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Muslim outrage as professor warns first-cousin marriages increase risk of birth defects
Daily Mail ^ | May 30, 2011 | Tom Kelly

Posted on 08/17/2013 5:08:58 AM PDT by grundle

Inbreeding among British Muslims is threatening the health of their children, a leading geneticist warned yesterday.

Professor Steve Jones, from University College London, said the common practice in Islamic communities for cousins to marry each other increased the risk of birth defects.

‘There may be some evidence that cousins marrying one another can be harmful,’ he told an audience at the Hay Festival.

‘We should be concerned about that as there can be a lot of hidden genetic damage. Children are much more likely to get two copies of a damaged gene.

‘Bradford is very inbred. There is a huge amount of cousins marrying each other there.’

Studies have shown that 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins – and in Bradford, this rises to 75 per cent.

Other research has found that children of first cousins are ten times more likely to have recessive genetic disorders and face deafness, blindness and infant mortality.

But Prof Jones’s comments provoked anger among some Muslim groups yesterday.

Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, which promotes the image of Muslims in Britain, said: ‘I know many Muslims who have married their cousins and none of them have had a problem with their children.

‘Obviously, we don’t want any children to be born disabled who don’t need to be born disabled, so I would advise genetic screening before first cousins marry.

'But I find Steve Jones’s comments unworthy of a professor. Using language like “inbreeding” to describe cousins marrying is completely inappropriate and further demonises Muslims.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 08/17/2013 5:08:58 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

I wonder how legitimate these concerns are. Muslims in many areas have been doing this for literally centuries.

If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.


2 posted on 08/17/2013 5:14:02 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: grundle

It comes up all the time in Mn because boat loads of Somalis have moved here and they are cousin lovers. The politicians would have us believe it’s perfectly fine to marry your cousin, you are racist if you object.


3 posted on 08/17/2013 5:15:13 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Sherman Logan

Well....they’re all Muslims...


4 posted on 08/17/2013 5:15:25 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: grundle

Fairly common here in Appalachia too


5 posted on 08/17/2013 5:15:34 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: grundle
precisely
6 posted on 08/17/2013 5:16:15 AM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: grundle

As a matter of fact, my family tree is so messed up, I entered into a genealogy site and it knocked the website down for two days.


7 posted on 08/17/2013 5:17:31 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Sherman Logan
The concerns are very legitimate. I saved this story from the Telegraph from a couple of years ago:

The problem is worst among children born in Britain's Pakistani community, where more than half of marriages are between first cousins, and children are 10 times more likely than the general population to suffer genetic disorders.

"The medical risks of first cousin marriages include higher rates of infant mortality, birth defects, learning difficulties, blindness, hearing problems and metabolic disorders.

"As adults, the children born from first cousin marriages are at increased risk of miscarriage or infertility. A third of children affected die before their fifth birthday.

"An investigation by Channel 4's Dispatches programme found that although more than 70 British studies have proved the risks, and 700 British Pakistani children are born with associated genetic diseases every year, many people deny the dangers."

On the other hand, they may be breeding faster than native Britons, but they are to a certain extent offsetting that by producing so many unwell children.

8 posted on 08/17/2013 5:23:10 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: grundle

“Inbreeding among British Muslims”

well, that explains alot.


9 posted on 08/17/2013 5:23:11 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: grundle

It explains a lot.


10 posted on 08/17/2013 5:23:31 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: AppyPappy

This happened a lot back in the 19th century pre civil war. Our ancestors looked around at that years’ crop of cousins and the chaos of the civil war and moved west in the mid to late 19th century. Mr. Mercat is related to Mary Todd Lincoln whose parents were cousins and so on going back another two or three generations. He’s pretty sane though so I’m guessing that it all got sorted out.


11 posted on 08/17/2013 5:24:59 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Sherman Logan
I hear some of the hospitals have quite horrendous birth defects. I doubt the muslims would have any problem killing a baby that was malformed.
12 posted on 08/17/2013 5:25:52 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: La Lydia
700 British Pakistani children are born with associated genetic diseases every year

Do not question the increased risk, only its degree.

700 is not a particularly large number in a community of this size. If first cousin marriage were as harmful as some claim, it would be more in the range of 70,000 damaged children.

BTW, "increased risk" is often a way of obfuscating rather than enlightening the issue. Is that increase 10%, 100% or 1000%? Inquiring minds want to know.

13 posted on 08/17/2013 5:27:41 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: AppyPappy
As a matter of fact, my family tree is so messed up, I entered into a genealogy site and it knocked the website down for two days.

It can't handle recursion? ;-)

14 posted on 08/17/2013 5:28:54 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Sherman Logan

It is harmful. We live in an Amish and Mennonite area with a lot of 2nd or 3rd cousin marriages (over generations)and marriages among people who are “double” cousins (both sides of the family). The local doctors advise against it. A local family lost a baby last because the couple were second cousins whose families had intermarried for years.


15 posted on 08/17/2013 5:29:24 AM PDT by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: Mercat

i’m researching families in old cemeteries. noticed that some families have married cousins and most of the children of the next two generations died young....10’s 20’s, 30’s


16 posted on 08/17/2013 5:29:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: AppyPappy

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

My father married his cousin by marriage...

does that count ???

My father’s sister married my mother’s cousin..

:)


17 posted on 08/17/2013 5:29:50 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: grundle
I posted a bunch of stuff about consanguineous marriages. Some see this as the source of handicaps that is often the real motivation behind suicide bombers; to wit, their lives are so miserable under Islamist oppression because of their handicaps that death is their only escape. Islamists know that and they take advantage of it.

www.consang.net has a chart "Globally, the most common form of consanguineous union contracted is between first cousins"

Global prevalence of consanguinity

Coincidence? I don't think so.

(Sources of the images are in the links.)

The text is here

Not surprising that there is nothing there that states explicitly that Islamists blah, blah. There is this sole reference (that I could find) "double first cousin marriages, which have the same coefficient of inbreeding [as uncle-niece unions] (F = 0.125), are recognized within Islam"

It seems to me that if "Globally, the most common form of consanguineous union contracted is between first cousins" and the chart shows the Arab countries with the preponderance of consanguineous marriages then that lends a great deal of authority to other 'Net sources that state it outright: "First cousin marriages have been the tradition in many Muslim families for innumerable generations."

Thanks for your post.. I love to post that chart. I hope the owners don't mind and are indeed pleased for the additional publicity.

18 posted on 08/17/2013 5:30:05 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: grundle

Why be outraged? Either it does, or it doesn’t. Deal with it.


19 posted on 08/17/2013 5:31:01 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: grundle
‘There may be some evidence that cousins marrying one another can be harmful...’

May be harmful??? I thought that was pretty well established.

20 posted on 08/17/2013 5:31:48 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: grundle

The bearded savages have done a good job of demonizing themselves.


21 posted on 08/17/2013 5:33:14 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: Sherman Logan
If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.

If this is not tongue-in-cheek, I just have to ask if you've seen the state of the Muslim world?

22 posted on 08/17/2013 5:33:58 AM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Well, back in the 19th century, lots of children died young. My grandmother (born 1888) was one of eight. Three died as infants and one in his early 30s. Her parents were definitely not related and as far as I know, neither were her grandparents. Milk fever was probably the cause. If a woman became pregnant while she was nursing (a common occurrence) the rules were she had to quit nursing because it would harm both babies. Not true but that was the rule then among the better educated. So living on the prairie, unpasturized milk, diarrhea .... baby dies at about 18 months.


23 posted on 08/17/2013 5:34:42 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: AppyPappy
As a matter of fact, my family tree is so messed up, I entered into a genealogy site and it knocked the website down for two days.

It is early, but I think that will be the reply of the day!

24 posted on 08/17/2013 5:35:42 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.”

Have you noticed that Muslims are somewhat unstable and like to put suicide vests on there kids and go around killing innocent people?

Normal folks don’t tend to do that... Perhaps the last thousand years of inbreeding is part of the answer.


25 posted on 08/17/2013 5:40:21 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: grundle

Hopefully they will inbreed themselves out of existence.


26 posted on 08/17/2013 5:41:59 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (US Military's anti-Christianity: Moral slavery is slavery nonetheless)
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To: VRW Conspirator
That reminds me.. Islamists are banned from genealogy sites. Their inquires put the search into an infinite loop.

(I know there's a big difference between Muslims and Islamists.)

27 posted on 08/17/2013 5:46:53 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: grundle

Marrying your first cousin is, as I understand it, biologically the same as marrying your half sister.


28 posted on 08/17/2013 5:47:27 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Sherman Logan
I wonder how legitimate these concerns are. Muslims in many areas have been doing this for literally centuries.

If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.

So you think a people who are constantly angry at others, think nothing of killing people and cutting their heads off if they disagree with their way of life and who believe they have the right to kill their wives and daughters simply because they don't approve of something they are doing, are perfectly fine mentally?

Too me, the whole Muslim life style screams lunatic and one way they got there was through inbreeding. I a not saying that if first cousins married something drastic would show up in the first generation but after centuries of the practice mental defects are bound to show up, and I think Muslims are living, breathing proof of this guys statements.

29 posted on 08/17/2013 5:47:33 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Mercat
I'm a hundred years before your 1888 grandma...the parents that intermarried were born c 1760. It was just so very noticeable among the other deaths.

Unpasteurized milk....hell my mom (b. 1917) and the whole town drank it warm from the cow....made their own butter and constantly cooked with it. No one died.

30 posted on 08/17/2013 5:47:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: AppyPappy

If I’d stayed on the family homestead, I’d have had to travel 50 miles to find someone who wasn’t a cousin to some degree.

That’s what comes from families spending 10 generations in the same place, and having 10+ kids per generation.

My grandmother had 60 first cousins. My mother had hundreds of second cousins. I don’t even want to think about how many third cousins I have. (I dated one, in high school, despite living 1000 miles away. We didn’t realize it until we both went back to visit the family for Thanksgiving.)


31 posted on 08/17/2013 5:47:43 AM PDT by jdege
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To: freedumb2003
Hopefully they will inbreed themselves out of existence.

That was my first thought. The inbreeding in some of the Asian countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) may explain some of the really strange birth defects--more conjoined twins; girls with four arms and two legs; and some of the other strangeness.

32 posted on 08/17/2013 5:49:12 AM PDT by madison10
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To: Sherman Logan
I wonder how legitimate these concerns are. Muslims in many areas have been doing this for literally centuries.

I think the current regressive state of the character and intelligence on display by most, maybe all, muslim dominated nations and cultures validates the finding that inbreeding isn't harmless.

Muslim societies aren't exactly hotbeds of innovation, progress and intellectual development.


33 posted on 08/17/2013 5:51:29 AM PDT by Iron Munro (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: Sherman Logan
Given the presence of some heritable genetic malady or mutation it greatly increases the risk of children with that malady or maladies, particularly with the X chromosome in consanguineous marriages. If both male and female have that X chromosome, female children will have the malady or mutation with both X chromosomes. Males fare little better having just one X chromosome.

That said, some recessive traits are not harmful and some could even be deemed desirable, so it's not entirely the genetic train wreck across the board that it's depicted as being. If you know anything about animal husbandry and breeding, desirable traits are “fixed” in a line by doing just that. Problem is, undesirable ones get “fixed” as well but these are culled. Brutal but that's how it's done. Remember that next time you walk into somebody’s house and are startled at the resemblance, between the person standing in front of you and the portrait of great, great granddad over the mantle, lol.

Almost anyone with an old family line remaining in one place for centuries is going to find an example or two of first cousin marriage, the family tree branching back in upon itself, particularly in rural or frontier areas. There just weren't that many potential mates and people did what they do, with marriage being the honorable way to deal with the inevitable outcome. A few instances has little to no impact upon the intelligence or genetic health of the line as a whole, and what effects there are are lost in a generation with marriage to an unrelated line, “new blood.”

Royals did it, wealthy families here did it to keep money and/or land from being broken up outside the family. It wasn't always a sign of ignorance, it was done for practical reasons.

34 posted on 08/17/2013 5:52:06 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cloverfarm

I used to drive for Trailways and had a lot of Amish passengers. There was a very high percentage of children with defects.


35 posted on 08/17/2013 5:53:16 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I'm so conservative I won't even wear progressive bifocals.)
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To: madison10

>>The inbreeding in some of the Asian countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) may explain some of the really strange birth defects—more conjoined twins; girls with four arms and two legs; and some of the other strangeness.<<

Clearly islam is a defect resulting from inbreeding.


36 posted on 08/17/2013 5:53:32 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (US Military's anti-Christianity: Moral slavery is slavery nonetheless)
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To: grundle

The UK Muslims are upset that someone finally called them on their 1,400 years of inbreeding? Gosh, talk about the obvious. Inbreeding certainly accounts for instabilities in the Muslim psyche.


37 posted on 08/17/2013 5:58:28 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Sherman Logan

There are people who argue that inbreeding over centuries plays a major role in the stunted and twisted emotional state of muslims in many areas.

To say that consanguinity has no effect of any kind on health, both mental and physical, is simply absurd. It has been confirmed that it is harmful. There is a reason consanguinity is taboo both by culture and law in nearly all human cultures, though not all.


38 posted on 08/17/2013 6:01:00 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: grundle

It is very easy to see the result of inbreeding. We have over 1500 years of it for these two-footed rats. Not hard at all to see.


39 posted on 08/17/2013 6:03:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: grundle

Do some searches with terms like Middle East Consanguinity Islam.

This has been well known for decades.


40 posted on 08/17/2013 6:03:42 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: RegulatorCountry
"...Problem is, undesirable ones get “fixed” as well but these are culled. Brutal but that's how it's done..."

That might explain a lot of things.

41 posted on 08/17/2013 6:05:29 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: grundle
A columnist in the WSJ reported 40 percent of marriages in Egypt are between first cousins. It is an indication of tribalism.
42 posted on 08/17/2013 6:07:05 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: MasterGunner01

Anyone into dairy farming knows, “you get a bull from a different herd”.


43 posted on 08/17/2013 6:07:47 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

One fights the jihad and the other provides logistic and ideological support?


44 posted on 08/17/2013 6:11:08 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: grundle
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45 posted on 08/17/2013 6:12:40 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: grundle
"Muslim outrage..."

Well that's something that you don't see everyday.

46 posted on 08/17/2013 6:12:45 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: Tennessee Nana

My mother’s sister married one brother
Their cousin married another brother

Pretty common in farm country of western NJ.......


47 posted on 08/17/2013 6:13:40 AM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: Sherman Logan
If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.

Apparently it strengthens the tendency of muzzlems to remain part of a psychotic, violent, intolerant, hateful cult. That's pretty noteable damage.;-)

48 posted on 08/17/2013 6:23:15 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Sherman Logan

It says “10 times more likely than ...” Is that a risk you or your family would want to take? I don’t want to get in an argument with you because you know so much about it however, they are basically breeding more damaged children than other population groups and in socialist UK, that is a societal cost everyone pays.


49 posted on 08/17/2013 6:23:47 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: njslim

“My mother’s sister married one brother
Their cousin married another brother”

The scenario you described would not likely be a problem, assuming the brothers were from a different family.


50 posted on 08/17/2013 6:24:36 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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