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U.S. Outlines N.S.A.'s Culling of Data for All Domestic Calls
New York Times ^ | 7/31/13 | Charlie Savage

Posted on 07/31/2013 9:20:20 AM PDT by Nachum

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Wednesday released formerly classified documents outlining a once-secret program of the National Security Agency that is collecting records of all domestic phone calls in the United States, as top officials testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee. As the hearing began, The Guardian newspaper published another document from the archives of Top Secret surveillance matters leaked to it by the former N.S.A. contractor Edward J. Snowden. It was a 32-page presentation describing the N.S.A.´s XKeyscore program, by which N.S.A. analysts can mine vast databases of phone and Internet information the agency has vacuumed up.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; braking; calls; culling; data; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; nsa; nsadata; nsaleaks; obamasfault; phonecalls; snowden; surveillancestate; xkeyscore
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1 posted on 07/31/2013 9:20:20 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 07/31/2013 9:21:05 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Obama english translation:

IN YOUR FACE ! We record all you do and there isn`t a damn thing you can do about it.


3 posted on 07/31/2013 9:27:54 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Happily in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own guardians.)
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To: Nachum
Sure they delete it, after they run their backups.

4 posted on 07/31/2013 9:28:01 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Nachum
From 1963 with RFK:

 photo rfkwiretap1963_zps1de928bb.jpg

Caption reads: "If you want privacy, write a letter" as RFK pops out of the phone receiver.
5 posted on 07/31/2013 9:28:10 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (I miss you Whitey! (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012). Take care, pretty girl!)
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To: Nachum


How could we go about overloading this fiasco..........

6 posted on 07/31/2013 9:33:40 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Macabre Crumpet of Caucasian Ethnicity)
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To: Nachum

That was quick. Looks like now they have a good idea of what Snowden’s got on that thumb drive.


7 posted on 07/31/2013 9:33:51 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: BitWielder1
"Sure they delete it, after they run their backups."

Yep. It gets 'deleted' AFTER it's promptly stored in their massive data storage facility in Utah.

By the way, I couldn't care less about the NSA story compared to the IRS story. Let's see 0bama comply with document requests on that matter! Benghazi, just as important as IRS. Congress needs to prioritize these scandals, otherwise it's all a wash.

8 posted on 07/31/2013 9:38:40 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Nachum
Both of these programs operate on a very large scale, the 2011 briefing paper said, followed by something that is redacted, and then: However, as described below, only a tiny fraction of such records are ever viewed by N.S.A. intelligence analysts.

If my suspicions are valid, this statement is such a Clintoeske offering.

I believe there are electronic sniffers that are able to read this stuff for the staff at the NSA.  The only reason only a few records are viewed by NSA staff, is because all offerings are categorized electronically prior to them having to review.  Thus, every record is essentially read and evaluated.  It's just that they are not all read by NSA intelligence analysts.  Sounds so good when they report that, but it's essentially a little white lie with massive deceit behind it.


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9 posted on 07/31/2013 9:41:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: Nachum; Old Sarge; Velveeta; Oorang; Rushmore Rocks; MamaDearest; DAVEY CROCKETT; Myrddin; ...

The Obama administration on Wednesday released formerly classified documents outlining a once-secret program of the National Security Agency that is collecting records of all domestic phone calls in the United States.

10 posted on 07/31/2013 9:48:58 AM PDT by LucyT (What happens in Vegas stays in the Utah data center.)
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To: Nowhere Man

Now the USPS is going to collect all that metadata too.


11 posted on 07/31/2013 10:25:48 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: LucyT

I hope they like listening in to 900 calls...


12 posted on 07/31/2013 10:26:41 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Do clouds ever look down on us and say, "Hey, look! That one is shaped like an idiot!" G)
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To: Monkey Face

LOL


13 posted on 07/31/2013 10:31:55 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Nachum; All

I want to hear from EVERY FREAKING FREEPER who told us all that with the Patriot Act, “If you aren’t doing anything wrong, what do you have to worry about?”

Love,
Your regular ole tinfoil nutter here.


14 posted on 07/31/2013 10:32:01 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: LucyT

Sometimes I think they call me to see if I’m home.


15 posted on 07/31/2013 10:33:54 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: autumnraine

oops ... I was for it before I found out the truth.


16 posted on 07/31/2013 10:34:34 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

Yeah, lots were. Even me to start with. Then I got paranoid. Seems my paranoia was right.


17 posted on 07/31/2013 10:40:05 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Nachum

PRISM AND THE NSA

18 posted on 07/31/2013 10:46:06 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: autumnraine
I experience one my Son's friend being arrested because of a complaint regarding words on the Internet from a person who said the words were threats. Was a fabricated lie but the authorities were obligated to arrest him. Son's friend spent nearly six months in jail under one/half million dollar bond. Taught me a valuable lesson regarding the Patriot Act. Learned Patriots were the ones being put in jail.
19 posted on 07/31/2013 11:01:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Nachum

This is a smoke screen. Call record searches is unsettling but not the main issue to me. How about grabbing content on millions of users in VZ based on a single court order. At least that is what I read. I want to understand how many FISA intercepts are triggered by one judge signing off.


20 posted on 07/31/2013 11:08:15 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: LucyT

All those people, and I mean ALL of them, who come here and say ‘where’s the evidence’ should take heed.

It’s simple.

Your smartphone
Your smart TV
Your VM machine.
Your webcam
Your car Bluetooth
Your iPad/Surface
Your OnStar or variation
And your inter/intranet.

EVERYTHING is being tracked. The super-secret Shiite that the Super-Secret personnel actually do surpasses ‘birthdays now’ by 1000%. What you say in your car. What you look like when you look up. What your watch says about you.

This isn’t conspiracy. It’s comufact. Those who don’t know or who provide some kind of GLOMAR responses are poseurs and Administration proponents hiding in plain sight.


21 posted on 07/31/2013 11:12:54 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: autumnraine
We are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

The Constitution has been declared null and void by Obama’s goon squad by fiat.

22 posted on 07/31/2013 12:00:50 PM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD? Psalm 112)
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To: Nachum

Snowden is always one step ahead.

I suppose one could claim that was by design.


23 posted on 07/31/2013 12:03:49 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: combat_boots
Your smartphone            No gots
Your smart TV              No gots
Your VM machine.           No gots
Your webcam                No gots
Your car Bluetooth         No gots
Your iPad/Surface          No gots
Your OnStar or variation   No gots
And your inter/intranet.   Gots

Adding:

Your GPS                   No gots
Guess I'm realtively safe. My goal is to be invisible to these f*kers.
24 posted on 07/31/2013 12:11:35 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: 9YearLurker

They already have been collecting it. The outside of every post office letter.


25 posted on 07/31/2013 12:12:51 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

That’s what I meant.


26 posted on 07/31/2013 12:20:07 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Nachum

Massive databases.. Gubamint per usable.. any ol’ darn time ‘they’ want to make sure they heard you right.. or want to prosecute you.

American Gulag 2013


27 posted on 07/31/2013 12:47:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: Nachum
We need to build off this meme from an Obama 2008 ad against Hillary, Why 2008 won't be like 1984... but by 2013, it will!

An ad like that would work against both of them.

28 posted on 07/31/2013 12:50:52 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indentured constituency for 150 years.)
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To: Nachum

29 posted on 07/31/2013 12:57:18 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: autumnraine; Nachum

30 posted on 07/31/2013 1:21:17 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: autumnraine

oh forgot the most important part of my post to you. All the charges were eventually dropped. Took nearly six months but that is the way the whole escapade went.


31 posted on 07/31/2013 1:26:46 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Nowhere Man; Revolting cat!

One of the mobsters who was being wiretapped by RFK was dating Judith Exner (it wasn’t Sam Giancana). He’d have her call JFK at the White House just to #@$& with them.


32 posted on 07/31/2013 1:35:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: autumnraine

I was for it before I was against it. /s


33 posted on 07/31/2013 1:54:25 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

“By the way, I couldn’t care less about the NSA story compared to the IRS story.”


You are not the only person who dismisses one abuse of our freedom (NSA surveillance) in order to focus on another (IRS).

We can, and should, pay attention to both. They are both deadly threats to America.


34 posted on 07/31/2013 2:17:09 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (The Buck Stops Over There.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
By the way, I couldn't care less about the NSA story compared to the IRS story.

You should be much more concerned about the NSA story, because you are foolish to think the information will never be used.
35 posted on 07/31/2013 3:01:18 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: autumnraine
I want to hear from EVERY FREAKING FREEPER who told us all that with the Patriot Act, “If you aren’t doing anything wrong, what do you have to worry about?”

AMEN!

And some of these FReepers tracking this stuff nearly 10 years ago should be given some credit:

Total Information Awareness (TIA) System - Nov 25, 2002 (Free Republic)

EPIC.org Total Information Awareness (TIA) News Nov 25, 2002 (Free Republic)

Critics say Defense 'Total Information Awareness' Impractical - Dec 12, 2002 (Free Republic)

TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS (TIA) UPDATE - Feb 7, 2003 (Free Republic)

Pentagon spy database funding revealed (Total Information Awareness ) - Feb 27, 2003 (Free Republic)

Total Information Awareness Project Undergoes First Test - Apr 10, 2003 (Free Republic)

U.S. Pressing for High-Tech Spy Tools (Total Information Awareness) - Feb 22, 2004 (Free Republic)

U.S. Still Mining Terror Data (Total Information Awareness Program) - Feb 23, 2004 (Free Republic)

Total Information Awareness - Mar 8, 2007 (Free Republic)
36 posted on 07/31/2013 3:02:25 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: 444Flyer
The Constitution has been declared null and void by Obama’s goon squad by fiat.

It's not just Obama's people. A lot of this really started under the Bush administration. And let us not forget that many Republicans in Congress are doing nothing about this, and in fact support it. They are every bit as evil as the Democrats who support this, and they should be voted out of office.
37 posted on 07/31/2013 3:05:07 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: 444Flyer

See #36 about what was going on 10 years ago.


38 posted on 07/31/2013 3:05:30 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: upchuck

What qualifies as a smartphone anymore? If it can go on the internet but not do any apps, is that a not-smart phone? Are they still tracked?


39 posted on 07/31/2013 3:14:23 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Excellence
What qualifies as a smartphone anymore?

I just copied combat_boots' list. ANY cell phone, even the $10 phone from Wal*Mart can be tracked. The world-wide cell phone network depends on GPS for positioning. That's how they track you. You could (in theory) turn off the GPS in your phone. But then you couldn't make or receive calls.

40 posted on 07/31/2013 3:23:25 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: plain talk

it is not just verizon. Read the details, AT&T and sprint as well as several other wireless providers are on the list being trawled. They are not just collecting metadata, they are trawling telcos because they don’t circuit switch (haven’t for a long time). Everybody uses packet switching right now, so there is no differentiation between data, voice, video, audio, email, anything. That’s why it’s called trawling, they access the whole pipe and supposedly only keep what they want, but they have everything that comes through that pipe (what they want and anything else that happens to be in the pipe as well - could be your data).


41 posted on 07/31/2013 3:52:20 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: af_vet_rr

Credit due, credit given!


42 posted on 07/31/2013 4:05:42 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: no-to-illegals

The whole thing sounds ridiculous. At least it would 20 years or so ago.


43 posted on 07/31/2013 4:07:44 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: upchuck

No, I can’t turn it off to the EMS service.


44 posted on 07/31/2013 5:55:15 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: af_vet_rr
"It's not just Obama's people."

True! America was sold down the river a long time ago.:(

45 posted on 07/31/2013 6:40:02 PM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD? Psalm 112)
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To: jurroppi1; plain talk
That’s why it’s called trawling, they access the whole pipe and supposedly only keep what they want, but they have everything that comes through that pipe (what they want and anything else that happens to be in the pipe as well - could be your data).

Dang -- we're the electronic krill and they're the baleen!

46 posted on 07/31/2013 7:26:42 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: upchuck

They gots you on FR.


47 posted on 07/31/2013 7:42:35 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: bgill
They gots you on FR.

Oh yeah! Gots me big time. Gots you, too.

They should pay attention. Might learn something.

48 posted on 07/31/2013 7:59:38 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: thecodont

A fairly apt comparison...


49 posted on 07/31/2013 9:25:55 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: Old Sarge

Hey, that looks like my place in the photo, except that it’s much colder here.


50 posted on 07/31/2013 9:45:03 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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