Skip to comments.Muslim outrage as professor warns first-cousin marriages increase risk of birth defects
Posted on 08/17/2013 5:08:58 AM PDT by grundle
Inbreeding among British Muslims is threatening the health of their children, a leading geneticist warned yesterday.
Professor Steve Jones, from University College London, said the common practice in Islamic communities for cousins to marry each other increased the risk of birth defects.
There may be some evidence that cousins marrying one another can be harmful, he told an audience at the Hay Festival.
We should be concerned about that as there can be a lot of hidden genetic damage. Children are much more likely to get two copies of a damaged gene.
Bradford is very inbred. There is a huge amount of cousins marrying each other there.
Studies have shown that 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins and in Bradford, this rises to 75 per cent.
Other research has found that children of first cousins are ten times more likely to have recessive genetic disorders and face deafness, blindness and infant mortality.
But Prof Joness comments provoked anger among some Muslim groups yesterday.
Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, which promotes the image of Muslims in Britain, said: I know many Muslims who have married their cousins and none of them have had a problem with their children.
Obviously, we dont want any children to be born disabled who dont need to be born disabled, so I would advise genetic screening before first cousins marry.
'But I find Steve Joness comments unworthy of a professor. Using language like inbreeding to describe cousins marrying is completely inappropriate and further demonises Muslims.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
I wonder how legitimate these concerns are. Muslims in many areas have been doing this for literally centuries.
If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.
It comes up all the time in Mn because boat loads of Somalis have moved here and they are cousin lovers. The politicians would have us believe it’s perfectly fine to marry your cousin, you are racist if you object.
Well....they’re all Muslims...
Fairly common here in Appalachia too
As a matter of fact, my family tree is so messed up, I entered into a genealogy site and it knocked the website down for two days.
The problem is worst among children born in Britain's Pakistani community, where more than half of marriages are between first cousins, and children are 10 times more likely than the general population to suffer genetic disorders.
"The medical risks of first cousin marriages include higher rates of infant mortality, birth defects, learning difficulties, blindness, hearing problems and metabolic disorders.
"As adults, the children born from first cousin marriages are at increased risk of miscarriage or infertility. A third of children affected die before their fifth birthday.
"An investigation by Channel 4's Dispatches programme found that although more than 70 British studies have proved the risks, and 700 British Pakistani children are born with associated genetic diseases every year, many people deny the dangers."
On the other hand, they may be breeding faster than native Britons, but they are to a certain extent offsetting that by producing so many unwell children.
“Inbreeding among British Muslims”
well, that explains alot.
It explains a lot.
This happened a lot back in the 19th century pre civil war. Our ancestors looked around at that years’ crop of cousins and the chaos of the civil war and moved west in the mid to late 19th century. Mr. Mercat is related to Mary Todd Lincoln whose parents were cousins and so on going back another two or three generations. He’s pretty sane though so I’m guessing that it all got sorted out.
Do not question the increased risk, only its degree.
700 is not a particularly large number in a community of this size. If first cousin marriage were as harmful as some claim, it would be more in the range of 70,000 damaged children.
BTW, "increased risk" is often a way of obfuscating rather than enlightening the issue. Is that increase 10%, 100% or 1000%? Inquiring minds want to know.
It can't handle recursion? ;-)
It is harmful. We live in an Amish and Mennonite area with a lot of 2nd or 3rd cousin marriages (over generations)and marriages among people who are “double” cousins (both sides of the family). The local doctors advise against it. A local family lost a baby last because the couple were second cousins whose families had intermarried for years.
i’m researching families in old cemeteries. noticed that some families have married cousins and most of the children of the next two generations died young....10’s 20’s, 30’s
My father married his cousin by marriage...
does that count ???
My father’s sister married my mother’s cousin..
www.consang.net has a chart "Globally, the most common form of consanguineous union contracted is between first cousins"
Global prevalence of consanguinity
Coincidence? I don't think so.
(Sources of the images are in the links.)
The text is here
Not surprising that there is nothing there that states explicitly that Islamists blah, blah. There is this sole reference (that I could find) "double first cousin marriages, which have the same coefficient of inbreeding [as uncle-niece unions] (F = 0.125), are recognized within Islam"
It seems to me that if "Globally, the most common form of consanguineous union contracted is between first cousins" and the chart shows the Arab countries with the preponderance of consanguineous marriages then that lends a great deal of authority to other 'Net sources that state it outright: "First cousin marriages have been the tradition in many Muslim families for innumerable generations."
Thanks for your post.. I love to post that chart. I hope the owners don't mind and are indeed pleased for the additional publicity.
Why be outraged? Either it does, or it doesn’t. Deal with it.
May be harmful??? I thought that was pretty well established.
The bearded savages have done a good job of demonizing themselves.
If this is not tongue-in-cheek, I just have to ask if you've seen the state of the Muslim world?
Well, back in the 19th century, lots of children died young. My grandmother (born 1888) was one of eight. Three died as infants and one in his early 30s. Her parents were definitely not related and as far as I know, neither were her grandparents. Milk fever was probably the cause. If a woman became pregnant while she was nursing (a common occurrence) the rules were she had to quit nursing because it would harm both babies. Not true but that was the rule then among the better educated. So living on the prairie, unpasturized milk, diarrhea .... baby dies at about 18 months.
It is early, but I think that will be the reply of the day!
“If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.”
Have you noticed that Muslims are somewhat unstable and like to put suicide vests on there kids and go around killing innocent people?
Normal folks don’t tend to do that... Perhaps the last thousand years of inbreeding is part of the answer.
Hopefully they will inbreed themselves out of existence.
(I know there's a big difference between Muslims and Islamists.)
Marrying your first cousin is, as I understand it, biologically the same as marrying your half sister.
If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.
So you think a people who are constantly angry at others, think nothing of killing people and cutting their heads off if they disagree with their way of life and who believe they have the right to kill their wives and daughters simply because they don't approve of something they are doing, are perfectly fine mentally?
Too me, the whole Muslim life style screams lunatic and one way they got there was through inbreeding. I a not saying that if first cousins married something drastic would show up in the first generation but after centuries of the practice mental defects are bound to show up, and I think Muslims are living, breathing proof of this guys statements.
Unpasteurized milk....hell my mom (b. 1917) and the whole town drank it warm from the cow....made their own butter and constantly cooked with it. No one died.
If I’d stayed on the family homestead, I’d have had to travel 50 miles to find someone who wasn’t a cousin to some degree.
That’s what comes from families spending 10 generations in the same place, and having 10+ kids per generation.
My grandmother had 60 first cousins. My mother had hundreds of second cousins. I don’t even want to think about how many third cousins I have. (I dated one, in high school, despite living 1000 miles away. We didn’t realize it until we both went back to visit the family for Thanksgiving.)
That was my first thought. The inbreeding in some of the Asian countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) may explain some of the really strange birth defects--more conjoined twins; girls with four arms and two legs; and some of the other strangeness.
I think the current regressive state of the character and intelligence on display by most, maybe all, muslim dominated nations and cultures validates the finding that inbreeding isn't harmless.
Muslim societies aren't exactly hotbeds of innovation, progress and intellectual development.
That said, some recessive traits are not harmful and some could even be deemed desirable, so it's not entirely the genetic train wreck across the board that it's depicted as being. If you know anything about animal husbandry and breeding, desirable traits are “fixed” in a line by doing just that. Problem is, undesirable ones get “fixed” as well but these are culled. Brutal but that's how it's done. Remember that next time you walk into somebody’s house and are startled at the resemblance, between the person standing in front of you and the portrait of great, great granddad over the mantle, lol.
Almost anyone with an old family line remaining in one place for centuries is going to find an example or two of first cousin marriage, the family tree branching back in upon itself, particularly in rural or frontier areas. There just weren't that many potential mates and people did what they do, with marriage being the honorable way to deal with the inevitable outcome. A few instances has little to no impact upon the intelligence or genetic health of the line as a whole, and what effects there are are lost in a generation with marriage to an unrelated line, “new blood.”
Royals did it, wealthy families here did it to keep money and/or land from being broken up outside the family. It wasn't always a sign of ignorance, it was done for practical reasons.
I used to drive for Trailways and had a lot of Amish passengers. There was a very high percentage of children with defects.
>>The inbreeding in some of the Asian countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) may explain some of the really strange birth defects—more conjoined twins; girls with four arms and two legs; and some of the other strangeness.<<
Clearly islam is a defect resulting from inbreeding.
The UK Muslims are upset that someone finally called them on their 1,400 years of inbreeding? Gosh, talk about the obvious. Inbreeding certainly accounts for instabilities in the Muslim psyche.
There are people who argue that inbreeding over centuries plays a major role in the stunted and twisted emotional state of muslims in many areas.
To say that consanguinity has no effect of any kind on health, both mental and physical, is simply absurd. It has been confirmed that it is harmful. There is a reason consanguinity is taboo both by culture and law in nearly all human cultures, though not all.
It is very easy to see the result of inbreeding. We have over 1500 years of it for these two-footed rats. Not hard at all to see.
Do some searches with terms like Middle East Consanguinity Islam.
This has been well known for decades.
That might explain a lot of things.
Anyone into dairy farming knows, “you get a bull from a different herd”.
One fights the jihad and the other provides logistic and ideological support?
Well that's something that you don't see everyday.
My mother’s sister married one brother
Their cousin married another brother
Pretty common in farm country of western NJ.......
Apparently it strengthens the tendency of muzzlems to remain part of a psychotic, violent, intolerant, hateful cult. That's pretty noteable damage.;-)
It says “10 times more likely than ...” Is that a risk you or your family would want to take? I don’t want to get in an argument with you because you know so much about it however, they are basically breeding more damaged children than other population groups and in socialist UK, that is a societal cost everyone pays.
“My mothers sister married one brother
Their cousin married another brother”
The scenario you described would not likely be a problem, assuming the brothers were from a different family.