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Congress to probe lethal SEAL crash
thehill.com ^ | 07/24/13 | Bob Cusack

Posted on 07/24/2013 5:33:21 AM PDT by kimtom

Congress has launched an investigation of the helicopter crash that killed 30 Americans in Afghanistan, including members of the Navy’s elite SEAL Team 6 unit, The Hill has learned. [WATCH VIDEO]

The victims’ families say the Pentagon hasn’t provided answers to their many questions about the deadly attack, which took place on Aug. 6, 2011, three months after Osama bin Laden was killed in Pakistan by Team 6 forces. Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee on National Security, told The Hill, “We’re going to dive into this.”

Chaffetz said he met with the victims’ families about a month ago in what he described as an “emotional” gathering. He is poised to send questions to the Pentagon and may hold hearings on the matter.

Charlie Strange, whose son Michael was among those killed, said he asked President Obama two years ago at Dover Air Force Base to fully investigate. The death toll in the crash was the largest of any ......

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 113th; afghanistan; coindoctrine; congressextortion17; extortion17; extortion17photos; fallen; gwot; roe; sealteam; sealteam6; sourcetitlenoturl
Finally


1 posted on 07/24/2013 5:33:22 AM PDT by kimtom
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To: kimtom
in Honor
2 posted on 07/24/2013 5:35:12 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: kimtom

About damn time....


3 posted on 07/24/2013 5:35:59 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: kimtom

Congress has shown they will DO nothing, all these hearings are a show for the masses.


4 posted on 07/24/2013 5:36:10 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: kimtom

It was a set-up.

They were payback for Osama.


5 posted on 07/24/2013 5:36:58 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: GeronL

And now that there’s an investigation, Obama’s admin will say - “Sorry, can’t comment on an ongoing investigation.”


6 posted on 07/24/2013 5:38:10 AM PDT by PaForBush
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To: Venturer

Damn straight!


7 posted on 07/24/2013 5:38:22 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: PaForBush

true


8 posted on 07/24/2013 5:42:33 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: freebilly

“””...During a ceremony at Bagram Air Base for the 38 killed, the deceased Afghan soldiers were loaded onto planes with the bodies of the U.S. forces. An imam spoke an Islamic prayer that included language on U.S. soldiers burning in hell.....”

“just meat....”
(sarc)


9 posted on 07/24/2013 5:43:22 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: freebilly

Ditto...
I’ve been contacting my congress critter for the past year to get something started...what freakin’ country do we live in to let this pass??? Geeze.


10 posted on 07/24/2013 6:02:53 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: kimtom

Obama isn’t worthy to lick the boots of any one of those guys. American voters should be charged for their deaths. They should never have had a foreign enemy combatant acting as their Commander-in-Chief. It wasn’t just Obama who has pissed on their graves; the American voters did by putting these lives in the hands of a forger, perjurer, and fraudster owned and installed through the threats and murders by a communist-Islamist alliance. I am both livid and sick that all our attempts to prevent it have been ambushed by a lying, thieving, murderous media, courts, and Congress.

The families of these men and all of our military people deserve answers - from this regime AND from Congress, the media, every eligibility judge, SCOTUS justices, law enforcement at local, state, and federal levels, bureaucrats in the Passport Office, IRS, Social Security Adminsitration, INS, Selective SErvice, FBI, CIA, Hawaii Department of HEalth, and Hawaii AG’s office, as well as every stinkin’ voter who voted for the SOB - including the guy who testified before Congress on Benghazi. These families deserve to know exactly what happened and exactly why it happened. Any one of these families should have automatic standing to get legal answers as to how a foreign enemy combatant was allowed to ACT as Commander-in-Chief even though he has never qualified to do so, in direct violation of the 20th Amendment.

Everybody who poo-poohed this issue needs to look long and hard at the photos of these men and try to say with a straight face that it doesn’t matter whether the Commander-in-Chief is a foreign enemy combatant, and that the battle over requiring proof of Presidential eligibility was just a silly distraction.

These men are just the first-fruits of the innocent patriots who will be sacrificed on the altar of the Alinsky “god”, to appease the political beast. Take a good hard look. The communist-Islamist coup that took over America in 2008 was not a victimless crime.


11 posted on 07/24/2013 6:04:32 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: kimtom

I always wondered what idiot decided to send 30+ Special Opns. warriors into a hot LZ on a slow moving target like a Chinook. I told my son who is an SF Major that the Commander who made that decision should be relieved. Even in Vietnam, we learned that when you go into a hot LZ you use multiple fast moving aircraft (In that case UH-1’s). I am glad to see that someone is investigating this and I can’t understand why the services didn’t dig into it deeper at the time.


12 posted on 07/24/2013 6:04:51 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Venturer

Double damn straight!!!
And while they’re at it, look into whether there really was an effin’ muzzle cleric at the memorial, sent by the Muzzie-in-Chief...


13 posted on 07/24/2013 6:05:45 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I have also wondered not using multiple insertion aircraft?


14 posted on 07/24/2013 6:17:02 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

When you use a Chinook in a Hot LZ, you might as well paint a Bullseye on it. I have never understood this decision.


15 posted on 07/24/2013 6:19:29 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: butterdezillion
“..These men are just the first-fruits of the innocent patriots who will be sacrificed on the altar...”

Prophetic utterance.......

16 posted on 07/24/2013 6:24:27 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: kimtom

One of them was a FReeper.


17 posted on 07/24/2013 6:27:37 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation is destroying the USA.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

The military has been covering for Obama all along. If he doesn’t want something investigated it won’t be investigated. Lt Col Terry Lakin found that out the hard way. The doctrine of “do whatever you’re told unless it’s to directly murder” has been promulgated all over the place, and it shouldn’t surprise anybody if we get a military that serves as the hit squad at the bidding of a foreign enemy combatant CINC. That’s what we’ve told the military is their JOB, and they will be court-martialed if they keep their oaths to protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic.

Obama doesn’t want this investigated because this planned attack on SEAL Team 6 was his way to appease his Islamofasict overlords, after he had to announce that Bin Laden had been killed, as a distraction from the now-certified birth certificate forgery that people were beginning to document at the time of the Bin Laden raid.

And Obama has personally gone even farther than that, in allowing the terrorists to avenge Bin Laden’s death. Michelle Obama personally visited Bin Laden’s son in the hospital after he was caught at the finish line acting suspiciously at the Boston marathon bombing. AND they allowed Bin Laden’s son to attend a 4th of July celebration for military personnel at the White House.

The media knows this darn good and well, because intel sources provided documentation to Glenn Beck as well as to 10 Congress members, and Beck forwarded that information to the major media sources. Reporters wrote stories about it but editors would not allow the stories to be published. The incestuous relationship between the Obama regime and the media heads has been noted elsewhere.

Those media folks who aren’t already in bed with the regime were originally threatened in October of 2008 over the eligibility issue (as documented in a signed statement to Doug Hagmann) and have since been spied on (the Fox reporter), had their computer hacked (Attkisson), or been killed (Breitbart, Hastings) under suspicious circumstances in LA which were then covered up by the coroner’s office in which a tech was poisoned by arsenic in a case which the LAPD willfully lied to cover up and refused to investigate in spite of the perp being easily trackable.

All this stuff needs to be investigated by Congress. Every stinkin’ dot in its own right needs to be investigated, and when you put all those dots side by side a clear image emerges - the murder of this nation while the entire system looked on and ignored the screams of those who saw it happening before their very eyes.


18 posted on 07/24/2013 6:41:53 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
"..The fault lies with the Counter-Insurgency (COIN) doctrine, which both Bush and Obama have clung to despite massive evidence of its failure. The U.S. government is more concerned with appeasing Muslims both in America and in Muslim countries than in defending Americans against the global jihad. Obama even refuses to name the enemy. Meanwhile, his disastrous Rules of Engagement place our troops -- like Aaron Vaughn -- in unnecessary danger, and have cost countless American lives. When Extortion 17 was fired on, it wasn't allowed to fire back -- because of the Rules of Engagement. Our troops in Afghanistan are so restricted in ways that they're not even allowed to fire on the enemy without permission -- which means that the Taliban and al Qaeda can shoot at our soldiers at will and then disappear while our forces are trying to get permission to return fire. And that isn't even the worst of all. The COIN doctrine forbids us to try to vet Afghans who want to work with the military. The result has been massive infiltration and an ever-growing number of green-on-blue attacks by our supposed "allies" against the American troops who are risking their lives to train them. And the green-on-blue attacks are only one aspect of the infiltration. The Taliban always seem to know what operations our troops are going to undertake...." www.americanthinker.com
19 posted on 07/24/2013 6:52:28 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: kimtom

The admin has had two years to fix the records. This will be answered to right after Benghazi, the IRS, NSA, the Trinity Church executions, Breitbart, Hastings, etc...


20 posted on 07/24/2013 6:57:26 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: butterdezillion
our "inaction" is a slap.......
21 posted on 07/24/2013 6:57:26 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: kimtom

Don’t forget their dog.


22 posted on 07/24/2013 6:58:17 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Maybe the same person who named the operation “Extortion 17”...


23 posted on 07/24/2013 7:00:25 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I will start this by saying this is all my speculation based on experience and not sourced except from info in the public.

The first team that was inserted and got in trouble was sent based on Afgan intel. This group was then ambushed and the decision was made to send our best and most highly trained guys in the world on slow birds to help. WHY, I am sure they had several good teams that could have accomplished an EVAC but no they send the best of the best.
I think this was an ISI setup from the start. Someone made the deal to trade these great men to help those beasts in the ISI to save face in the wake of the Bin Laden raid( State Dept). Only speculation based on experience.

Makes me sick inside to see those pictures of these great men and know that this government did not have their back. UHHG.

I repeat only speculation to all who are reading this in DC.


24 posted on 07/24/2013 7:01:01 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: bgill
????????
25 posted on 07/24/2013 7:05:43 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: kimtom

bm


26 posted on 07/24/2013 7:30:37 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :)
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To: Venturer

Well can’t have anybody talking about thawing Osama out before dumping him at sea. It was a total set up.


27 posted on 07/24/2013 7:34:35 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: kimtom

I have read many stories and reports on this issue, including many conspiracy theories implying something linked to the capture of Bin Laden.

All of the conspiracy theories ignore the fact that “Seal Team Six” is not an individual unit, there is more than one “Seal Team Six” unit and multiple units can be deployed in the field at the same time; in missions unrelated to each other at all.

Conspiracy theories aside, that does not mean there are no questions that reflect on possible incompetence and/or negligence in command decisions, whether following “rules and procedures” or not. I think there are.


28 posted on 07/24/2013 7:54:44 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

UH-1s are not fast movers as they have a lower cruise speed than a CH-47F, by about 20 knots. Dispersing the force across UH-60s, if they were available, would have been a better idea but Mogadishu showed that even they are vulnerable to RPGs. Also, 3305 Hueys were lost in Vietnam.


29 posted on 07/24/2013 7:57:27 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: kimtom
Interesting fact from the article:

"All the bodies were cremated. The Pentagon has defended the cremation to the soldiers’ families, saying the bodies were badly burned.

Chaffetz, however, said he has seen a photo of a deceased SEAL that was not.

“The body I saw didn’t need to be cremated,” Chaffetz said, adding that the Department of Defense’s explanation of its failure to find the helicopter’s black box seems “awfully odd.”

The same thing happened to reporter Michael Hastings's body. It was cremated without notification to his family despite a report by an eyewitness that it wasn't badly burned at the "accident" site.

Dead men tell no tales and incinerated evidence can't be re-examined.

30 posted on 07/24/2013 8:09:53 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Sort of like Obama’s grandma...


31 posted on 07/24/2013 8:16:40 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Dr. Thorne

“..Dead men tell no tales and incinerated evidence can’t be re-examined.
..”

They have learned since Vince Foster...

what evidence they can’t burn, they bulldoze; Waco, OK city, etc.


32 posted on 07/24/2013 8:31:26 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
CH-47, are large, noisy targets.

UH-60 quieter.
But either way, neither an advantage in an ambush.

I didn't think UH Hueys were used anymore (my era)

33 posted on 07/24/2013 8:37:13 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: Dr. Thorne

It would be worth it for a privately funded expedition to retrieve Bin Laden’s body double from the bottom of the ocean, just to watch world leaders squirm over the implications.


34 posted on 07/24/2013 9:07:24 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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There’s a facebook page dedicated to getting a congressional hearing. It is backed by the families. They’ve been relentless. “Extortion 17 Demand a Congressional Hearing.” www.facebook.com/Extortion17DemandaCongressionalHearing.


35 posted on 07/24/2013 11:13:03 AM PDT by Mel48
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Vice President Biden should be doing hard prison time for outing SEAL Team #6 as the team that got Osama. Biden’s big mouth put a target on 6’s backs. Liberals can’t keep secrets, and who the eff entrusts Afghans with classified info relating to SEAL Team 6 flights? Swapping the Afghans on board at the last few seconds is very suspicious, not to mention their name discrepancies on the flight manifest, too.


36 posted on 07/24/2013 3:09:57 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: kimtom
<7>FINALLY
37 posted on 07/26/2013 3:47:03 PM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Venturer
It was a set-up. They were payback for Osama.

Exactly what I believe, sadly.

38 posted on 07/26/2013 4:18:30 PM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: OwenKellogg
One of them was a FReeper.

Seriously? Which one?, I never knew, my cousin is an LT SEAL...hurts all the more.

39 posted on 07/26/2013 4:21:27 PM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I often wonder how far away was the OCEAN to dump his body?
sounds just weird


40 posted on 07/26/2013 4:28:24 PM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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