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Breaking: Federal judge rules NYC’s “stop and frisk” unconstitutional
Hotair ^ | 08/12/2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 08/12/2013 8:06:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A federal court handed a big defeat to Mayor Michael Bloomberg and the New York Police Department today, ruling that the controversial “stop and frisk” program infringed on constitutional rights. Judge Shira Scheindlin appointed a federal monitor to oversee the NYPD and “reform” the practice, although that might prove impossible:

A federal judge appointed an independent monitor Monday to oversee changes to the New York Police Department’s contentious policy known as stop, question and frisk, a significant judicial rebuke for what the mayor and police commissioner have defended as a life-saving, crime-fighting tool. …

Four men had sued saying they were unfairly targeted because of their race. There have been about 5 million stops during the past decade, mostly black and Hispanic men. Scheindlin issued her ruling after a 10-week bench trial for the class-action lawsuit that included testimony from top NYPD brass and a dozen people, 11 men and one woman, who said they were wrongly stopped because of their race.

Scheindlin’s opinion ruled that the practice violated both the Fourth and 14th Amendments. Coverage of the lawsuits have mainly focused on the 14th Amendment and the disparate attention received by minorities as a claim of racism. More than 80% of those searched have been black or Hispanic, according to NYPD’s records. However, the broader finding of a Fourth Amendment violation makes it almost impossible for New York to reconstitute “stop and frisk” in the future. The data from the police department, Scheindlin noted during the trial, shows how unreasonable the searches have been:

During the trial, Judge Scheindlin indicated her thinking when she noted that the majority of stops result in officers finding no wrong doing.

“A lot of people are being frisked or searched on suspicion of having a gun and nobody has a gun,” she said. Only 0.14 percent of stops have led to police finding guns. “So the point is suspicion turns out to be wrong in most cases.”

Here’s the ruling:

Ruling: Judge finds NYC stop-and-frisk policy violated rights.

CBS points out that the order doesn’t end “stop and frisk,” but how likely is reform?

Instead of ordering an end to the practice, however, U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin appointed an independent monitor to oversee changes to the policy.

Peter L. Zimroth, a onetime city lawyer and a former chief assistant district attorney, has been appointed as the monitor. In both roles, Zimroth worked closely with the NYPD, Scheindlin said.

The inclusion of the Fourth Amendment means that reform has to address more than the racial disparities in stops. The right to protection against unreasonable search and seizure in that part of the Bill of Rights means that police have to have either a warrant or reasonable suspicion in order to stop and search anyone — even in New York. Either police will have to drastically scale back their frisks, or the city will have to criminalize a lot more behavior for pretexts to them. With Nanny Bloomie in charge at least for the next few months, I know which way I’m betting this goes.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 1didntsearch; 3rdthread; bloomberg; constitution; newyork; nyc; stopandfrisk; stopnfrisk
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1 posted on 08/12/2013 8:06:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Stop and Frisk can only be done to contents of your computer or cell phone.


2 posted on 08/12/2013 8:06:57 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: SeekAndFind


3 posted on 08/12/2013 8:08:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It is Unconstitutional in NYC and when the NSA searches your emails.

Waiting for the 2nd ruling to come before celebrating.


4 posted on 08/12/2013 8:09:28 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind
The next mayor, lesbian whack job..will uphold this...Ray Kelley will quit..and the NYPD will sadly, deteriorate in its effectiveness. But it will be an interesting scientific experiment. A few years after the new policy goes into effect, you should see the murder/violent crime rate in NYC spike sharply up, and most likely the vats majority of the victims will be young African-American males.
5 posted on 08/12/2013 8:09:50 AM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline is on summer break..)
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To: SeekAndFind

I know little about the particulars of this program. However, I find it hard to think of a scenario where this is constitutional. Unless however, NYC changes this to a national security program then it can through out the constitution...


6 posted on 08/12/2013 8:10:14 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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7 posted on 08/12/2013 8:10:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought “stop and frisk” had been rule unconstitutional long ago.


8 posted on 08/12/2013 8:11:08 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: ken5050

Why not simply place a cop in each home?

That would REALLY have an effect on crime.

Does the Constitution mean anything anymore? It should, especially here.


9 posted on 08/12/2013 8:11:15 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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10 posted on 08/12/2013 8:11:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Bloomberg is having a rough time of it recently.

First, the courts knock down his nannystate Big Gulp ban. Now, it knocks down his "stop and fondle frisk' policy.


11 posted on 08/12/2013 8:12:13 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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12 posted on 08/12/2013 8:13:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: 11th Commandment
I find it hard to think of a scenario where this is constitutional.

That doesn't seem to matter much any more.

Airports = TSA. Now, even train stations are getting TSA-ed.

Give'em an inch and they will try to take over the whole world -- a bit at a time.
13 posted on 08/12/2013 8:14:56 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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First, the courts knock down his nannystate Big Gulp ban. Now, it knocks down his "stop and fondle frisk' policy.

Next comes his gun laws. Then we can call it a day.
14 posted on 08/12/2013 8:15:01 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 11th Commandment
Summary arrest and body cavity search would probably drop crime rates even more. But that's not the type of country I would want to live in. I don't see how the idea of stopping and frisking people either at random or by profiling had a chance of standing up to even the weakest Constitutional test. This didn't have the excuse of stopping drivers on a government road using a government driver's license like they do for DUI and drug checks.
15 posted on 08/12/2013 8:16:03 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree with the ACLU regarding the NSA snooping and I agree with Sharpton on this issue. Sharpton is still an unmitigated Ahole, but on this issue, he is a blind squirrel.

(I assume you posted that picture to get people to shy away from the issue.)


16 posted on 08/12/2013 8:16:48 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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"Why not simply place a cop in each home? That would REALLY have an effect on crime."

Not to mention all the Union jobs it would create.

17 posted on 08/12/2013 8:19:30 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Big Apple is tired of running behind Second City in crime and shootings statistics.


18 posted on 08/12/2013 8:19:47 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I posted the picture to show people which ethnic group is being disproportionately stopped and frisked.

Actually the real term is — STOP, QUESTION and FRISK.


19 posted on 08/12/2013 8:20:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: tumblindice
NYC is probably one of America's safest big cities.


20 posted on 08/12/2013 8:21:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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