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Canadian-born Ted Cruz says “facts are clear” he’s eligible to be president
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com ^ | 07/21/2013

Posted on 07/21/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin

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To: FreeReign

Read the law.


101 posted on 07/21/2013 10:46:53 AM PDT by Ray76 (An armed society is a polite society.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Excellent comments.


102 posted on 07/21/2013 10:47:32 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ira_Louvin

I find it exceedingly odd that the all of the POTUS nominees since Bush have been of odd birthplace, or questionable status. McCain - Panama, Romney- Father born in Mexico, Obama - Father not a citizen, Obama born a British Subject, than possibly adopted by Soetoro etc... It almost seems too bizarre to be purely a coincidence.


103 posted on 07/21/2013 10:49:12 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: little jeremiah

I just got in from a fishing trip from last night little jeremiah. I think Cruz stated the true facts of what he is, a U.S. Citizen BUT he didn’t say that to mean he was ineligible. I think he stated it to bring debate to the issue because the term ‘Natural Born Citizen’ does not like to be talked about by liberals or the media because it the focus will shift to Obama. They prefer U.S. Citizen instead. So I think this is a psychological game by Ted to see if the libs will turn full birther because if they do, it forces discussion about Obama’s eligibility. That’s just my take for now.


104 posted on 07/21/2013 10:49:47 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: ladyjane

I don’t mind if foreign born US citizens are elected to Congress. What I do mind is that the vast majority of them are avowed leftsts, racists, Communist/socialist party members, riding the gravy train until the wheels fall off, or unprincipled eunuchs.

That’s why the economy is on self destruct.


105 posted on 07/21/2013 10:50:11 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: wny

Not true at all. Based on what?


106 posted on 07/21/2013 10:50:22 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
8 U.S.C. § 1401 The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; continuing to: (h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. Unless I’m missing something here, it is pretty clear.

USC 1401 says that Cruz is "natural born". One would have to show that the US Constitution contradicts 1401 to make 1401 unconstitutional, and to make Cruz not a NBC.

107 posted on 07/21/2013 10:50:35 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Twotone
I think the real issue is that Obama had dual citizenship at birth (regardless of where he was born), since BO Sr was a British citizen, and that is the British rule on such things. Our Founders did not want someone with divided loyalties.

They wanted someone with a strong attachment to our country that they gained by being born with it.

Three of our first four Presidents held dual citizenship with another country.

While they were President.

George Washington (1), Thomas Jefferson (3), and James Madison (4).

There is not hint that they ever renounced that dual citizenship, that they ever talked about it, or that anybody in the country ever gave a damn.

They were all native born Americans.

John Adams (2) did not.

108 posted on 07/21/2013 10:51:10 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: GBA

Exactly. I vote for Netanyahu when he’s finished his term in Israel.


109 posted on 07/21/2013 10:51:31 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Plus 5.


110 posted on 07/21/2013 10:51:33 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: urtax$@work

Really makes me wonder about some of their motives, esp. those with pretty recent signup dates.


111 posted on 07/21/2013 10:52:29 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: FreeReign
I asked "when?" was he naturalized.

Cruz was naturalized at birth if his mother met the criteria under Sec. 301 (a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952.

112 posted on 07/21/2013 10:54:12 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: PghBaldy

Agreed.

Globalism.


113 posted on 07/21/2013 10:54:24 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ray76

I read the law. YOU read the law.


114 posted on 07/21/2013 10:54:42 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
USC 1401 says that Cruz is "natural born".

Really? Where specifically?

115 posted on 07/21/2013 10:54:54 AM PDT by Ray76 (An armed society is a polite society.)
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To: Jeff Winston

Someone cared enough to include a passage in the CONSTITUTION to address their eligibility as ‘grandfathered in’. And here you have been trying to convince us for all these weeks that you know the Constitution! Check your talking points ...


116 posted on 07/21/2013 10:55:01 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Thank you for your take. I very much hope you are correct. I will take back every disparaging word I said about them, publicly!


117 posted on 07/21/2013 10:55:11 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

I mean disparaing word about him.

I must preview every comment.


118 posted on 07/21/2013 10:55:45 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: FreeReign

“8 U.S.C. § 1401 The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3045592/posts?page=69#69


119 posted on 07/21/2013 10:56:45 AM PDT by Ray76 (An armed society is a polite society.)
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To: MHGinTN

He just has to get his comments in. Maybe paid by comment?

And hopes some readers will be duped.


120 posted on 07/21/2013 10:57:13 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: FreeReign
So then if citizen Cruz isn't natural-born, then when was he naturalized?

As far as I know, he wasn't. If I recall, his father wasn't a citizen until 2005, well beyond the point that derivation would have been able to play a part in his son's citizenship.

There is nothing in Cruz's citizenship to keep him from holding any public office except the President or VP. Having admired his knowledge of the Founder's intent and having voted for him twice, I must say I'm disappointed he has made such a statement.

121 posted on 07/21/2013 10:58:56 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: Ira_Louvin
"But a congressional study concludes that the constitutional requirement that a president be “a natural born citizen” includes those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements."

Congressional studies are NOT the PLAIN LANGUAGE of the U. S. Constitution.

Natural Born means BOTH parents were U.S. Citizens, not just one of them.

Obama was born God-Knows-Where, and his father was NOT a U.S. Citizen at the time of his birth, which makes him ineligible, but the Powers that put this Usurper in the White Hut are not bound by Law, anyway, nor are they bound by the U.S. Constitution. Their power keeps Congress, the USSC, and citizenry itself from pursuing the issue of an Illegal POTUS, plus the threat of inner-city tribal parasite revolt if he's Outed is a threat that none want to confront by kicking his sorry ass off to prison for perpetrating one of the greatest Frauds in World History.

122 posted on 07/21/2013 10:59:30 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Ira_Louvin

does not matter , Obama is staying,true story


123 posted on 07/21/2013 10:59:35 AM PDT by molson209
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To: RegulatorCountry

IMO Obama has a better claim to NBC status than Cruz. There are three possible factors to consider: mother’s citizenship status, father’s citizenship status, place of birth.

Obams meets two of three, Cruz one of three.


124 posted on 07/21/2013 11:00:40 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

An interesting take. I hope that is his intent. He recently spent time in New Hampshire, I have some reservations.


125 posted on 07/21/2013 11:01:02 AM PDT by Ray76 (An armed society is a polite society.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
8 U.S.C. § 1401

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

- (from post #69, look at the final entry...)



(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

Subsection (h) was an amendment to the INA signed into law Oct. 25, 1994. It's possible a presidential candidate who relies on the INA to determine NBC status could have an amendment to the law passed and signed into law to make them ineligible.


126 posted on 07/21/2013 11:01:56 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: cripplecreek
I personally think a good many of our post 08 birthers are here to sow discord and nothing more

Could be. Like I said, the Cruz situation is a bit less obvious then the out and out lie that is "Barack Barry Hussein Obama Soetoro" or who knows what. Frank Marshall's revenge on Whitey, maybe....

Recall that people here used to think Rubio was God.

I'm still unconvinced that Cruz is not simply a more polished version of that.

Palin is a different story.

Soetoro should have been disqualified the day he filed. That he wasn't may turn in to the final nail in the coffin of the Constitution, and in 30 years we end up with a ranting Hispanic demagogue in the office, presiding over a decrepit Banana Republic.

127 posted on 07/21/2013 11:03:05 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: little jeremiah
I am very disgusted. Foreign national father, born on foreign soil, says because he’s a US citizen he’s eligible for president...

No, that's not what he said.

He said that because he is a US citizen by birth, and not by naturalization, he is a legally and Constitutionally a natural born citizen and eligible to be President.

Throughout our entire national history, "natural born citizen" has basically meant "citizen by birth." That's what the term has ALWAYS meant to pretty much EVERYBODY, until about 4 years ago, when someone came along and tried to change the definition because they didn't like Obama, and you bought into it, because YOU didn't like Obama.

There were those of us whose love of our Constitution was greater than our dislike of Obama, who tried to tell you, but you wouldn't listen, because your dislike of Obama was greater than your love of the Constitution.

Why is he saying this? He’s not stupid.

Exactly. He's saying this because he's not stupid.

128 posted on 07/21/2013 11:03:44 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Excuse me I stated “BUT he didn’t say that to mean he was ‘ineligible’”. I meant to say ‘eligible’.


129 posted on 07/21/2013 11:04:13 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Jeff Winston
They wanted someone with a strong attachment to our country that they gained by being born with it.

With tens of millions of impeccably natural-born citizens being anti-American, this strategy doesn't seem to be very successful. I would not be very surprised if a greater percentage of naturalized citizens have a strong attachment to America than native-born.

I'm not saying this wasn't their intent, just that it doesn't work anymore.

130 posted on 07/21/2013 11:04:16 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Regulator

There are millions of people who do meet all the requirements. No need to make exceptions

AGREED!


131 posted on 07/21/2013 11:04:35 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Ira_Louvin
Alinsky says you make the adversary live up to his own set of rules. 0bama is an Alinskyite (read Marxist), and some of the facts of his birth are questionable. Therefore according to the democRATs/liberals/Marxists/progressives (sorry for the redundancy), Ted Cruz (or most anyone else for that matter), is eligible to be president.

5.56mm

132 posted on 07/21/2013 11:05:14 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Sherman Logan
All we need is for "one" of the 57 states to pass a law requiring presidential candidates to post specified proof of citizenship status to be on the ballot.
We've had 5 years now. Not one such law has been passed.

Quote for truth. Just what have the Birthers been up to? Do they think they can win this fight on the internet?

For Cripe's sake, their inability to get anything done sets the stage for it happening again.

133 posted on 07/21/2013 11:07:06 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Ray76
“8 U.S.C. § 1401 The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:”

As I said to you, a person who is a citizen "at" the time of birth is not a person who becomes a citizen "subsequent" to the time of birth.

A person who becomes a citizen "subsequent" to the time of birth is a "naturalized citizen". A person who is a citizen at the time of birth is "natural born".

Read section A of 1401. Then read section H.

Most of us are covered under Section A as natural born. Others such as Cruz are covered under Section H.

Now, as I told another poster, if you want to claim that USC 1401 is unconstitutional, then have at it. BUT USC 1401 in and of itself makes Cruz an NBC.

134 posted on 07/21/2013 11:07:24 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: SvenMagnussen
Show us your Certificate of Citizenship, Ted. U.S. Citizenship to individuals born abroad with U.S. Citizen parent(s) is not automatic.

Yes, it is, Sven.

The Certificate of Citizenship you link to is merely a recognition of that automatic citizenship, and a proof of that citizenship. It even says right on the application for that certificate:

To determine if you were born a U.S. citizen, USCIS must look at the law that was in effect at the time of your birth.

135 posted on 07/21/2013 11:08:07 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: FreeReign

USC 1401 says that Cruz is “natural born”.

Show me exactly where in the language of 8 USC 1401 where the specific term ‘natural born’ is used. I await your response. You are free to cut and past it if you like.


136 posted on 07/21/2013 11:08:12 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: FreeReign

Your issue is with the law, not me.


137 posted on 07/21/2013 11:08:35 AM PDT by Ray76 (An armed society is a polite society.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Yes I am bowing out of this debate for now, sorry.

Originally it seemed to me (H) was evidence for Cruz. However I was reading part of that requirement wrong, I think?

A person born before, May 24, 1934.

Now I’m thinking that (H) doesn’t apply, because I don’t believe Cruz was born before May 24, 1934?

And I am frankly confused by (G).

So I’m going back to neutral on this for now.

Do however carry on.

As far as I’m concerned this just moves me back to the middle.

:D


138 posted on 07/21/2013 11:08:43 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: little jeremiah

We are no doubt about to be spammed with a lengthy pre-written ramble of twisted data meant to confuse average readers. This being Freerepublic. most of us will be laughing while trying to decide if his foolishness is worth posting rebuttal for.


139 posted on 07/21/2013 11:08:51 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

This Texan would gladly vote for him except for the fact that he is NOT eligible.


140 posted on 07/21/2013 11:09:17 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Following the USC is for fools. It’s a free for all now. So let Cruz run, what difference does it make?


141 posted on 07/21/2013 11:10:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: FreeReign
How is somebody who is naturalized at birth not a "natural born citizen"?

Because a naturalized citizen is made a citizen by the laws of Man, which is by statute or edict.
This is a citizen AT birth.

A NATURAL born citizen is made such by the Laws of Nature. It is inherited by blood, so the citizenship of the child follows the citizenship of the NATURAL parents.
This is a citizen BY birth.

Ted Cruz is not a natural-born citizen.

142 posted on 07/21/2013 11:11:20 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: central_va

any one know who Karl Rove is running for press?


143 posted on 07/21/2013 11:11:36 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: little jeremiah; okie01
Place of birth and nationality of both parents are BOTH vital. Anyone who thinks differently has either not educated themselves or is being wilfully ignorant.

This simply isn't true.

Generally speaking, people who believe it takes both have "educated" themselves only with the writings of cranks and quacks.

Those who have studied the meaning of natural born citizen in our history and law don't think that way.

There's not a single major legal scholar in the entire country, or a single significant conservative legal foundation, who makes that claim.

Not one.

144 posted on 07/21/2013 11:11:56 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: FreeReign
Others such as Cruz are covered under Section H.

Was Cruz born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934?

145 posted on 07/21/2013 11:12:20 AM PDT by Ray76 (An armed society is a polite society.)
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To: Sherman Logan
You're relying upon facts not in evidence regarding Obama’s place of birth. I actually think Cruz might have a stronger case, assuming Canada didn't claim sovereignty over him as a result of jus soli, having been born in their territory.

Obama’s father was something of a Kenyan elite, attending university here as part of an exchange program. It could be claimed that as such he was a representative of Kenya, strike one, did he ever claim diplomatic immunity in any way? He wasn't even a resident alien, strike two, with no desire to even remain here let alone become a citizen.

Cruz’ father was in a position tantamount to statelessness at the time Ted Cruz was born, but had resided in the United States, did return there, did reside there, and did eventually became a US citizen.

Sovereignty is the crux of the matter, with no jurisdictional claims of any foreign sovereignty allowed under the Constitution, as far as those who would be President are concerned.

146 posted on 07/21/2013 11:15:13 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jeff Winston

“He said that because he is a US citizen by birth, and not by naturalization, he is a legally and Constitutionally a natural born citizen and eligible to be President.”

Well, well, well, if it isn’t our Fogbow and Dr. Conspiracy disciple who has arrived to obfuscate historical facts about the true meaning of a natural born citizen, born to two U.S. Citizen parents to guarantee full allegiance to the United States of America. Well Jeff, no Cruz did not say that to mean he was eligible.

Jeff also states: “Throughout our entire national history, “natural born citizen” has basically meant “citizen by birth”.

That is a bold face lie fogbower. If true, then what was the purpose of putting both ‘Natural Born Citizen’ and ‘Citizen’ in the presidential clause?

No person except a ‘natural born Citizen’, or a ‘Citizen’ of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


147 posted on 07/21/2013 11:18:04 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
I think Cruz stated the true facts of what he is, a U.S. Citizen BUT he didn’t say that to mean he was ineligible.

Correct, everything I see above that Cruz said is true as he cut off the talk when he said, . “I’m not going to engage in a legal debate.”

I think he stated it to bring debate to the issue because the term ‘Natural Born Citizen’ does not like to be talked about by liberals or the media because it the focus will shift to Obama.

Cruz is smart to play it that way.

148 posted on 07/21/2013 11:18:45 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Why did Congress need to make Winston Churchill an honorary US citizen if his mother was also an American?

Because under the laws in effect when Churchill was born citizenship for children born overseas was granted through the father. Children with a foreign father and an American mother were not citizens.

149 posted on 07/21/2013 11:20:36 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Ira_Louvin

Whether it be this citizenship issue or something else, we WILL demolish Ted Cruz as a Presidential candidate, just like we did Sarah Palin. The Democrats won’t need to destroy him, we will do it ourselves, as the Dems laugh at our stupidity. And then hello Jeb Bush, then hello President Hillary Clinton. I do believe we have become too stupid to survive. We deserve both Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz saying to hell with us all, we don’t deserve their leadership. And they would be right.


150 posted on 07/21/2013 11:20:39 AM PDT by Reddon
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