Posted on 07/30/2013 1:51:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Of course it’s bad 99.5% are, once you actually read them.
The House must not pass an immigration bill.
The House will end up passing amnesty. We the people no longer have a say..
We need to say it like it really is...Any politician who so much as uses the word "REFORM" in place of the word "ENFORCEMENT" is aiding and abetting the LARGEST FOREIGN INVASION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD !
Any Republican who can lay down with these RATS may as well be a RAT themselves and should be drug out of their offices and tarred and feathered, just like in the old days.
Not exactly how it works. If the Senate changes anything in the House bill, the House has to vote on the changed bill. The Senate can’t just change the House bill and “deem it passed.”
He'll do immigration reform by EO before he leaves office.
Who is going to stop them?
Amnesty, legalization, citizenship, permanent residency. These are all separate concepts, but people seem to have difficulty understanding that.
Citizenship: Should not be granted to anyone who entered the country illegally. If they return to their own countries and then apply for re-entry and later for citizenship, that’s another matter.
Amnesty: Amnesty is simply a pardon for the criminal act of crossing the border illegally. The alternative is to throw them in jail, or deport them. If you don’t do either one of those, you’ve granted amnesty. So, are there cases where someone is here illegally, but they shouldn’t be deported or thrown in jail? Of course there are. That doesn’t mean they should be granted citizenship; just that they shouldn’t be jailed or deported. They should be granted amnesty for being here illegally and then their status should be clarified via some form of legalization.
Legalization: Millions are here illegally doing valuable work. While granting many of them amnesty, they should simultaneously be legalized in one of several ways. Legalization could involve granting them visas for temporary stays while they finish school, or green cards for temporary employment, or for long-term employment, depending upon their situations.
Permanent Residency: If someone immigrates to the U.S. but never becomes a citizen, are they to never be granted permanent residency? Why not? The main reason is that they will become a drain on resources, so don’t provide them with those resources. Why should a permanent resident be entitled to welfare, disability, or any other benefit they haven’t earned, just because they choose to live here instead of, say, France? If they can’t figure out how to afford to live here, send them home.
I’m just trying to have a reasonable discussion about all this, by the way, as are, I believe, Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan. (The Gang of 8 is another matter entirely, which is why Rubio got squeamish about being part of it, I suspect.)
We have millions of people here illegally, but many of them can easily have their status legalized as long as citizenship isn’t part of the deal. Obviously, amnesty will have to be part of it, however, or legalization is impossible. To me, all “legalization” really means is “You’re here working illegally; now you’re going to be here working legally under clear rules and conditions.” Then we’d know who’s here. If they remain here illegally anyway, that is, without papers, deportation should be automatic upon discovery.
It goes without saying that border security is paramount, regardless what is done on the legalization front.
I was told if there is a bill coming out of conference... then there is a 100 percent chance it will get passed. Impossible to stop and really simple too.
It will get passed via a discharge petition, which takes a simple majority.
Socialist Dems + RINO Gop = majority.
I would hope even the liberal faction of the Supreme Court would toss out a bill not passed by both Houses, although sometimes one does wonder.
Really though, it would be about as obvious a constitutional violation as Reid declaring that a 45-55 vote against a bill was sufficient to pass it instead. If you’re willing to argue that he could get away with that too, then I guess all bets are off.
It IS scary to imagine what can happen when the President starts to ignore the law, as President Obama seems to do at will, while continuing to get away with it.
You might be right about the odds of it passing. My point is that it still has to be voted through in a single form by both Houses. The Senate can’t dictate to the House by changing the bill unilaterally.
But yes, if a majority can be found in the House of Rep, it will become law if they agree to the Senate version.
Just heard that Sheila Jackson Lee is BO’s choice for the new head of Homeland Security. That would probably be the only thing that could be worse than this bill.
What bill? The House hasn’t put forward any formal proposals yet.
If enough hell is raised this August break, there won’t be a bill.
The GOPe will be as good as dead, like this whole country
Isn’t there a part of the amnesty that grants employers a $5,000 tax break for everyone hired who qualifies for this amnesty as opposed to not getting a break if one is already an American citizen? If so employers will obviously be firing and hiring only these new dreamers. Enough to make one want to puke. Unfriggin’ believable.
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