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New Details Show Broader NSA Surveillance Reach
The Wall Street Journal ^ | August 20, 2013 | SIOBHAN GORMAN and JENNIFER VALENTINO-DEVRIES

Posted on 08/20/2013 5:51:05 PM PDT by John W

WASHINGTON—The National Security Agency—which possesses only limited legal authority to spy on U.S. citizens—has built a surveillance network that covers more Americans' Internet communications than officials have publicly disclosed, current and former officials say.

The system has the capacity to reach roughly 75% of all U.S. Internet traffic in the hunt for foreign intelligence, including a wide array of communications by foreigners and Americans. In some cases, it retains the written content of emails sent between citizens within the U.S. and also filters domestic phone calls made with Internet technology, these people say.

Details of these surveillance programs were gathered from interviews with current and former intelligence and government officials and people from companies that help build or operate the systems, or provide data. Most have direct knowledge of the work.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; nsa; nsascandal; nsaspying; spyingonamericans; surveillancestate; treason; warrantlesssearches
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1 posted on 08/20/2013 5:51:05 PM PDT by John W
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To: John W

A very detailed article.


2 posted on 08/20/2013 5:55:49 PM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: John W

Hey NSA - You are my enemy. Which one of us is the traitor?


3 posted on 08/20/2013 5:56:43 PM PDT by DManA
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To: John W

Funny. I don’t feel secure.


4 posted on 08/20/2013 5:57:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: John W

The stories I could tell but, WTF ever.


5 posted on 08/20/2013 5:58:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: John W; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

6 posted on 08/20/2013 5:59:38 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


7 posted on 08/20/2013 6:03:03 PM PDT by Nachum (I am Breitbartacus!)
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To: null and void
You could use some link-magic and make some of these pings interesting… like this.
8 posted on 08/20/2013 6:05:41 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I could, but I chose to use a static image that doesn’t redirect to another site.

Purely a stylistic choice, and I enjoyed the video, thanks!


9 posted on 08/20/2013 6:12:01 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: John W

This is the most corrupt and lawless Admin in the history of our once great country. And NO ONE will do anything about it!


10 posted on 08/20/2013 6:23:30 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: John W


11 posted on 08/20/2013 6:25:37 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: John W

The term “data collection” at the NSA is used only when...

1. The data undergoes analysis

AND ALSO

2. The data is **NOT** stored

Think that over —how often is data deemed important enough to merit analysis but NOT storage? I’d say damned near NEVER.

So be that definition they can TRUTHFULLY state they are COLLECTING very little data from Americans (while scooping up everything).

**UNDERSTAND THE ENEMY’S LINGO***


12 posted on 08/20/2013 6:35:46 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: John W

This is just current reach. They have capacity right now for 100 years at the current levels of data worldwide.


13 posted on 08/20/2013 6:44:14 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: gaijin
"The data is **NOT** stored"

Sure it is. It's just a question of for how long. The very act of collecting it implies storage of some duration.

14 posted on 08/20/2013 6:44:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

By the common-sense definition you and I have, yes.

Theirs?

Nope.


15 posted on 08/20/2013 6:47:06 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: null and void
I could, but I chose to use a static image that doesn’t redirect to another site.

Ah, gotcha.

Purely a stylistic choice, and I enjoyed the video, thanks!

You're welcome.

16 posted on 08/20/2013 6:47:38 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: gaijin

Then they need to be taken out and shot.


17 posted on 08/20/2013 6:48:54 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: John W

Cut the 15 intermediate leaks and let it be known that the NSA is taping all communications and capturing all the content in addition to metadata. When they get caught in this lie they will say that they captured and stored it but didn’t look at it unless authorized. This is from the incompetents that allowed a low level employee to walk out the door with everything. Now consider, David Axexrod, Valerie Jarrett, or any of the other Progressive political pond scum having access to any of this information .... why, you could probably turn John Roberts, Dufus McCain or Nancy Graham.


18 posted on 08/20/2013 7:03:13 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: originalbuckeye

“This is the most corrupt and lawless Admin in the history of our once great country”

I don’t believe we still have a country, in the classic sense of the word, or won’t for long by any definition.

The reset button will be quite brutal. Most of the files will be lost. My hard drive is backed up in the next life.


19 posted on 08/20/2013 7:03:23 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: null and void
Hi Nully,

> To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

Okay, this is your final warning! Either you add me to TNJCTPL or I'll not only report you to the Mods, I swear I'll report you to the Mods again!!

Assuming that I'm not already on the list, of course!

Wait, does this mean... there are TWO LISTS?!? IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!

Thanks! :)

20 posted on 08/20/2013 7:05:31 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: John W
America is now under a dictator King Obama. And we have nothing to stop this destruct of America. Even the Republicans are totally ineffective and worthless.
21 posted on 08/20/2013 7:10:40 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: dayglored

Perfect! Thanks, and you are in the list!


22 posted on 08/20/2013 7:11:49 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: Logical me

You’re quite defeated aren’t you?


23 posted on 08/20/2013 7:16:12 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: originalbuckeye

> This is the most corrupt and lawless Admin in the history of our once great country. And NO ONE will do anything about it!

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


24 posted on 08/20/2013 7:22:15 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: John W

We know that the enemy has worked hard not to use electronic communications, relying instead on mules to carry information.

Now that this is public, why collect data that isn’t related to terrorism since the terrorists are not using electronic communications?

Furthermore, IIRC they only need 4 metadata points (or is it 5) to identify you specifically and individually. Could this information be abused? Take a look at history, recent history specifically and see that government lies, obfuscates and is by its very nature political.


25 posted on 08/20/2013 7:37:59 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: John W

More lies exposed.


26 posted on 08/20/2013 7:38:00 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: null and void

Nully could you add me to your NJC Ping list..?

Thanks..!


27 posted on 08/20/2013 7:43:09 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: originalbuckeye
"This is the most corrupt and lawless Admin in the history of our once great country. And NO ONE will do anything about it!"

The extra surveillance has been going on for over 30 years--a little at first and incrementally more since then. Favored constituents behind Nixon were pushing for that along with most favored nation trade status for China and increased trade with Muslim nations in the Middle East. It's not so much one political party but a class of constituents controlling both parties and wanting protection from the common rabble. That's also what happened to marriage, family, kids, constitutional rights, business, religion, academia, the courts, politics and national loyalty.


28 posted on 08/20/2013 7:43:49 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: gaijin

The digitized voice conversations are stored long enough for the software to convert it to text. It is the text that is stored. And reading text is not listening to phone conversation. Read the law. It only applies to the listening of phone conversation. They are deceiving us through the use of new voice recognition technology.

This is my own opinion, of course. However, with voice recognition technology, I am certain that is how they are getting around the law.


29 posted on 08/20/2013 7:45:02 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: 1010RD
"Now that this is public, why collect data that isn’t related to terrorism since the terrorists are not using electronic communications?"

After some decisions during the early 1970s to change government, business, academic and family policies (and laws), presentations were made in the late 1970s to inform government officials that wars in the future (from the '70s) would be fought against rioting American citizens. Enemies of the future were depicted as young laborers wearing jeans, red bandannas over their faces, T-shirts, running shoes, etc. The presentations stated that wars with foreign nations would no longer happen.


30 posted on 08/20/2013 7:51:32 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: DManA

Your attitude in this context could be deemed a “belligerent act”. (See belligerentact.org.)

HF


31 posted on 08/20/2013 8:08:51 PM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: John W

The NSA “scandals” are a distraction. NSA had authorization to do many of the things we are upset about.

The bigger more important issues are the fact that US government agencies were used to influence the outcome of elections. Presidential elections.

And where did the data in Obama’s Civitas database come from? IRS, Census, HHS, Homeland Security, NSA?


32 posted on 08/20/2013 8:09:35 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: John W; All

Was then Secretary of the Treasury Timmy Geithner the original author of the IRS harassment policy towards the TEA Party?


33 posted on 08/20/2013 8:33:14 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: originalbuckeye

It’s not just this administration. It’s this government. And it started with old man Bush.


34 posted on 08/20/2013 8:42:06 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Long before Bush my FRiend.


35 posted on 08/20/2013 8:44:39 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: John W
what did Bronco Bama know and when did he know he knew it?





This Message Not Approved by the NSA



36 posted on 08/20/2013 8:46:01 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: eyedigress

John Poindexter


37 posted on 08/20/2013 8:50:53 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

Just a player.


38 posted on 08/20/2013 9:04:13 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Liberty Valance

The details of the what are under the Reagan admin. Clinton played no different. The escalation in the 1990’s is quick.


39 posted on 08/20/2013 9:09:19 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: gaijin

Absolutely! As soon as you follow the rule.


40 posted on 08/20/2013 9:58:28 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: originalbuckeye
This is the most corrupt and lawless Admin in the history of our once great country. And NO ONE will do anything about it!

How quickly you've forgotton the Impeachment of The Kenyan on 56 Counts, 782 Indictments against Gangsta Inc for racketeering, fraud, murder, blackmail, and ice cream theft! The "process" worked properly and legally, and thus incarcerated ZERO's entire Administration for High Treason! All Hail to the US Constitution and the righteous indignation of Congress! The Republic is SAVED!

Wait....I wuz dreaming. But I think Boehner farted in Zero's general direction. Nope. The case was just the opposite. (But Issa's still PO'd at Holder.)

41 posted on 08/20/2013 10:18:56 PM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: originalbuckeye

Allow me to explain.

If we stand up for ourselves and demand that the GOP stop the libs from Going fill metal Big Brother on us, they will lose their elections and the libs will go fullmetal Big Brother on us. So we have to remain silent and let them allow all this and even help it happen, otherwise we will be in trouble.

If you look at the ‘logic’ employed by the GOP sycophants, you will see the above is exactly what is happening.


42 posted on 08/21/2013 2:18:03 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: John W
The National Security Agency—which possesses only limited legal authority to spy on U.S. citizens—has built a surveillance network that covers more Americans' Internet communications than officials have publicly disclosed

The government lied to us? I am shcoked, shocked!

43 posted on 08/21/2013 4:38:47 AM PDT by shego
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To: VerySadAmerican

It started before Bush and practically every person reading this has voted for their police state along the way in one or another way.


44 posted on 08/21/2013 5:54:56 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: John W
"retains the written content of emails sent between citizens within the U.S."

The government is reading your mail.

If your email was a stamped mailed letter, the NSA would be in prison.

The NSA is only a scintilla of a technicality away from being felonious.

45 posted on 08/21/2013 6:23:06 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Where's my pressure cooker backpack wmd ricin laced al qaeda terrorist BASSELOPE?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Eh?


46 posted on 08/21/2013 6:51:05 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: HollyB

The poster commented no one was doing anything about all this BS. I eas using sarcasm to basically explain what they are doing.


47 posted on 08/21/2013 6:58:41 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Okidoke, thx


48 posted on 08/21/2013 7:00:29 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: John W
"The system has the capacity to reach roughly 75% of all U.S. Internet traffic in the hunt for foreign intelligence,"

How come I don't beleive that bolded section?

49 posted on 08/21/2013 7:12:27 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: John W

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- UNDER OPANSYCARE :

Obama’s FED THUGS can and will enter your homes and your businesses without a warrant if :

- #1 - You are a smoker

- #2 - You own firearms

-

- “We have to pass it to see what is in it!”

— (the Speaker) Nancy Pelosi

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50 posted on 08/21/2013 7:57:14 AM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- it not unlegal iffen I do`s it ----- ----- -----)
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