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To: saleman
Absolutely. We'd be much safer inside a cage where we are completely taken care of and all of our actions monitored by a benevolent GuvCo god.

How many of those dangerous cities are the result of GuvCo policies that GuvCo now can't fix?

We, through GuvCo intervention and policy, encourage the conditions and all that come from them.

Less is more when it comes to help from GuvCo.

We have lost our original mission. It's We, the people. Not, we, our GuvCo.

26 posted on 08/23/2013 7:12:56 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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the sad part is that a Terry v Ohio “Stop and Frisk” was originally based on common sense: police detective with a lot of experience sees Terry casing a bank (walking back and forth peering into window and front door but not entering) and decides to approach him. Since Terry was wearing a long overcoat in the middle of summer the detective suspected he was armed so he patted him down and recovered a weapon.

yes, that is a search without a warrant, however SCOTUS decided to carve out a very specific exception due to the detective’s ability to articulate, based on his experience and training and observations of Terry, that he believed Terry was armed.

That very specific exception to the warrant requirement then, of course, began to be pushed at by law enforcement to the point that we were ‘patting down for officer safety’ anyone we came in contact with.

Courts are finally pushing back, noting that Terry did not create an ‘officer safety’ exception and attempting to reign the practice back in to the original, very/highly specific, exception.

Does that make policing more dangerous? Sure.
But until there is a constitutional amendment allowing blanket stop and frisk (which basically eviscerates the 4th Amendment outside one’s home) the practice has to stop.

Freedom is a dangerous proposition, either you are free from government interference which means you are free to be exposed to all sorts of dangerous people and circumstances or you are totally subject to the dangerous people in government.

I prefer the former.

27 posted on 08/23/2013 7:48:21 AM PDT by Abundy
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