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Scientist: Al Gore ‘got it wrong’ (Sex Poodle goofed by adding a 6 to hurricane scale)
The Hill ^ | 8/22/13 | Ben Geman

Posted on 08/22/2013 4:20:27 PM PDT by Libloather

A Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) expert says Al Gore goofed during his widely circulated Washington Post interview on global warming.

Gore, noting stronger storms fueled by climate change, told the paper “the hurricane scale used to be 1-5 and now they’re adding a 6.”

But in fact there’s no new scale, the Union of Concerned Scientists representative said on Thursday.

“He deserves great praise for these Nobel-Peace-Prize-winning efforts. But unfortunately he recently got it wrong about the science of climate change,” wrote UCS's Gretchen Goldman in a blog post Thursday about Gore’s remarks.

“There are no plans by the National Hurricane Center—the federal office responsible for categorizing storms — to create a new category,” she wrote on the environmental group’s website.

Her admonishment is gentle, praising Gore for drawing attention to other "important information" about climate change.

“[I]t is worth noting that the rest of the interview included accurate and important information and it’s unfortunate that this blip made its way in,” Goldman writes.

But Goldman, an expert in atmospheric science with a PhD from the Georgia Institute of Technology, also injects a note of caution into the debate about climate and storms:

Though there is some evidence that climate change will influence hurricanes, the effect of climate change on hurricane intensity and hurricane frequency is complex and scientists are continuing to study the connection. Hurricanes in the North Atlantic region have been intensifying over the past 40 years but not elsewhere in the world. By contrast, scientists have high confidence that sea level will rise all over the world, and particularly fast in some areas like the East Coast.

Goldman’s post covers a lot of ground, so readers can see it all here.

Gore unilaterally changed the hurricane scale in a much wider interview that also veered into the politics of climate change. E2-Wire covered it here.

Here’s what he said about the weather:

If you look at superstorm Sandy on October 29th, the ocean water east of New Jersey was nine degrees fahrenheit above average. That’s what put so much more energy into that storm. That’s what put so much more water vapor into that storm. Would there be a storm anyway? Maybe so. Would there be hurricanes and floods and droughts without man-made global warming? Of course. But they’re stronger now. The extreme events are more extreme. The hurricane scale used to be 1-5 and now they’re adding a 6. The fingerprint of man-made global warming is all over these storms and extreme weather events.


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KEYWORDS: algore; climatechange; globalwarming; gorebullwarming; manbearpig; scientist
Gore unilaterally changed the hurricane scale

Even more power than almost becoming president?

1 posted on 08/22/2013 4:20:27 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

I hear the volume on Al Gore’s radio goes all the way up to eleven.


2 posted on 08/22/2013 4:23:22 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: Libloather

Speaking of getting it wrong, has the NOAA ever gotten it right with their fearmongering hurricane predictions every year?


3 posted on 08/22/2013 4:24:31 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Libloather
If you look at superstorm Sandy on October 29th, the ocean water east of New Jersey was nine degrees fahrenheit above average. That’s what put so much more energy into that storm. That’s what put so much more water vapor into that storm. Would there be a storm anyway? Maybe so. Would there be hurricanes and floods and droughts without man-made global warming? Of course. But they’re stronger now. The extreme events are more extreme. The hurricane scale used to be 1-5 and now they’re adding a 6. The fingerprint of man-made global warming is all over these storms and extreme weather events.

Sandy wasn't even technically a hurricane at landfall. And its winds at landfall were low Cat 1. What made Sandy damaging was its size and timing and angle of approach to the coast.

No need for a Cat 6. Heck, we haven't even had a Cat 3 hit the mainland US for years.

4 posted on 08/22/2013 4:25:32 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Libloather
Coming up next...


5 posted on 08/22/2013 4:26:21 PM PDT by FredZarguna (They Old School. We New School. We don't read cursive in New School. My Generation. We retahded, sir)
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To: MeganC

Just beat me while I was looking for images.


6 posted on 08/22/2013 4:26:51 PM PDT by FredZarguna (They Old School. We New School. We don't read cursive in New School. My Generation. We retahded, sir)
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To: Libloather

A ‘goof’ is an innocent mistake. Gore is a demagogue, and this is his pet cause. ‘Goof’ is too kind a term.


7 posted on 08/22/2013 4:30:19 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Libloather
What Gore should invent is a new hardness scale like Moh's, except for what you get from prostitutes giving you a massage.

His psuedonym was Mr. Stone for a reason.

8 posted on 08/22/2013 4:31:50 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: Libloather
Al Gore ‘got it wrong’

The sun rose in the east this morning.

9 posted on 08/22/2013 4:33:25 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Libloather
Big Al is still getting his news facts from Mad Magazine.


10 posted on 08/22/2013 4:34:27 PM PDT by Iron Munro (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: dirtboy

Algore was confusing the hurricane scale with chakras.


11 posted on 08/22/2013 4:35:16 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Libloather

“A Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) expert says Al Gore goofed during his widely circulated Washington Post interview on global warming.”

Nonsense! Gore didn’t goof, he LIED, lying is the only thing the Gore family excels at.


12 posted on 08/22/2013 4:36:52 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Libloather
...scientists have high confidence that sea level will rise all over the world, and particularly fast in some areas like the East Coast.

So sea level is different in different places?

13 posted on 08/22/2013 4:43:06 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Libloather

What’s a hurricane?

I can’t remember the last time I even heard about a huriwhatever, and I live in the southeast.

What up wit dat, Mr. Weather Expert AlGore?


14 posted on 08/22/2013 4:48:05 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: colorado tanker

Headline:

“Algore gets it right”.

Now that’s a news story.


15 posted on 08/22/2013 4:49:06 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: MeganC

16 posted on 08/22/2013 4:51:12 PM PDT by FredZarguna (They Old School. We New School. We don't read cursive in New School. My Generation. We retahded, sir)
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To: Libloather


17 posted on 08/22/2013 4:54:36 PM PDT by Iron Munro (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: All

The phoniest of all the baloney is this idea of increasing severe weather. I believe it is more the opposite. The only thing that is increasing is the population which places more people in the path of any given severe weather event than in the past.

Anecdotal evidence is always used by the climate change crowd, most of it very contrived evidence. So I shall dish some out the other way.

In 1900, Galveston was largely wiped out by a hurricane and ten thousand people died. Better forecasting today might have reduced that death toll but Galveston would probably still be wiped out (the sea wall they built later was only for half that bad a storm as Ike proved). Conclusion — modern Ike a shadow of the historic storm.

In 1926 and 1928 and again in 1935, Florida was hit by massive killer hurricanes. Hundreds died in each instance. The only comparable storm since then was Andrew in 1992, and a close second from Charley in 2004. Yet the climate change crowd only mention Andrew and Charlie. What’s up with that? (what’s up with that?)

The two worst tornado outbreaks in the past hundred years were in 1925 and 1974. I would stay away from the Ohio valley in 2021 then.

The 1936 heat wave — even worse than 1911. This is actually getting rather brutal, call me off before I hurt somebody.


18 posted on 08/22/2013 4:55:53 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: Libloather

A college failure.


19 posted on 08/22/2013 4:57:36 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

...scientists have high confidence that sea level will rise all over the world, and particularly fast in some areas like the East Coast.

So sea level is different in different places?


Yep! All kinda depends on where the Moon is in relation to your neck of the world...twice a day, matter o’ fact!


20 posted on 08/22/2013 4:58:57 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Libloather
“He deserves great praise for these Nobel-Peace-Prize-winning efforts ...,” wrote UCS's Gretchen Goldman in a blog post Thursday about Gore’s remarks.

Talk about getting it wrong.

21 posted on 08/22/2013 5:02:31 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Libloather

Future generations will wonder how Owl Gore wasn’t imprisoned under the RICO act...


22 posted on 08/22/2013 5:04:54 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Libloather

Went to the UCS website and posted the following:

Rob Sermon says:
August 22, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Please, please post this, Mods…A question for all scientists, including those with the UCS…

When, in the history of earth, has the climate ever been static? Was it when the Arctic icecap was as far south as Indiana? Ya know, the icecap that formed the Great Lakes, and tens of thousand glacial lakes, that have the best fishing in North America?

Just when was the climate static?
Reply

Nothin’ yet.....


23 posted on 08/22/2013 5:06:59 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Libloather

Class 6.. 500 mph storms. WE’RE DOOMED!


24 posted on 08/22/2013 5:26:53 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Libloather
Oh WOE is me... whys everybody always pickin on me???


listen... warming, cooling, it was 50/50. so i took a shot!!!

25 posted on 08/22/2013 5:33:16 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MeganC

Eleventy.


26 posted on 08/22/2013 5:35:10 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: Libloather

Uhhh da urf has a fever!


27 posted on 08/22/2013 5:38:14 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Libloather
That almost up there with Al's Nov 2009 bit of wisdom:

"...two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, 'cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot ..."

28 posted on 08/22/2013 5:51:19 PM PDT by RJL (There's no greed like the greed of a liberal politician buying votes with your money.)
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To: Libloather
By contrast, scientists have high confidence that sea level will rise all over the world, and particularly fast in some areas like the East Coast.

Would someon care to explain the fascinating law of nature that creates higher sea level rises at on place on the coast compared to others?

Does this scientist also fear that the shallow end of her swimming pool will start overflowing, or that the half of the glass closest to her is too full?

29 posted on 08/22/2013 5:55:18 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
Would someon care to explain the fascinating law of nature that creates higher sea level rises at on place on the coast compared to others?

It's called "the tides", and it's caused by the moon.

30 posted on 08/22/2013 5:56:59 PM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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To: Publius
It's called "the tides", and it's caused by the moon.

Tides are NOT the sea level, they are deviations from sea-level.

Unless you are predicting that the moon is going to permanently plant itself over the Northeast, I would like an explanation of how sea level is going to increase more in one place than another.

31 posted on 08/22/2013 6:10:19 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: dirtboy
Sandy wasn't even technically a hurricane at landfall. And its winds at landfall were low Cat 1. What made Sandy damaging was its size and timing and angle of approach to the coast.

And because it hit lots of expensive homes in the NYC area.

32 posted on 08/22/2013 6:14:12 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Libloather

The current hurricane season, which is entering its historical peak period, has been pretty quiet so far.


33 posted on 08/22/2013 6:15:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Libloather
How can anyone take seriously a cause whose spokesman predicted that the seas would rise by 20 feet and then goes out and buys about $9 million of oceanfront property?
34 posted on 08/22/2013 7:05:01 PM PDT by raisetheroof ("To become Red is to become dead --- gradually." Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
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To: Libloather

The real life Elmer Gantry gets it wrong again!


35 posted on 08/22/2013 7:36:00 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Straight Vermonter
So sea level is different in different places?

yes.

Not only that but it can rise in the middle of the Atlantic and fall along the coastline of Africa. Not only can it, it happens every day.

Another interesting fact, on some continents, the sea level 'rises' on one coast while it is 'falling' on the other.

One thing for sure. At no time is the overall sea level making any major move in either direction. All apparent events are localized. On the long scale of geography, it the sea appears to be 'rising', you can be assured that the real thing that happened is that the ground is sinking. It's been going on for billions of years, with 'apparent localized' sea level changes. There are Islands in the Pacific, for instance, that are brand new. volcanoes that have broken the surface. The Islands of Hawaii are of this breed. These islands experience a 'change' in sea level constantly. The level of the sea around them isn't and hasn't changed in any measurable way in millions of years. But the ground, everywhere is constantly on the move, some fast, some slow. Some up, some down.

This is the truth that many do not want to know, that the media isn't interested in bringing up (even though every child is taught the physics of hydraulic displacement and the ability of water to instantly keep it's 'level' by flowing to the lowest point), and that people like Al (my dad was a commie and raped the Earth leaving toxic poisons behind for area inhabitants to deal with) Gore have turned into a fortune by not discussing.

To summarize, yes, yes it is.

(I know your response was sarcasm, and I took advantage of it to remind everyone of some basic truths. )

36 posted on 08/23/2013 5:31:11 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Peter ODonnell

Well.... the lush, dense forest areas I am massively surrounded by used to be a dust bowl.


37 posted on 08/23/2013 5:35:41 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: SampleMan; Publius
I would like an explanation of how sea level is going to increase more in one place than another.

The answer is simple, and obvious. Somehow we have been taught to ignore the obvious.

It is not the sea that rises or falls, it is the ground. This is a well established geological fact. It is a basic principle of science. If you change the surface of the ground around a lake or river, the water will move to seek it's own new level and 'balance'. The idea that the sea level 'rose' is merely a point of view type of thing.

38 posted on 08/23/2013 5:45:57 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Libloather

Looks like the slam on Gore is a pretext for reading liberal claptrap...


39 posted on 08/23/2013 5:47:36 AM PDT by GOPJ (- - NSA - The only part of government that actually listens...Joe Kovacs)
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To: SampleMan
Unless you are predicting that the moon is going to permanently plant itself over the Northeast,

Well... I guess if you are powerful enough that you promise to keep the 'climate' from ever changing again (given enough funding), then surely you can freeze the Moon in place precisely wherever you want.

: )

40 posted on 08/23/2013 5:50:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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