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Many 2016 Republican hopefuls agree: Defund ObamaCare
The Hill ^ | Aug 17, 2013 | By Elise Viebeck

Posted on 08/17/2013 2:03:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Many Republicans who are eyeing a run for president in 2016 are backing an all-or-nothing plan to defund ObamaCare. More than half a dozen possible GOP White House candidates support that strategy while a handful are calling for a more nuanced approach to defunding or repealing the healthcare law. Another five are dodging questions and a couple others are not signaling one way or another.

[A detailed breakdown is outlined in the chart below.]

In short, some are willing to go to the brink and beyond of a government shutdown to defund ObamaCare. But it’s far from unanimous.

Still, the results of The Hill’s survey favors the shutdown-showdown strategy hatched by Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), thanks to outspoken endorsements from GOP frontrunners, such as Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).

The Florida Republican and three other colleagues also entertaining presidential runs — Ted Cruz (R-Texas), Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and John Thune (R-S.D.) — have backed Lee’s effort by refusing to support government funding bills that include money for ObamaCare.

The effort places immense pressure on GOP leaders and could result in a government shutdown if it prevents Congress from agreeing on a continuing resolution by Sept. 30.

Several top national Republicans have either been silent or agnostic on the threat, including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Kentucky; US: New Jersey; US: South Dakota; US: Texas; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: abortion; chrischristie; deathpanels; defund; elections; florida; jebbush; johnthune; kentucky; marcorubio; mikelee; newjersey; obamacare; repeal; rickperry; southdakota; tedcruz; texas; utah; zerocare

1 posted on 08/17/2013 2:03:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; Alamo-Girl; bd476; The Cajun; ...

Defund it, defang it, repeal it!!


2 posted on 08/17/2013 2:05:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

This election cycle is the most important off-year election of my lifetime. It could be the beginning of the end for Obamacare or the beginning of Obamacare taking roots.


3 posted on 08/17/2013 2:06:34 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s Obama who would shut down the government by refusing to sign a CR.


4 posted on 08/17/2013 2:06:40 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Jim Robinson

Repeal it.

Remove the entire monstrosity form the books.


5 posted on 08/17/2013 2:06:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; Alamo-Girl; bd476; The Cajun; ...

Rip it out by the roots, drive a stake through its heart, fumigate the chambers that spawned it. Socialist/fascism should never be allowed to rise again!!


6 posted on 08/17/2013 2:08:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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Another Obama FAIL

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Please keep ‘em coming! Thank you all very much!

7 posted on 08/17/2013 2:09:02 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Jim Robinson
I smell waffles in the wind.
Don't you?
Wafflers seem to abound these days.

You would THINK that the GOP would all rally round such a stand...defund, defang and repeal.

8 posted on 08/17/2013 2:09:34 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Jim Robinson
Defund---defang---repeal.....and sue.

OKLAHOMA WINS FIRST OCARE BATTLE: AG Pruitt--- "Obamacare was meant to be so open-ended that it could mean anything. We are seeing thousands of pages of new rules being written, both by HHS and the IRS. The open-ended interpretation of Obamacare enables this.....if the law doesn't contain a particular provision, no problem. They just make it up as they go along."

Such is the case that involves the OK lawsuit.

“The court rejected the federal government’s argument that Oklahoma lacked standing to challenge the law, allowing us to proceed with this pivotal case,” “We’re optimistic the court will recognize what states have known for months that the IRS disregarded the law by making the large employer mandate effective in Oklahoma or in any of the 33 other states without a state health care exchange.”

REFERENCE Oklahoma challenged implementation of the Affordable Care Act after the IRS finalized a rule that would allow the federal government to punish “large employers,” including local government, with millions of dollars in tax penalties in states without state health care exchanges, which is not allowed under the health care law.

“Congress provided a choice for Oklahoma and other states in implementation of the health care law, and the IRS is attempting to take that away by rule,” General Pruitt said. “The administration miscalculated how many states would support this law, so now they’re using the IRS to push through provisions that Congress did not pass.”

9 posted on 08/17/2013 2:10:34 PM PDT by Liz
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To: FreeReign

Yup. Its Obama and the democrats threatening to shut down the government if they don’t get their boot jacking way.


10 posted on 08/17/2013 2:10:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Liz

Go, Oklahoma!!


11 posted on 08/17/2013 2:12:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hear-hear!!


12 posted on 08/17/2013 2:12:34 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Maybe we need a national symbol or spokesman to take the bull by the horns.

Anybody know an out of work rodeo clown?


13 posted on 08/17/2013 2:12:44 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep you betcha boss!

No “hopefulness” for any candidate that goes squishy on the right things to do!


14 posted on 08/17/2013 2:25:33 PM PDT by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is indeed an important election cycle. Every cycle has been important, especially since 2008 and the dems have that voter fraud down thing real well. That’s my main concern.


15 posted on 08/17/2013 2:31:10 PM PDT by albie (re)
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To: Jim Robinson

I would like to believe we could assume Romney won’t run but given his track record, it could be possible. What are the chances he would want to defund Obama’s socialist healthcare scheme?


16 posted on 08/17/2013 2:34:33 PM PDT by South40
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To: albie

The State Run Media will continue publishing false polls, the IRS will continue suppressing the Republican vote, 0bama’s NSA will be busy manipulating election results electronically, blah blah blah.. 2012, the Sequel. But if the Repubs run on defunding 0bamacare, PRO-LIFE, and SEALING THE BORDER ONCE AND FOR ALL, their support could be overwhelming.


17 posted on 08/17/2013 2:43:10 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Jim Robinson

I talked with the CEO of a hospital recently who is a strong conservative and who hates Obamacare personally, but he expects nothing of the kind to happen, and says his peers in other hospitals don’t either. After the abominable SCOTUS ruling, Obamacare is the law of the land and it will go into effect as any law must. It will not work, in fact he expects major problems, lawsuits, and all manner of chaos will ensure.

What happens when the failure becomes obvious depends on what happens in the 2014 midterms and in 2016. If an intelligent species controls Congress (note I did not say Republican!), then some reform and dismantling would likely occur. If Democrats still have control, the likely outcome would be “saving Obamacare” by implementing a single payer system.

Sorry for sounding like a wet blanket, but if anyone really sees someone with the plan, courage, and political clout to do anything other than talk about it before Obamacare goes into effect, let us know.


18 posted on 08/17/2013 2:43:41 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Jim Robinson; LUV W; sickoflibs; thouworm; ken5050; stephenjohnbanker; ...

ACTION NOW We need to get the OK lawsuit going in every state. Contact the PTB in your state.

Judging from the legal language AG Pruitt used, I would also conclude that Obamacare might be ripe for a RICO action.

NOTE: anybody can file a RICO. How-to sites are all over the web.


19 posted on 08/17/2013 2:46:37 PM PDT by Liz
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To: South40

FUMR!! LOSER!!


20 posted on 08/17/2013 2:48:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: South40

My nose is still sore from holding it in 2010...NO Romney, NO Bush, NO more damned RINOs. No RINO or GOP elitist will ever defund or repeal Obamacare, that was my friends point. The way things look today, the elite GOP insiders like Cristie and operatives like Rove will make sure no conservative or libertarian gets the nomination, and thus the candidate will be a RINO-elitist, and who in their right mind believes one of those will repeal or defund?

Remember the old expression “It’s gonna get worse before it gets better”? I think that’s where we’re at....


21 posted on 08/17/2013 2:55:01 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob
My nose is still sore from holding it in 2010

My nose is sore from holding it since 2008.

If the GOP cannot defeat the likes of Rove & Christie it deserves to lose.

22 posted on 08/17/2013 4:20:06 PM PDT by South40
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To: Jim Robinson

Don’t repeal it. It is a ticking bomb that even democrats are running from. Let the bomb go off; and in the fallout, repeal could be possible. It will be a mess. But having the GOP run in to try and defuse the bomb (defund); when it goes off, they will get the blame. Our leaders have the worst possible strategy; and no stones to boot.


23 posted on 08/17/2013 5:50:49 PM PDT by joelt
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To: Jim Robinson

Indeed. Buuuump!


24 posted on 08/17/2013 7:27:58 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks JimRob.
Still, the results of The Hill’s survey favors the shutdown-showdown strategy hatched by Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), thanks to outspoken endorsements from GOP frontrunners, such as Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).
"Hatched"? Partisan Media Shills / Zerocare ping.


25 posted on 08/18/2013 5:23:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: BenLurkin

When was access to “health care” ever a Constitutional mandate? This is one of those “made-up” rights that has not the least penumbra nor historic basis anywhere. The only possible link would be to the inclusion of the words “promote the general welfare”, which in the 18th Century meant nothing at all like the phrase has come to be redefined in the 20th Century, and the original meaning has been all but obliterated in the Twenty-first Century.

The Federal government has the authority, though not the absolute supremacy, in determining what is the benefit to confer upon its citizens, in terms of reductions in diseases, promoting general safe conditions, and assuring the community has access to self-improvement. As this was not specifically spelled out in the Constitution, the actual responsibility falls fully on the STATE level, under the Tenth Amendment.

The direct administration of the responsibilities is further delegated to the local (county and municipality) levels of government.

Now, all this delegation of authority and responsibility takes money, which the Federal government has a monopoly in minting and defining, something the states are forbidden to do. What both the state and Federal governments share, however, is the authority to TAX various aspects of the economy, as defined by the relevant statutes.

Over the decades, the state and Federal governments have refined and perfected means of extracting tax revenue from the citizens, some bothersome, some unnoticed because of being hidden in the cost of doing business. All revenue from taxation, in the end, is a consumer tax on the individual, and there is no such thing as “taxing business”.

Yet the myth persists that the “rich” are going to pay all the taxes. Eventually the whole burden falls upon the poor schlub, at the bottom of the heap, or his children, or his children’s children, to pay the bill.


26 posted on 08/18/2013 7:02:24 AM PDT by alloysteel (Unattended children will be given a Red Bull and a free Kazoo. Reminds me of Congress...)
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