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The Rise of Al-Qaeda and Why the Administration Lied about Benghazi
PJ Media ^ | August 4, 2013 | Roger L Simon

Posted on 08/05/2013 4:40:46 AM PDT by NCjim

For nearly a year, we have had no answer to why the administration lied about Benghazi — why it told the world, not to mention the parents of our murdered SEALs at the funeral of their sons, that the cause of that fatal conflagration was an anti-Islamic video no one saw, when the various arms of our executive branch (White House, State and intelligence) already knew, or strongly suspected, it was a terror attack orchestrated by al-Qaeda affiliates.

You only have to read the now infamous talking points to know that.

That this lie was deeply immoral is obvious. What still eludes us is the cause of that lie, other than the equally obvious desire to avoid embarrassment weeks before a presidential election.

But what was this embarrassment about? Recent events have supposedly unearthed a tie to secret arms shipments to Syrian rebels, but as the always cogent Barry Rubin points out, anyone paying attention to the story has known this for some time. Rumors of such shipments filled the Internet even before the Benghazi fireworks.

Furthermore, as Rubin also indicates, if that information had been immediately revealed or leaked to the public soon after the event, it would have been met by a national shoulder shrug that was firmly ratified by Obama’s loyal media claque. It wouldn’t have impacted the election much, if at all.

No, something more problematic was involved and I suspect I know what it was. No one wanted to admit — or probably face for themselves — the extent to which the president, and therefore his administration, the State Department, the CIA and even the military, was in bed with Islamists.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazicoverup; blackpstonenation; elrukn; genocide; jefffort; jj; navyseals; obamabedislamists; threatmatrix

1 posted on 08/05/2013 4:40:46 AM PDT by NCjim
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To: NCjim

Everyone in America knows the real reason.

The borders have remain opened for year to let the
MANPADs and WMDF, given to al Qaeda by Obama and McCain,
to enter the USA.

During the year, Americans have been genitally checked,
checked in their mails and emails, while the REAL
terrorists have been armed to their teeth, and
then let go by the tens of thousands.


2 posted on 08/05/2013 4:48:31 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: MestaMachine

ping


3 posted on 08/05/2013 4:49:31 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: NCjim

Yet another theory/opinion which has yet to be proven. I still believe there are other potential reasons for the Benghazi incident that need to be looked into.

Either way, what ever odumbo is, he is NOT an American.


4 posted on 08/05/2013 4:57:06 AM PDT by Progov
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To: NCjim
The article offers and interesting perspective. Not on Benghazi, but Obama. That's nice. But the question on the table for me is still:

Who actually attacked actually organized the Benghazi attack? This was not a spontaneous demonstration. The attackers were, I believe, mostly locals but with a foreign sponsor.

Who was that sponsor?

We have never been told. That is the big secret of Benghazi.

5 posted on 08/05/2013 5:01:09 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

Sorry, this is a disappointing article given the headline.


6 posted on 08/05/2013 5:03:01 AM PDT by Lake Living
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To: NCjim

Obama doesn’t hate imperialism, as Simon claims. He hates the West and all Western ideals, and while he’s probably not much of a practicing Muslim, Obama sees Islam as the thing that most conflicts with the Judeo-Christian moral culture and the Greco-Roman intellectual and political culture of the West.

He has also rejected Western systems of governance and adopted Third World socialist tribalism and the authoritarian model of government required by it, which he is rapidly imposing here simply because we were dumb and never thought this threat would come from our very own president.

He hates us with a passion, and he’ll do anything to bring us down. The empowerment of Islam is one of these things.

And he’s surrounded by people who share his views, all the way from the unofficial power behind the throne, the terrorist Bill Ayers, to the more visible ones such as Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice and Al Sharpton.


7 posted on 08/05/2013 5:05:08 AM PDT by livius
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To: Lake Living
Sorry, this is a disappointing article given the headline.

I suppose. But I'm just glad there is still some focus on the Benghazi story by the media. We have lots of theories of what was going down there and what the motives of the attackers were. It all needs to be thrown into the pot and lets see what sticks.

So I'm still glad the article was posted.

8 posted on 08/05/2013 5:06:40 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: NCjim

Governmental body language says more than the talking heads. Bengate is just one.


9 posted on 08/05/2013 5:18:03 AM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: NCjim

If I am proven wrong I will not hesitate to admit it, but; I think this whole “sudden” alqaida uprising, embassy closing, etc., is a gigantic wag the dog operation - a desperate attempt to divert attention from all the scandal evidence that has come to light....and......when the whole BS story about terror threats fizzles, obummer can take credit for THWARTING and PREVENTING something that was never going to happen in the first place. I don’t trust this regime as far as I can spit!


10 posted on 08/05/2013 5:42:12 AM PDT by Tucker39
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To: livius

I new a woman from Indonesia who was lucky enough to have married an American pastor—she hated America too. She was disdainful and full of hate


11 posted on 08/05/2013 5:43:39 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Lake Living

Sorry, this is a disappointing article given the headline.


A worthless read...


12 posted on 08/05/2013 5:53:50 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: NCjim
Another Benghazi article that raises the issue of why the government is working so hard to keep this story under wraps:

Powerline: So, What Is the Benghazi Cover-Up All About?

John Hinderaker, who wrote the story raises, at least for me, the real Benghazi mystery. He recognizes that the weapons smuggling is a secret that you would want to hide if you were Obama. But that cat is out of the bag and really has been for some time.

But the pressure to bury the story is more intense than ever given all of the polygraphing of CIA agents that we are reading about.

Why?

The Powerline article raises this issue. Here is a partial quote:

"Tapper’s reporting points toward the conclusion that the longstanding rumor to the effect that the terrorist attack occurred during a top-secret arms transfer mission is true. But how much does that really explain? It seems unlikely that the CIA mission prompted the attack: we now know that the Syrian rebels consist in substantial part of al Qaeda elements, and if arms were sent from Libya to Syria, al Qaeda probably wound up with some of them. So why would al Qaeda want to interrupt the CIA mission via an attack on the American compound in Benghazi?"

And we are being led down a path that says: It was al Qaeda. I wonder.

Looking at the big picture: It is the Syrian regime and Iran who had the motive, not al Qaeda. Despite what Hinderaker says, stopping the arms shipments is the logical motive for the attack. The possibility that al Qaeda would want to accomplish that seem remote.

'Tis a mystery still.

13 posted on 08/05/2013 5:59:16 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: NCjim

The current occupant of the oval office refused to lift a finger to protect Americans from bloodthirsty subhuman savages because he was willing to sacrifice Americans on the altar of political correctness and didn’t want to annoy his buddies.


14 posted on 08/05/2013 6:13:10 AM PDT by I want the USA back (There's no autocorrect for stupidity.)
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To: InterceptPoint

“It is the Syrian regime and Iran who had the motive, not al Qaeda”

Very interesting point you bring up. IF you look at this like a criminal investigator would, that would be a logical conclusion. Who has the most to gain by stopping the shipment? You have correctly stated: the Syrians and their backers, Iran. Also, the Russians do not want to lose the naval base in Syria.

Obviously, there has been a HUGE effort on the Obama administration to cover up what was really going on in Benghazi. Where there is smoke, there is fire. I feel bad for the poor fool who made the Mohamed You Tube video. Is he still is jail?


15 posted on 08/05/2013 6:20:44 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963
Is he still is jail?

I believe he is. But don't quote me.

16 posted on 08/05/2013 6:27:31 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: I want the USA back
The current occupant of the oval office refused to lift a finger to protect Americans from bloodthirsty subhuman savages because he was willing to sacrifice Americans on the altar of political correctness and didn’t want to annoy his buddies.

No question about it. But I can' help wondering WHY. I think it goes deeper than "annoying his buddies". There is a secret in Benghazi that is, IMHO, still under wraps. Obama is doing what he can to keep it that way. And, also IMHO, it has to be something over and above the clear fact that arms were being moved from Libya to Turkey to the Syrian rebels. That story is out there and the need to suppress it is gone. But the pressure on the story remains.

Why?

Who were those "savages" that you speak of working for?

We don't know. When we find that out the mystery will start to unravel.

17 posted on 08/05/2013 6:35:02 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

We may not know the sponsors yet, but Morsi appears to have been involved in sending some of the attackers from Egypt. And since we know that, it blows my mind that Obama would continue to stick up for Morsi and the MB...unless he doesn’t want Morsi to spill some beans.


18 posted on 08/05/2013 8:28:07 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be what you might have been.)
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To: annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; Nachum; onyx; ...
"No, he is not a Muslim. I repeat NOT (just to be absolutely clear)."

Ummm.

Anyone wanting on or off this ping list, please advise.


Benghazi Index

19 posted on 08/05/2013 8:30:56 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: NCjim

Little barry bastard boy and his entire lying regime remind me of the serial killer who denies every single murder he has committed, and even as the needle goes into his arm he holds fast to the lie, because it is the only thing he knows how to do. We have the most immoral, evil administration in our History as a nation running fedzilla. They will never admit their lies regardless of how much evidence comes out that they are blatantly lying. Those working for the father of lies a murderer from the start have no grasp of truth so they cannot even acknowledge a single lie they tell.


20 posted on 08/05/2013 8:43:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Diogenesis

Start at 749 and then read the remaining about the blackstone rangers/el Ruhn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2151323/posts?q=1&;page=749

They got their start selling drugs from the Mexican drug cartels. (The real reason the southern border is not closed it’ll hurt business)
Jesse Robinson half brother Noah was involved. JJ himself was close until a large group went to prison Robinson as in M O their all from the Friends Plantation area in Carolina’s
0 was community organizer and represented this black Muslim gang in state legislature
Notice the involvment in gun running to Libya and their Muslim involvement in ME

Also notice the gang colors red black green. Remember the discussion on why MO wore those colors to a major event at start of administration.

On one of the blogs O’s relationship to leader is discussed
Group was convicted of first US domestic terrorism
And is still active today in the black on black murders of Chicago


21 posted on 08/05/2013 8:58:44 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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To: Sender
... but Morsi appears to have been involved in sending some of the attackers from Egypt ...

I'm not sure we really know that for certain. But I do know there was a report that indicated that one of the attackers made the statement that "Dr. Morsi sent us" or something to that effect.

My problem with the Morsi theory is: It's totally crazy. Look at the risk to Morsi. He would have to see the potential that he would lose Obama's support and those F-16's. For what?

Of course the guy clearly doesn't quite understand the political risks he was taking or he would still be the President of Egypt.

So maybe it was Morsi. Maybe Obama can explain to us what Morsi was trying to prove.

But I don't think it was Morsi. I don't think we really know what is bugging Obama so much that he taking such extreme measures to put the lid on the CIA people.

But I want to know. I really want to know.

22 posted on 08/05/2013 9:14:32 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: NCjim

Hillary specifically picked an openly homosexual for the diplomatic position over the objections of many. Stevens went on to bring homosexuals with him and advertised locally for homosexuals to do general labor in the compound. This infuriated the local Muslim Fundamentalists to no end who protested and eventually raided the compound. These terrorists sodomized Stevens and another American homosexual. When sated, they used bayonets to sodomized and kill Stevens. This is way too disgusting to be let out and shows Hillary used extremely poor judgment in assigning an openly homosexual to such a high position in a country that forbids homosexuality (publically). This knowledge would break her political back if released. “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?” A very, very BIG one to her career and the WH administration !


23 posted on 08/05/2013 9:23:55 AM PDT by AKinAK
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To: InterceptPoint

I really want to know too. Clearly something was going on in Libya that would be devastating to somebody powerful if it got out to the public.


24 posted on 08/05/2013 9:41:18 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be what you might have been.)
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To: AKinAK

There were a couple of articles published about that both before and after the attack. Haven’t been able to locate either of them recently.


25 posted on 08/05/2013 9:50:15 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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To: Progov

“Either way, what ever odumbo is, he is NOT an American.”

No. He is an anti-American non-American. Which brings us back to what the founders intended re: protecting America from foreign enemies becoming the CIC. Too bad they didn’t more explicitly define that “natural born” part of the citizenship requirement.


26 posted on 08/05/2013 10:20:58 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie)
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To: AKinAK
Hillary specifically picked an openly homosexual for the diplomatic position over the objections of many. Stevens went on to bring homosexuals with him and advertised locally for homosexuals to do general labor in the compound. This infuriated the local Muslim Fundamentalists to no end who protested and eventually raided the compound.

Well, another theory. And, an interesting one. If so, this would not go down well for either Obama or Hillary.

So, do you have any evidence that goes beyond logical speculation? And - how does your theory explain the "Dr. Morsi sent us" comment by one of the attackers.

27 posted on 08/05/2013 10:36:53 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: MestaMachine
"No, he is not a Muslim. I repeat NOT (just to be absolutely clear)."

WHO???

28 posted on 08/05/2013 11:41:21 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: MestaMachine
"No, he is not a Muslim. I repeat NOT (just to be absolutely clear)."

WHO???

29 posted on 08/05/2013 11:41:48 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: InterceptPoint

I’ll leave the in depth investigation to Mr. Issa as it seems there are always another theory to explore once all others are proven wrong. I’ll stick with this one for now.


30 posted on 08/05/2013 11:43:43 AM PDT by AKinAK
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To: AKinAK
I’ll leave the in depth investigation to Mr. Issa as it seems there are always another theory to explore once all others are proven wrong. I’ll stick with this one for now.

That's OK. It's actually not a bad theory. But the possibility of Issa getting to the bottom of Benghazi? I doubt it. We need someone (CIA I assume) who knows what the deal is to talk to Fox News or CNN or Jim Robinson.

31 posted on 08/05/2013 11:49:59 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint
Who actually attacked actually organized the Benghazi attack? This was not a spontaneous demonstration. The attackers were, I believe, mostly locals but with a foreign sponsor. . .

_________________________________________________________

WRONG!

The people there who survived said the attackers were not locals, they had accents that were not from Lybia at all. They were Egyptian according to their accents.

Mr. Obama put Morsi in place, Morsi put the Bengazi attackers in place.

The story is that there was to be a kidnapping of the ambassador. In return for his release we would release the blind Sheik to Egypt where he is VERY popular with the radicals. Radicals make up over 20% of Egypt so that makes him very popular indeed.

To make this work the US had to reduce the security at the Benghazi consulate. This we did. The most dangerous consulate in the whole world was Benghazi and it had the least security. Weeks before the attack the CIA protectors were moved off campus and ALL the security responsibility was given to paid local Al Qeuda types. When the time came they of course walked away or perhaps even led the attackers to the ambassador.

In order to keep all this secret only a few people knew about it. The CIA operatives on the ground that had been moved off campus did not know about it. They heard of the shooting and responded to the radio and phone calls for help from the ambassador who was also out of the loop. Several of America's finest risked their own lives to protect and save the Ambassador, to no avail.

What has happened in Benghazi is the worst case of Treason ever perpetrated upon this country. Murder for political gain. It wasn't supposed to be murder it was supposed to be political intrigue and sucessful diplomacy but these kind of lies seldom work as planned. The truth will likely be told by someone who knows eventually. There is simply no reason on earth for the reduction in security at the Benghazi consulate.

This is a plan hatched by the president and the wannabe next president who was Sec. State.

Shame.

32 posted on 08/05/2013 12:00:41 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: NCjim

Valerie Jarrett was born in Tehran. What relationship did she retain with the Mullahs...?

Did she red-light the rescue owing to some extra-American loyalties of hers...?


33 posted on 08/05/2013 12:08:51 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: JAKraig

Yes, this has been the storyline that has the most traction. And your point about the attackers being Egyptian could well be true.

I read the Libyan report. If it’s true then you are correct.

My problem with it is that a plan as you describe it is so incredibly HIGH RISK for both Obama and Morsi. The chances of pulling it off would to be near zero. I can’t speak for Morsi but this just doesn’t sound like something Obama would do particularly when it would draw worldwide attention to a weapons smuggling operation that he is/was running from Libya to Turkey to the Syrian rebels.

Your theory depends on the truth of the Libyan report. It fails if that document is fraudulent.

I will say this: Your theory does explain the incredible pressure by Obama to keep a lid on this story.

I want to see another source that will backup the Libyans version. If you have it let us know. You may well be right about all of this. I’m just not as confident about it as you are.


34 posted on 08/05/2013 12:26:12 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

I’m hoping his subpoena powers will sweat someone out.


35 posted on 08/05/2013 12:29:41 PM PDT by AKinAK
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To: danamco

mr. obumma
That’s what the article says.


36 posted on 08/05/2013 12:32:03 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: MestaMachine

MM - Unclear, who the quoted “No, he is not a Muslim” is from - and who is it about?


37 posted on 08/05/2013 12:57:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

It’s in the article at the link. The author says o is not a muslim. Ha!


38 posted on 08/05/2013 12:59:47 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: MestaMachine

He sure IS, heard him admit it 2008 with my own ears and saw it with my own eyes, hello!!!


39 posted on 08/05/2013 1:24:56 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: MestaMachine

Duh - I read the whole article and got it - I need to read more and ask fewer dumb questions, sorry. He also calls al Sisi a “strong man” and mentions rapes as though they were committed by the military or something. Rest of article seems rational to me (apart from that) and thinking that Mozlems are “homophobic”.


40 posted on 08/05/2013 1:51:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: MestaMachine

Why is the author so stupid? I don’t get it!


41 posted on 08/05/2013 1:56:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: InterceptPoint
I, unfortunately, do not have a secret access to the truth. I like most of us have only seen bits and pieces as I have read everything I can get my hands on. There is very little out there that is rock solid. What is rock solid does not make my accusation less than plausible, in fact the evidence we have so far make it a pretty plausible story.

With Obama anything is possible. He got health care passed. He nationalized the auto industry, except for Ford. He nationalized the school loan program. He has for all intents and purposes nationalized the banking industry. He has voided DOMA, he has pushed queer marriage. He has allowed 24 year old girls to buy abortion pills. It would have simply been impossible to believe all these things would have happened before his election.

It is fact that weapons were being smuggled out of Lybia into the hands of Syrian Rebels who were Al Qeuda sympathizers or Al Queda in fact. It is a fact that Al-Queda off shoots were guarding the embassy. It is a fact that Morsi said that the Blind Sheik would soon be in Egypt.

Everybody knows about the gun running, that would not be enough to change names and hide people all over the world. The deal for the Sheik, that could be a problem it ever proven.

I don't think Congress can handle the truth so they won't seriously go after it. The truth will come out but I suspect it will be decades before it happens.

42 posted on 08/05/2013 8:50:34 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

I’ve read a little more about the Blind Sheik Theory. As outrageous as it sounds there is, as you state, some evidence in it’s favor.

But one bit of evidence seems to weigh against it: The attackers, whoever they were, had Ambassador Stevens. They had their man. But somehow the actions of the CIA guys who resisted the attack are portrayed as disrupting the plan.

How can that be? Stevens had been captured. Why not just whisk him away and go on with the plan to trade for the Blind Sheik?


43 posted on 08/06/2013 6:13:50 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint
You can have someone in your hands and start getting fired on and not able to get away. Or even if you have hands on others of your group may be getting fired on. Once someone is killed it is all over. That is likely why the ambassador was killed, revenge for the apparent double cross.
44 posted on 08/07/2013 2:45:18 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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