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To: MHGinTN; RaceBannon; kimtom; bray
MHGinTN: " conceptualization offered by Dr. Gerald Schroeder regarding the age of the Universe as counted by counting the number of times the Universe has doubled in size (looking from the big bang toward our day, a bit more than six times, so far)..."

Age of the Universe, by Gerald Shroeder

Excellent article, well written and well worth the time to read and understand.
Thanks.
In summary: according to Einstein, to one traveling at or near the speed of light, billions of stationary years can go by in a single 24-hour day.

On kimtom's larger subject of faith versus reason -- we all have "faith" that when we flip the switch, a light will come on, and very few of us understand details of science, engineering, manufacturing and service required to make that happen.
But if, as happens occasionally, the light fails to come on, then our "faith" gives way to reason -- is it just a light bulb, or something in the switch, or maybe a local power outage?
So reasoning takes over when faith proves inadequate.

Well, then, in what sense is the Bible inadequate, that we should need to reason our way around or out of it?
I'd say, in no sense, but let's play along...

It's said that our interpretations of scripture don't always mesh well with scientific understandings.
For example, the Bible says G*d created the Universe plus life on earth, and G*d's Son brings us salvation and life.
By supposedly stark contrast, science tells us that Something created the Universe with life on earth, and Something's principles can bring us longer happier life.

So how is the Something of science different from the Bible's Deity?
Well first, science by it's own choice strips way from Something all values such as "plan", "purpose", "design", "objective", "love" and such moral values as would support those.
Science instead suggests the Universe is random, accidental, un-directed, arbitrary and without values or moral content.

Why does science say such things?
Because that's the nature of science.
Does science prevent us from seeing that the Universe had not only a moment of creation, but also a Creator?
Not in the least, especially when you consider the thin-to-nonexistent evidence supporting their speculations about possible "multiverses" and "time before creation".

Indeed, if we were to give such speculations any credence at all, might they just as easily be abodes for certain hosts mentioned in scripture?

My point is this: as long as fundamentals don't change, why sweat the small stuff?
True fundamentals never change.

45 posted on 07/28/2013 7:19:24 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
Glad you enjoyed Schroeder's essay. He has put a great deal of scholarship (he searches the Torah and writings of the ancient Rabbis) and contemplation into that notion he so clearly articulates.

I wonder how many Christians would cringe at the notion that God is still creating, using the Salvation process through The Grace of God in Christ to bring into being new creations? ... That's in the Bible, if one looks.

46 posted on 07/28/2013 8:05:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: BroJoeK

.Why does science say such things?.”

Isn’t this only “a method”
(not an explanation)

we interpret the data collected.
(or purposely mis-interpret...whatever the case...)


59 posted on 07/29/2013 3:51:34 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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