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Howard Dean: Meh, Rand Paul isn’t really a libertarian, ’cause he’s pro-life (Watch Video)
Hotair ^ | 08/01/2013 | Erika Johnsen

Posted on 08/01/2013 8:04:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

So, I guess that means that Ron Paul isn’t a ‘real’ libertarian either? Huh. Who knew?

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It’s fascinating to watch this. First of all, lesson number one, for Rand Paul, who is, by the way, not a libertarian. If you believe you ought to be able to tell women what to do with their reproductive rights you are not a libertarian. Lesson number one for Rand Paul, do not take on a guy from Jersey. Obviously this guy does not watch HBO, and, you know, you’re not going to win a fight like this with Chris Christie. That’s not the way it’s going to go.

First of all, no, I don’t know that we would classify Rand Paul as a full-blown, isolationist libertarian looking for a major retrenchment away from the world, and you could reasonably mention that point when the issue at hand is the recent foreign-policy tiff with Chris Christie in the neoconservative corner and Paul representing the recent libertarian-leaning shift. But, why on earth bring up abortion as a libertarian disqualifier in a conversation in which we’re discussing the two sides of the GOP’s national-security spectrum? A, how does it apply? And B, since when can libertarians not be pro-life? I’m pretty sure if Howard Dean thought about it for a moment, he could rationally conceive of why there’s still plenty of debate on abortion among the libertarian set — “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” no?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: abortion; howarddean; kentucky; libertarian; randpaul; randsconcerntrolls
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1 posted on 08/01/2013 8:04:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, Howard, maybe he’s protecting the liberty of the child in the womb so his/her life isn’t snuffed out.


2 posted on 08/01/2013 8:04:59 AM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: SeekAndFind

The yet to be born are not entitled to liberty?


3 posted on 08/01/2013 8:05:03 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

RE: The yet to be born are not entitled to liberty?

To the Dems, they don’t.


4 posted on 08/01/2013 8:06:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought Paul was a Republican.

The libertarian position on abortion:
“Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”


5 posted on 08/01/2013 8:07:13 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12

So, love him or hate him, Howard Dean is right on this then...


6 posted on 08/01/2013 8:08:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Hey Howard, regarding "liberty and justice for ALL", exactly what part of "ALL" don't you understand?
7 posted on 08/01/2013 8:09:07 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: ansel12
The libertarian position on abortion: “Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”

Source?

I'd be willing to consider this position as long as the unborn persons also have a say in the issue.
8 posted on 08/01/2013 8:10:34 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: SeekAndFind

This from a likely former abortionist.


9 posted on 08/01/2013 8:12:07 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind
Dr. Dean is very confused. No one is telling women what to do with their reproductive equipment. But once they act to reproduce, should they have the right to kill their baby? That is an entirely different question.

Someone should advise the Doctor to take his time, and not skip over essential steps in the reasoning process.

William Flax

10 posted on 08/01/2013 8:12:53 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Sopater

That is the current and permanent, platform statement on abortion of the their party.

1.4 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.


11 posted on 08/01/2013 8:13:18 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12
The libertarian position on abortion: “Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”

That's the Libertarian Party's position and it reflects the division among libertarians on the issue.

There are libertarians that argue protection of the unborn is an expression of the government's obligation to protect the innocent against force or fraud. Other libertarians argue that there isn't yet a person to protect.

The difference between the two groups has nothing to do with the philosophy of libertarianism, but instead with questions about the beginning of personhood.

12 posted on 08/01/2013 8:15:31 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: ansel12
I can't agree with this position for the plain fact that gov't is primarily tasked to protect life, liberty, and property.

I take that position from this statement:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...
13 posted on 08/01/2013 8:17:07 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: SeekAndFind

Like a fair number of Freepers (sadly), Dr. Dumbass doesn’t know the difference between the Libertarian Party, and libertarian philosophy.

“I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism” RWR


14 posted on 08/01/2013 8:19:37 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, but he doesn’t know why he’s right, or much of anything else. Ron Paul left the Libertarian Party in no small part over abortion. I think we can assume it plays a big role for his son as well.


15 posted on 08/01/2013 8:22:40 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: ansel12

There’s a large body of pro-life libertarians. I’m one.

Please note the small “l.” The large “L” Libertarians are as corrupted as the R’s and D’s.


16 posted on 08/01/2013 8:26:50 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: SeekAndFind

He only like liberaltarians which want the government to fund killing the unborn and support turning schools into lgbt indoctrination camps.


17 posted on 08/01/2013 8:27:09 AM PDT by Maelstorm (If all are treated as suspects it will not be long before we all are treated as prisoners.)
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To: warchild9
There’s a large body of pro-life libertarians. I’m one.

No there isn't, they exist but they aren't large enough to change the fundamentals of libertarianism.

18 posted on 08/01/2013 8:29:13 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: SeekAndFind
Rand Paul gets the Howard Dean dis of approval? I like it.

Rand Paul must be doing a lot right if Dean feels the need to say or primal scream something quotable.

Atta boy, Rand!

19 posted on 08/01/2013 8:29:16 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rand Paul never called himself a libertarian. He always said that he was a constitutional conservative.


20 posted on 08/01/2013 8:33:37 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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