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Kentucky's Ted Cruz? (Bevin against McConnell)
National Review ^ | 7/29/13 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 07/30/2013 5:46:24 AM PDT by cotton1706

Last week, the Kentucky businessman announced he would challenge Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell in next year’s Republican Senate primary. This will be Bevin’s first entry into the political rodeo. But the longtime Republican has often been a frustrated party member.

“I have a Peroutka for President T-shirt from 2004 in my drawer,” Bevin tells National Review Online in an interview at his Louisville home. He’s referring to Constitution-party candidate Michael Peroutka, for whom he cast his ballot in the general election rather than George W. Bush. “In ’04, I was just so fed up with the choices that we were given,” he says.

During the 2008 election, Bevin recalls, his brother sent him some memorable campaign gear. It was “one of the funniest T-shirts I’ve ever had,” he said: It bore the slogan, “We’re Screwed ’08.” “This was when we had McCain and Obama as the choice,” he says. “We were going to get basically a socialist moderate-type person either way.” He didn’t see a third-party candidate that he liked as a “good viable alternative,” though. “I held my nose,” he says, and cast a ballot for McCain.

Nor is Bevin much pleased with today’s congressional Republicans. “Of 535 members of Congress, I would bet there are two dozen truly conservative people,” he estimates. “We are not being well lead in either the House or the Senate in the Republican party.” He does admire Senator Rand Paul (who has endorsed McConnell), and Senator Mike Lee of Utah, and, perhaps most of all, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. “I love Ted Cruz,” he enthuses. Indeed, “someone like a Ted Cruz” would be his dream pick for a Republican Senate leader to replace McConnell. “I think he could handle it. It would be refreshing.”

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1 posted on 07/30/2013 5:46:24 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Why does he consider Obama a “moderate socialist” rather than a hard-left radical? This makes me concerned about his bona fides.


2 posted on 07/30/2013 5:51:46 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: cotton1706

A good way to say “no” to both McC and Rand Paul, whom I believe would have trouble carrying seven states if he were the 2016 nominee. But KY people won’t vote for unknowns.


3 posted on 07/30/2013 5:55:15 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand poo-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Theodore R.

Was Rand Paul, an eye surgeon, well known in Kentucky before 2010? Granted, his father was well known nation-wide.


4 posted on 07/30/2013 5:59:03 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
“My advice to people who are frustrated with Washington is that there’s probably a better way to spend your time, effort, money, blood, sweat, and tears than trying to have Senator McConnell unelected. I think there are a lot better chances and better use of your time in terms of changing Washington, D.C.”

Hacks like McConnell are the reason why most people are frustrated with Washington. How can you change it without getting rid of McConnell as part of the process?

5 posted on 07/30/2013 6:00:27 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Piranha

I think he didn’t state it exactly as he meant it. That’s just my opinion. A better way would be, Obama - radical socialist, McCain - moderate socialist. Therefore AT BEST EVEN IF THE REPUBLICAN WON YOU’D GET A MODERATE SOCIALIST.

I can’t believe he doesn’t understand that Obama is extremely radical. I agree with you that if he doesn’t, there’s something wrong there.

But I’m guessing he didn’t articulate it the way he understands it within himself.

One thing (among many great things) about Ted Cruz : the man can speak and say what he means to say.


6 posted on 07/30/2013 6:09:51 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

I like Ted.


7 posted on 07/30/2013 6:13:00 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: cotton1706

I give Bevin props for distinguishing Cruz as the best of the 3. That is a good sign.


8 posted on 07/30/2013 6:23:18 AM PDT by rhinohunter (Freepers aren't booing -- they're shouting "Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz")
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To: cotton1706

I give Bevin props for distinguishing Cruz as the best of the 3. That is a good sign.


9 posted on 07/30/2013 6:26:33 AM PDT by rhinohunter (Freepers aren't booing -- they're shouting "Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

See what Cruz did when Jake Tapper demanded to know where was Cruz and what was he doing when George W Bush “violated Constitutional rights” worse than Obama has (according to Tapper)??

Tapper said maybe you (Cruz) spoke up at that time and I just didn’t hear it - to paraphrase.

Clearly Tapper had no idea what the answer was going to be.

Cruz said he was solicitor general of Texas at the time W tried to make Texas follow international law and not execute a murderer because he wasn’t originally from Texas but Mexico and they objected, and he sued W’s administration in federal court and got a 6-3 SCOTUS decision in favor of TX’s position that it was not subject to international law but to its state law.

That’s what I did, Cruz told the gobsmacked Tapper.


10 posted on 07/30/2013 6:26:36 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: cotton1706

Gotta “donate to” link?


11 posted on 07/30/2013 6:32:13 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks

http://www.mattbevin.com/landing/3/


12 posted on 07/30/2013 6:34:24 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Theodore R.

But KY people won’t vote for unknowns.


I live in Kentucky. I’d vote for him.


13 posted on 07/30/2013 6:41:54 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cotton1706

Thanks!

I’ll send him a Bennie for now and see if he gets this off the ground.

Mitchie Poo has got to go.


14 posted on 07/30/2013 6:43:28 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: txrangerette

I interpreted it as Obama=socialist, McCain=moderate. Which would have been understated but largely accurate.


15 posted on 07/30/2013 6:45:10 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: txrangerette
Yes, but it's just a matter of time till the scab pickers come out of the woodwork claiming Cruz is unqualified...
16 posted on 07/30/2013 6:46:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: cotton1706
Indeed, “someone like a Ted Cruz” would be his dream pick for a Republican Senate leader to replace McConnell. “I think he could handle it. It would be refreshing.”

Amen!!!! Put the Senate on Cruz Control!!!

Ted Cruz, Senate Majority Leader 2014!!!

17 posted on 07/30/2013 6:47:00 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: txrangerette

I don’t mean this as a way to knock Bevin out of consideration (and I don’t live in Kentucky anyway). We have been led by so many false conservatives, or by real conservatives who make terrible choices, over and over again and I don’t want to hope for someone again, only to see him turn out to be conservative-lite.

Your analysis sounds credible, especially since by the time we receive this thought it has been filtered through a journalist rather than directly from his lips.


18 posted on 07/30/2013 6:48:27 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: txrangerette

The Cruz Missile strikes again! He’s a rock star and I’d vote for him for anything!...Just like I did for the Senate! :)


19 posted on 07/30/2013 7:11:20 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

“We are all socialists now” was a magazine headline after Obama hit the scene. And socialism has been building and building from both major parties...

I don’t disagree that your interpretation is POSSIBLY what Bevins meant.

I just think Obama’s clear radicalism shows that even socialist isn’t strong enough of a word to define Obama.

The way he spoke sort of melded Obama and McCain into a single type, and I was replying to a comment and saying I don’t think Bevins said what he meant.

As for McCain, he’s radical in that he’s McCain and has a serious disorder of some kind. Moderate is an inadequate word to describe him, no?

Point is, we’re left to guess what Bevins actually believes because he wasn’t clear in what he meant when he said it.

Ted Cruz typically avoids that problem. (Was my other point).


20 posted on 07/30/2013 7:14:02 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette
"I just think Obama’s clear radicalism shows that even socialist isn’t strong enough of a word to define Obama."

I agree. Marxist is a better word. Communist is better still. We're closer on this than it might appear.

21 posted on 07/30/2013 7:16:31 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Piranha

I know you aren’t trying to knock Bevins.

How effectively someone communicates IS a big deal, though.

Usually you don’t have to knock someone about that, they will do themselves in with their own ill-conceived communications.

I noticed the part where, ultimately he “held his nose and voted for McCain”. And I would bet it had something to do with Palin being on the ticket but that wasn’t mentioned if you take the story at face value.

A lot of people even conservatives hesitate with what to do about Sarah Palin being significant to them. To be linked with her will help you in some places but will invite sneers and vitriol from others.

I like what Ted Cruz did. At the Values Voters Summit he played a bit where he surprised the audience as a walk-on to introduce Sarah’s speech. He credited her for his win in Texas and gave her a big hug when she walked out. He called her “Governor Sarah Palin”.

Ha! He got that right out there for all to see.

That was a Reaganesque moment.


22 posted on 07/30/2013 7:22:48 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Everyone is saying that Dems are targeting Texas. True, but recently I found myself saying that Communists are after Texas.

Communism and Fascism have a lot in common. There is a fascistic element to these radicals. Communism and Fascism sound worse than socialism and they are more succinct so I’m beginning to use the words.

Socialism falls more under the banner of that magazine headline - “We are all socialists now”. Not that it’s a minor thing, but it’s more what has been evolving in this country for many years from our politics and media. It’s bad, but like Reagan said of conservativism, turn it around and say that in terms of socialism, “you ain’t seen nothin’ yet”, and you begin to frame his.


23 posted on 07/30/2013 7:29:05 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

The relationship between Communism and Fascism can best be explained if you look at politics as a circle instead of the traditional left-right line.

Put freedom and limited government at the top of the circle and totalitarianism at the bottom and see how it lines up. You’ll find conservatism at the top of the circle, the modern Republican Party near the equator, and Communists, Fascists, statists and liberals at the bottom, where the residue always falls.


24 posted on 07/30/2013 7:57:43 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: cotton1706

Bevin still has some questions to answer, mostly about his military service. Nothing embarrassing, but he needs to get the real information out, before it creates the impression that he is hiding something.

Basically that he was branched Military Intelligence, which he has publicly stated. MI people sometimes have to be a little deceptive, such as in his campaign advertisement where he is wearing his Class A uniform, with no decorations other than Airborne wings and Field Artillery branch insignia.

The career track of a FA officer is first to branch school at Fort Sill, OK, then to some assignment likely with a FA unit.

However, he claims his assignments were to Fort Polk, LA, and later to Texas, most likely Fort Hood or Fort Bliss.

He left the military as a Captain, which is typical for four years of honorable service.


25 posted on 07/30/2013 8:39:01 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: cotton1706

I just don’t think Rand Paul is competitive in a 2016 general election. Maybe I’m wrong, and I will of course vote for him if he is the nominee.


26 posted on 07/30/2013 3:48:29 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Mitt and the grand poo-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: cuban leaf

Well for years they voted for Alben Barkley, Earle Clements, Wendell Ford, John Sherman Cooper, and now McC. Most in KY think McC is a “conservative”.


27 posted on 07/30/2013 3:50:46 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Mitt and the grand poo-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Theodore R.

When I asked if Rand Paul was well known before he was elected, I was referring to your comment that Kentucky people don’t vote for unknowns. Do you live in Kentucky? Was Rand Paul well known before his election, other than being the son of Ron Paul? If he wasn’t, that bodes well for Bevin, since the people would have learned about Paul quickly, took to him and elected him.

On 2016, I actually think Paul would be competitive. He has a certain quiet, yet brilliant way of speaking and he answers questions directly, lacking that slimy politician run the clock out type of answering style.


28 posted on 07/30/2013 5:10:37 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

I don’t live in KY now, but I did in 1984 and voted for McC. KY got McC and TN got Gore in that election. IN stuck with Lugar.


29 posted on 07/30/2013 8:39:44 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Mitt and the grand poo-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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