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"Unlike Naturalists, You Creationists Have a Blind Faith"
www.apologeticspress.org ^ | 7/1/2013 | Jeff Miller, Ph.D.

Posted on 07/22/2013 8:45:30 AM PDT by kimtom

We openly grant that the accusation represented by the title of this article is true, at least for many individuals today. But not for all.

“Blind Faith”—Many Have It

What is “blind faith”? What is meant by the accusation? The idea behind “blind faith” is that a person chooses to believe in something or someone (namely, God) without any supporting evidence. The portrait painted in our minds is that of a person who puts on a blindfold and steps up to a ledge. He cannot see what is beyond the ledge. He has no idea how far down the drop is—whether or not he will plummet to his death, break his legs, or simply fall down. He has no idea if there is water, a trampoline, or rocks at the bottom. He simply decides to believe that he will not die if he jumps off—that he will be safe. He has no evidence, only pure, baseless “faith.” So, he takes a “leap of faith.” Question: who in their right mind would do such a thing? Whoever has such a faith truly is naïve, an extremely emotionally, rather than rationally, charged individual, and possibly is in need of counseling, or has an agenda for having such a belief system.

Sadly many people have such a “faith.” Many people call themselves Christians, and claim to believe in the Bible, but clearly have not read it. They have a “blind faith” which, according to the Law of Rationality (Ruby, 1960, pp. 130-131), is irrational. Their belief in God is not based on the evidence, but is a blind leap into the dark without it. Philosphers call this phenomenon “fideism” (Popkin, 1967, 3:201-202). However, the ......

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To: bray

“Shouldn’t there be millions of mutated fossils turning a dog into a horse?” ... Um, no. But Science may be on the lookout for a fossil which indicates the branching point where the mammals known as horses began to exist different from the branch which became dogs, eventually. Or the reverse, dogs branching from the line which became horses. That’s the way the concept works; if it is valid is not the question you asked however.


21 posted on 07/22/2013 9:34:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: RaceBannon; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Without picking at nits, there is an interesting thought experiment, using the conceptualization offered by Dr. Gerald Schroeder regarding the age of the Universe as counted by counting the number of times the Universe has doubled in size (looking from the big bang toward our day, a bit more than six times, so far), compared to the continuous counting from our perspective billions of years into the process looking back at the big bang. [ http://www.geraldschroeder.com/AgeUniverse.aspx }

If we take the perspective looking from the big bang, the rise of life on earth is a very short amount of one day, and the appearance of humans an even shorter period as a second in a day. I may be really a weird dude, but when I look at the process of evolution within the six plus days looking from the big bang to today I can accept that the process is what God uses, for it appears almost instantaneous at each change if it has all happened in just six days to today.

22 posted on 07/22/2013 9:42:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: kimtom

Faith is a method of knowledge. Just like science.

That is, one can come to know with as much certainty that God exists, as one can “know” anything exists.

This is because what is “reasonable” is not commonly what is accepted as “reasonable” rather what is truely reasonable is that which takes into account the totality of factors about a “thing”, to know that “thing”. This sounds the same as what is commonly believed but it is not.

That is, true knowledge of an object is dictated by the object in question, and the totality of factors that are true and part of that object. Not what we imagine is true, but what is actually true about an object, and everything about the object,excluding nothing.

Again this may sound the same as what everyone thinks is “reasonable” but is not. Indeed, what most think is “reasonable” is actually opinionated thought, influenced not by the totality of factors but by one’s prejudices.

If this intrigues whoever reads this post, then read “At the Origin of the Christian Claim” by Msgr. Luigi Giussani.

If not then continue to believe there is an inherrent dichotomy between science and faith if you wish. (Even though there isn’t, if one is truly reasonable as described above)


23 posted on 07/22/2013 9:42:49 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: MHGinTN

then you deny Scripture

What is the order of Creation according to Genesis?

And how does that order of event smatch up to evolution?


24 posted on 07/22/2013 9:47:58 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Telling the truth about RINOS, PAULTARDS, Liberals and Muslims has become hate speech)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

The best reply to this I found on a local church’s message board:

Faith is not belief without understanding but trust without reservation.


25 posted on 07/22/2013 9:48:11 AM PDT by GeorgeTex (Obama-Four M President (Mendacious Manchurian Muslim Marxist))
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To: RaceBannon

No I do not deny scripture. What Shroeder has enumerated lends even greater credulity to what God gave us in Genesis. I do however think that God did not include every itemized moment in the process He uses to Create it all. There is no need for God to itemize since He gave the Bible to be used by those of faith. It was not given as a Science book thus many steps may be left out of the description giving just the barest overview. Is it blasphemous to seek to fill in the steps God left out of the summary?


26 posted on 07/22/2013 9:54:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

If people won’t stand for something then they’ll fall for anything -Anon


27 posted on 07/22/2013 10:09:40 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: MHGinTN

If people won’t stand for something then they’ll fall for anything -Anon


28 posted on 07/22/2013 10:09:53 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: kimtom

Well, a true naturalist isn’t only void of blind faith, but of ANY faith. Just listen to Alex Rosenberg. These people don’t believe in free will and aren’t even sure that they are real. Perhaps we’re all in a video game.

This is why I favor intelligent design. It comports with basic beliefs and makes sense.


29 posted on 07/22/2013 10:11:06 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: kimtom

Gene evidence has allowed us to move from theory to fact that dogs evolved from wolves over thousands of years, once released from the Ark, and did not evolve from jackals.
Over the last several hundred years, through principles of animal husbandry and ‘artificial selection,’ breeders have been able to breeds such as the St. Bernard and Chihuahua from the the first ‘dogs’, the molossus and alaunt.
Men using the materials provided to them: ‘artificial selection’ is a fact.

Why should it be surprising that over many millions of years G-d should not have been doing the same things with all of His creation?


30 posted on 07/22/2013 10:13:34 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: bray

“..Shouldn’t there be millions of mutated fossils turning a dog into a horse?..”

yes, well, logic states there should be a clear line in the fossil record.
That is why they have artists drawing feathers on “dinosaurs” because they want to push that narrative.
(like Libs)


31 posted on 07/22/2013 10:18:25 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: MHGinTN

“...Is it blasphemous to seek to fill in the steps God left out of the summary?....”

The “smartest” men on earth today, can’t understand life so why would God revel everything???
(rhetorical)


32 posted on 07/22/2013 10:25:34 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: kimtom

Because

Because you don’t understand
You don’t believe
Because you can’t find truth
You wail and grieve

In your heart
There is no Peace
You can’t let go
There’s no release

There must be Trust
And Love and Faith
For fear to leave
Life, in its place

Only the Spirit
Can bring true growth
Discernment yearns
To fill your mouth

For you to walk
The Shepherd’s Path
You must give up
All that you have

The more you give
The more is yours
And Faith and Love
And Trust endures


33 posted on 07/22/2013 10:26:29 AM PDT by wizr (We are "one Nation, under God " or "one nation, trod under ". Keep the Faith.)
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To: MHGinTN

So where are the branch fossils or do you just accept the theory on faith alone. Sorry, God is a better explanation, but I do admire your fundamental belief.

Pray for America to Wake Up


34 posted on 07/22/2013 10:39:05 AM PDT by bray (Coming soon: The Republic of Texas 2022)
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To: kimtom

You have to understand that evolutionists are simply smarter than God believers. It is about their superiority to us knuckle draggers.

After 150 years you would think scientists would begin to question their theory?

Pray for America to Wake Up


35 posted on 07/22/2013 10:41:29 AM PDT by bray (Coming soon: The Republic of Texas 2022)
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To: bray

It is about their superiority to us knuckle draggers....”

exactly...

How can smart men believe in spontaneous generation??

Abiogenesis


36 posted on 07/22/2013 10:47:35 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: Arm_Bears

I was referring to your contention that naturalists pray to Charles Darwin. You know better, but you can’t help but bear false witness.


37 posted on 07/22/2013 10:53:50 AM PDT by stormer
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To: kimtom

God’s answer in Romans 1:18-20:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.


38 posted on 07/22/2013 11:06:53 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: bray

Can you understand that I neither accept it nor reject it. I don’t think we have yet acquired enough data to make a final decision on the issue. And to answer my own question, it is NOT blasphemous to seek the portions of data God left out of the summary. we have acquired quite a few of these pieces of data and in every case the finding reinforces that a Designer is at work.


39 posted on 07/22/2013 11:12:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Exactly, which is why I do not give evolution the benefit of the doubt. It exists to prove God doesn’t exist.


40 posted on 07/22/2013 12:46:35 PM PDT by bray (Coming soon: The Republic of Texas 2022)
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