come in the wake of learning this week that the NSA had violated privacy rules on thousands of occasions. NSA Chief Compliance Officer John DeLong had stressed earlier most violations were unintentional.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) told the WSJ that the NSA admitted to the Senate Intelligence Committee policies were violated in a set of isolated incidents.
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NSA Chief Compliance Officer John DeLong had stressed earlier most violations were unintentional.
This was intentional.
It shows they can listen to anybody...and do. Collect anything/everything...and they do.
Wonder if they're the source of Petraeus' "love interest" revelation.
So Obama actually loves conservatives? I find that hard to believe.
No doubt, just a few “low ranking rogue agents”, right?
Does that mean they were fired?
When I first started working for the telco in the 60’s my boss told us be careful who you listen to because you may not like what you hear.
RE: girlfriends and spouse.
How long before we find out that there were also democrat partisan hacks at NSA spying on political opponents and shuffling info to WH?
My guess is that will be next revelation.
Paging General Petraeus,
Please pick up the red courtesy phone.
No, it just means the higher-ups are going to act all indignant and "intolerant".
Now you know what Joe Biden was so fond of in his basement.
He could request feeds of anyone’s communications.
When you are drunk and bored, it’s hilarious to listen to certain phone calls.
The FBI would only say at the time that they had a “source.”
Every darn day it’s something else. And ti’s worse than the day before...
I’m quite certain that if they’d been fired, the NSA would have reported so—but you’re probably quite certain of that too.
Ya don’t say?
> How long before we find out that there were also democrat partisan hacks at NSA spying on political opponents and shuffling info to WH?
My guess is that will be next revelation.
You know they are. A few taps on the keyboard and you’re in. Just assume it so. You’re not going to be hearing about because the goon squads will be dispatched to “take care of the problem”.
No, it means they were tolerated. It's NEWSPEAK as outlined by Orwell. Words just mean what they say they mean and it is often the opposite of what it sounds like.
Wonder if they’re the source of Petraeus’ “love interest” revelation.
Interesting speculation there. And that raises a related question: Was the IRS ever tasked to “review” his financial interests.
That is my question... otherwise, what does no tolerance mean?
It likely means they got some extra paid time off.
> Wonder if they’re the source of Petraeus’ “love interest” revelation.
That and other politicians they needed to bend to their will to get them “in on the program”. Wonder why so many politicians have flipped on issues? This is probably one of them.
Who was the woman in Florida who seemed to collect high ranking military officers on her social calendar? Likely she was the setup person for compromising a bunch of brass. (Kelly? iirc, although I can’t recall)
Yet, the program has defenders on our side. McCain, Chambliss, King, Boehner, Mike Rogers, Graham, Christie, etc...
Well someone fed a bunch of information on Romney to the white-hut. Remember that? Private stuff only the IRS would know.
Yes. It shows that the apparatus to listen to anyone, anywhere, at any time is in place. And that they are willing and able to employ it for legitimate and nefarious purposes.
Seems most GOP in Congress may be under NSA “watch”...by the way they behave...
I get it now. Zero tolerance has something to do with Obama. Like what would Zero tolerate? In this case I guess Zero was mighty tolerant.
Indeed. The “Big Data” analytical tools available today are enormously powerful. Their capabilities are beyond the comprehension of most Americans who don’t keep up with advancements in the information technology field. These tools require careful oversight of their use to avoid “mission creep” and intrusive and unauthorized violations of citizen privacy.
These incidents were bound to happen. But sadly they will continue as bureaucracies are used to operating sub rosa and deceiving congress when necessary.
Seems most GOP in Congress may be under NSA watch...by the way they behave...
Even if they aren’t, they are nevertheless very fearful of it and acting out of caution.
I agree. They can listen to anybody. It might take a court order in some or most cases and perhaps none in some or all. This is certainly the case. NSA has conceded this point. But the requirements and compliance with court orders is still a bit fuzzy, at least IMHO.
But the idea that they collect "everything" is just nonsense. This assumes they are collecting digitized audio of all the U.S. phone calls and are putting them is a database system that can be searched.
I don't think so. Lots of speculation that they do. No evidence that they have the capability to do it and that they are doing it. If for no other reason it would be a huge waste of resources as well as being against the law.
So if you have some solid evidence, Snowden or otherwise, lets hear it.
But ever since this Administration has been in power, I've changed it to, "Life is like middle school." It's the cruel onrush of puberty, and the kind of kids who kill small animals or their parents, bully other kids until they commit suicide, steal all the candy and are too immature to work.
Zero tolerance has something to do with Obama.
It all depends on how NSA parses and defines ‘zero tolerance”, just like how they conveniently interpret the word “collection” so as to avoid accountability. This is an agency that is very good at semantics as they have a lot of experience with interpreting words.
“Does that mean they were fired?”
They will likely get a bad review after the investigation, while they are on paid administrative leave, which will be completed in a few months. This will probably have a negative impact on their raise this year. So there!
Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!
To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I dont add you to the list...
That’s a good point. Romney could do the country a favor by taking on the administration and the IRS over their criminal exploitation of his personal tax information. This abuse of power must end.
I assume since these boys broke the law they were arrested and tried for a crime...
we all know better ...
Or maybe their paychecks were cut..
nope not that either...
How about they were 'told off' with a wink and a nod? Nah - or just the wink and nod? Now we've got it. (Send 'em the bedbug letter)
That’s unexpected. Who would have guessed that an immense database tracking every aspect of our lives would be abused?
How many isolated incidents does it take to make a "set"? And how many can you have before they aren't isolated anymore?
NSA spying on American citizens without an individual warrant based on that probable cause has defenders in the Republican Party, but that violation of the Bill of Rights has no defenders on the side of the American people.
I think you are being completely naive! And also, since when have you ever known the Govt to NOT waste resources and NOT violate the law?
>> NSA has zero tolerance for willful violations of the agencys authorities, the NSA said in a statement Friday.
> Does that mean they were fired?
No. They were “inappropriately using” the agency’s authority, not *violating* it.
It's been obvious that they must have something on every member of Congress, and certainly on the Supreme Court chief justice. What's sad is that there are so few patriots willing to stand up and say, "I'm being blackmailed, and that fact is more important than whatever sin they want to ruin me with." In that sense, Snowden was a patriot. But then, he was young, unmarried and with no children.
Many of the Founders were hounded to death, had their wealth confiscated, their estates overrun or their families scattered, as did of course the Apostles. It seemed more possible to hold out before there was GPS tracking wherever you flee and listening through the phone in your pocket and the computer on your lap.
Theoretically, these capabilities mean that few business plans, patented products, weapons systems or anything at all is safe from theft. It would require proprietary encryption with servers held offshore; but the real problem is the belief by "government" that "government" is entitled to hack any and all systems, no matter where. Once the "of the people, by the people, for the people idea of government by honor system is destroyed, you automatically have tyranny.
Not exactly fired. “Frowned upon” is more like it.
disciplined and isolated....
Riiiight. Just like the IRS thingy that just went away.
You mean like:
The incidents were often self-reported, revealed while the officers took polygraph tests....
And probably the reason Justice Roberts decided that Obamacare was LEGAL.
We have done a lot of research on roberts and HIS WIFE who allegedly adopted two blond IRISH boys without spending a year in IRELAND which is their LAW on Adoption...the two mothers took the babies to Latin America and handed them over to his wife who is a Washington DC attorney...under Irish law the country has the right to demand return of the children...OBAMA and his NSA etc have the power to discover anything about anyone
Of course they waste resources and violate the law all the time. Is that proof that they have recorded all of your phone calls for the last 10 years?
You simply cannot extrapolate from COULD DO IT AND WOULD LIKE TO DO IT to THEY ARE DOING IT. Even with an obviously corrupt Obama Administration.
And it is never naive to question what look like very foolish statements. People need to prove or least provide some evidence when for their claims.
Here is my problem in a nutshell: There is way, way too much speculation passing for fact here on FR. That is not doing any of us any good. It makes us look foolish and, to use your term, naive.
Gets worse day by day. And the water in the pot gets warmer and warmer, as the frog gets used to it.
Give people in power powerful tools and they will use them, errr I mean abuse them.....