Skip to comments.Canadian-born Ted Cruz says “facts are clear” he’s eligible to be president
Posted on 07/21/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin
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Read the law.
I find it exceedingly odd that the all of the POTUS nominees since Bush have been of odd birthplace, or questionable status. McCain - Panama, Romney- Father born in Mexico, Obama - Father not a citizen, Obama born a British Subject, than possibly adopted by Soetoro etc... It almost seems too bizarre to be purely a coincidence.
I just got in from a fishing trip from last night little jeremiah. I think Cruz stated the true facts of what he is, a U.S. Citizen BUT he didn’t say that to mean he was ineligible. I think he stated it to bring debate to the issue because the term ‘Natural Born Citizen’ does not like to be talked about by liberals or the media because it the focus will shift to Obama. They prefer U.S. Citizen instead. So I think this is a psychological game by Ted to see if the libs will turn full birther because if they do, it forces discussion about Obama’s eligibility. That’s just my take for now.
I don’t mind if foreign born US citizens are elected to Congress. What I do mind is that the vast majority of them are avowed leftsts, racists, Communist/socialist party members, riding the gravy train until the wheels fall off, or unprincipled eunuchs.
That’s why the economy is on self destruct.
Not true at all. Based on what?
USC 1401 says that Cruz is "natural born". One would have to show that the US Constitution contradicts 1401 to make 1401 unconstitutional, and to make Cruz not a NBC.
They wanted someone with a strong attachment to our country that they gained by being born with it.
Three of our first four Presidents held dual citizenship with another country.
While they were President.
George Washington (1), Thomas Jefferson (3), and James Madison (4).
There is not hint that they ever renounced that dual citizenship, that they ever talked about it, or that anybody in the country ever gave a damn.
They were all native born Americans.
John Adams (2) did not.
Exactly. I vote for Netanyahu when he’s finished his term in Israel.
Really makes me wonder about some of their motives, esp. those with pretty recent signup dates.
Cruz was naturalized at birth if his mother met the criteria under Sec. 301 (a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952.
I read the law. YOU read the law.
Really? Where specifically?
Someone cared enough to include a passage in the CONSTITUTION to address their eligibility as ‘grandfathered in’. And here you have been trying to convince us for all these weeks that you know the Constitution! Check your talking points ...
Thank you for your take. I very much hope you are correct. I will take back every disparaging word I said about them, publicly!
I mean disparaing word about him.
I must preview every comment.
“8 U.S.C. § 1401 The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:”
He just has to get his comments in. Maybe paid by comment?
And hopes some readers will be duped.
As far as I know, he wasn't. If I recall, his father wasn't a citizen until 2005, well beyond the point that derivation would have been able to play a part in his son's citizenship.
There is nothing in Cruz's citizenship to keep him from holding any public office except the President or VP. Having admired his knowledge of the Founder's intent and having voted for him twice, I must say I'm disappointed he has made such a statement.
Congressional studies are NOT the PLAIN LANGUAGE of the U. S. Constitution.
Natural Born means BOTH parents were U.S. Citizens, not just one of them.
Obama was born God-Knows-Where, and his father was NOT a U.S. Citizen at the time of his birth, which makes him ineligible, but the Powers that put this Usurper in the White Hut are not bound by Law, anyway, nor are they bound by the U.S. Constitution. Their power keeps Congress, the USSC, and citizenry itself from pursuing the issue of an Illegal POTUS, plus the threat of inner-city tribal parasite revolt if he's Outed is a threat that none want to confront by kicking his sorry ass off to prison for perpetrating one of the greatest Frauds in World History.
does not matter , Obama is staying,true story
IMO Obama has a better claim to NBC status than Cruz. There are three possible factors to consider: mother’s citizenship status, father’s citizenship status, place of birth.
Obams meets two of three, Cruz one of three.
An interesting take. I hope that is his intent. He recently spent time in New Hampshire, I have some reservations.
Could be. Like I said, the Cruz situation is a bit less obvious then the out and out lie that is "Barack Barry Hussein Obama Soetoro" or who knows what. Frank Marshall's revenge on Whitey, maybe....
Recall that people here used to think Rubio was God.
I'm still unconvinced that Cruz is not simply a more polished version of that.
Palin is a different story.
Soetoro should have been disqualified the day he filed. That he wasn't may turn in to the final nail in the coffin of the Constitution, and in 30 years we end up with a ranting Hispanic demagogue in the office, presiding over a decrepit Banana Republic.
No, that's not what he said.
He said that because he is a US citizen by birth, and not by naturalization, he is a legally and Constitutionally a natural born citizen and eligible to be President.
Throughout our entire national history, "natural born citizen" has basically meant "citizen by birth." That's what the term has ALWAYS meant to pretty much EVERYBODY, until about 4 years ago, when someone came along and tried to change the definition because they didn't like Obama, and you bought into it, because YOU didn't like Obama.
There were those of us whose love of our Constitution was greater than our dislike of Obama, who tried to tell you, but you wouldn't listen, because your dislike of Obama was greater than your love of the Constitution.
Why is he saying this? Hes not stupid.
Exactly. He's saying this because he's not stupid.
Excuse me I stated “BUT he didnt say that to mean he was ‘ineligible’”. I meant to say ‘eligible’.
With tens of millions of impeccably natural-born citizens being anti-American, this strategy doesn't seem to be very successful. I would not be very surprised if a greater percentage of naturalized citizens have a strong attachment to America than native-born.
I'm not saying this wasn't their intent, just that it doesn't work anymore.
There are millions of people who do meet all the requirements. No need to make exceptions
Quote for truth. Just what have the Birthers been up to? Do they think they can win this fight on the internet?
For Cripe's sake, their inability to get anything done sets the stage for it happening again.
As I said to you, a person who is a citizen "at" the time of birth is not a person who becomes a citizen "subsequent" to the time of birth.
A person who becomes a citizen "subsequent" to the time of birth is a "naturalized citizen". A person who is a citizen at the time of birth is "natural born".
Read section A of 1401. Then read section H.
Most of us are covered under Section A as natural born. Others such as Cruz are covered under Section H.
Now, as I told another poster, if you want to claim that USC 1401 is unconstitutional, then have at it. BUT USC 1401 in and of itself makes Cruz an NBC.
Yes, it is, Sven.
The Certificate of Citizenship you link to is merely a recognition of that automatic citizenship, and a proof of that citizenship. It even says right on the application for that certificate:
To determine if you were born a U.S. citizen, USCIS must look at the law that was in effect at the time of your birth.
USC 1401 says that Cruz is “natural born”.
Show me exactly where in the language of 8 USC 1401 where the specific term ‘natural born’ is used. I await your response. You are free to cut and past it if you like.
Your issue is with the law, not me.
Yes I am bowing out of this debate for now, sorry.
Originally it seemed to me (H) was evidence for Cruz. However I was reading part of that requirement wrong, I think?
A person born before, May 24, 1934.
Now I’m thinking that (H) doesn’t apply, because I don’t believe Cruz was born before May 24, 1934?
And I am frankly confused by (G).
So I’m going back to neutral on this for now.
Do however carry on.
As far as I’m concerned this just moves me back to the middle.
We are no doubt about to be spammed with a lengthy pre-written ramble of twisted data meant to confuse average readers. This being Freerepublic. most of us will be laughing while trying to decide if his foolishness is worth posting rebuttal for.
This Texan would gladly vote for him except for the fact that he is NOT eligible.
Following the USC is for fools. It’s a free for all now. So let Cruz run, what difference does it make?
Because a naturalized citizen is made a citizen by the laws of Man, which is by statute or edict.
This is a citizen AT birth.
A NATURAL born citizen is made such by the Laws of Nature. It is inherited by blood, so the citizenship of the child follows the citizenship of the NATURAL parents.
This is a citizen BY birth.
Ted Cruz is not a natural-born citizen.
any one know who Karl Rove is running for press?
This simply isn't true.
Generally speaking, people who believe it takes both have "educated" themselves only with the writings of cranks and quacks.
Those who have studied the meaning of natural born citizen in our history and law don't think that way.
There's not a single major legal scholar in the entire country, or a single significant conservative legal foundation, who makes that claim.
Was Cruz born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934?
Obama’s father was something of a Kenyan elite, attending university here as part of an exchange program. It could be claimed that as such he was a representative of Kenya, strike one, did he ever claim diplomatic immunity in any way? He wasn't even a resident alien, strike two, with no desire to even remain here let alone become a citizen.
Cruz’ father was in a position tantamount to statelessness at the time Ted Cruz was born, but had resided in the United States, did return there, did reside there, and did eventually became a US citizen.
Sovereignty is the crux of the matter, with no jurisdictional claims of any foreign sovereignty allowed under the Constitution, as far as those who would be President are concerned.
“He said that because he is a US citizen by birth, and not by naturalization, he is a legally and Constitutionally a natural born citizen and eligible to be President.”
Well, well, well, if it isn’t our Fogbow and Dr. Conspiracy disciple who has arrived to obfuscate historical facts about the true meaning of a natural born citizen, born to two U.S. Citizen parents to guarantee full allegiance to the United States of America. Well Jeff, no Cruz did not say that to mean he was eligible.
Jeff also states: “Throughout our entire national history, “natural born citizen” has basically meant “citizen by birth”.
That is a bold face lie fogbower. If true, then what was the purpose of putting both ‘Natural Born Citizen’ and ‘Citizen’ in the presidential clause?
No person except a ‘natural born Citizen’, or a ‘Citizen’ of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Correct, everything I see above that Cruz said is true as he cut off the talk when he said, . Im not going to engage in a legal debate.
I think he stated it to bring debate to the issue because the term Natural Born Citizen does not like to be talked about by liberals or the media because it the focus will shift to Obama.
Cruz is smart to play it that way.
Because under the laws in effect when Churchill was born citizenship for children born overseas was granted through the father. Children with a foreign father and an American mother were not citizens.
Whether it be this citizenship issue or something else, we WILL demolish Ted Cruz as a Presidential candidate, just like we did Sarah Palin. The Democrats won’t need to destroy him, we will do it ourselves, as the Dems laugh at our stupidity. And then hello Jeb Bush, then hello President Hillary Clinton. I do believe we have become too stupid to survive. We deserve both Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz saying to hell with us all, we don’t deserve their leadership. And they would be right.