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Canadian-born Ted Cruz says “facts are clear” he’s eligible to be president
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com ^ | 07/21/2013

Posted on 07/21/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin

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1 posted on 07/21/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin
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To: Ira_Louvin

I agree to the extent I believe (strongly) that Ted Cruz would be a very good Vice Presidential candidate.

For Palin.

Let Palin take the lead, and give Ted Cruz four years to sort out whether he is.

Palin / Cruz 2016.


2 posted on 07/21/2013 9:23:11 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Ira_Louvin
"And then as a legal matter, others can worry about that. I’m not going to engage[.]"

It's pretty clear you should engage, Ted. Because it's abundantly clear you're not American-born. I, for one, won't vote for you
3 posted on 07/21/2013 9:24:39 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

After the 2 term obama birth mystery, I think precedent says it doesn’t matter WHERE a presidental nominee is born. Or where he/she grows up and has been raised.


4 posted on 07/21/2013 9:25:33 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: Ira_Louvin

One more reason we should not have let The Usurper prevail in his campaign to suppress the Natural Born Citizen qualification.

The flood gates open...

Like Ted Cruz just fine, and in his defense, his father naturalized so it’s not the same situation as BHO Sr.

But his is a background of less than obvious attachment to the U.S., no matter how good he is on policy.

There are millions of people who do meet all the requirements. No need to make exceptions. Look what happened when we did.


5 posted on 07/21/2013 9:27:32 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Ira_Louvin

Why did Congress need to make Winston Churchill an honorary US citizen if his mother was also an American?


6 posted on 07/21/2013 9:28:56 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Regulator

I personally think a good many of our post 08 birthers are here to sow discord and nothing more.

They certainly drove me away from the issue and I was one of the first.


7 posted on 07/21/2013 9:31:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Ira_Louvin
President Obama has been hounded by critics who contend he was born outside the U.S. and, therefore, ineligible to win the White House.

No, that O's father was not a citizen, therefore he isn't a "natural born" citizen. If both Cruz's parents were citizens, then he qualifies.

8 posted on 07/21/2013 9:31:58 AM PDT by marron
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To: righttackle44

To become a citizen of the United States you have to either a “natural born” citizen OR a “naturalized” citizen. It’s clear. Regardless of what anyone says or believes. There are only TWO CHOICES! Period! It’s that simple.

You either became a U.S. citizen by birth (natural born), or by formally application process!


9 posted on 07/21/2013 9:34:42 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Ira_Louvin

I think the real issue is that Obama had dual citizenship at birth (regardless of where he was born), since BO Sr was a British citizen, and that is the British rule on such things. Our Founders did not want someone with divided loyalties. If Cruz had Canadian citizenship at birth due to being born there, then I would say the same thing about him.

On the other hand, it’s obvious that Ted Cruz loves America as much as Obama hates it.


10 posted on 07/21/2013 9:36:06 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone

Scab pickers.


11 posted on 07/21/2013 9:37:01 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Ira_Louvin; Jim Robinson

Kinda interesting that a useless post like this shows up at FR just when Cruz is about to make more news against McConnell and Reid with the debt ceiling battle coming up.


12 posted on 07/21/2013 9:38:05 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Ira_Louvin
He has the same level of claim to natural-born citizenship as Ubama allegely has.

Maybe a little more, since Ubama's allged mother was 17-years old at the time of his birth.

13 posted on 07/21/2013 9:39:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Ira_Louvin
“My mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. She’s a U.S. citizen, so I’m a U.S. citizen by birth,” Cruz told ABC

Unless a person can be born via asexual reproduction, BOTH parents impact the nationality of the child.

14 posted on 07/21/2013 9:39:08 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: marron

Ted Cruz’s father was born in Cuba and became A U.S. citizen in 2005


15 posted on 07/21/2013 9:39:28 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: marron
-"If both Cruz's parents were citizens, then he qualifies."

Maybe by 'your' rules. Certainly not the U.S. Constitution. Read up the history, and you will see that there are only two ways to become a U.S. Citizen.... "by birth" or by application. There is no "third class" of citizenship.. There is NO LEGAL basis for a third class of citizenship, if there is show me the class in the U.S. CODE!!!!

16 posted on 07/21/2013 9:40:31 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: cripplecreek
I personally think a good many of our post 08 birthers are here to sow discord and nothing more.

When they succeeded in diverting attention away from the place of Obama's birth to the citizenship of his father, they had defused the entire issue by turning it into a technical argument that is both irrelevant and unwinnable.

And that, probably, was the plan.

17 posted on 07/21/2013 9:41:39 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARAD in the past.E)
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To: cripplecreek
I personally think a good many of our post 08 birthers are here to sow discord and nothing more.

I agree, and the timing of these worthless "eligibility" posts against Cruz, who is leading our fight in the Senate, is VERY suspicious.

They ought to be yanked by the mods just on general principle, since they are clearly focused on attacking one of our few and most effective Conservative fighters in the public arena.

18 posted on 07/21/2013 9:42:47 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Ira_Louvin
So?

No problem. We trade Canada New England, NJ Cities and NYC for Alberta.

Problem solved.

19 posted on 07/21/2013 9:43:51 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: righttackle44

Hillary’s fully vested.

Knock yourself out.


20 posted on 07/21/2013 9:44:03 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Timber Rattler

It IS a useless post! People want to ‘dream up’ a separate third class of citizenship just to be eligible for President. It’s insane, and idiotic, that flies against common FACTS and HISTORY!


21 posted on 07/21/2013 9:44:18 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Ira_Louvin; Cold Case Posse Supporter; butterdezillion; Red Steel; rxsid; melancholy; ...

Pinging a few names to this very distressing statement by Cruz.

I am very disgusted. Foreign national father, born on foreign soil, says because he’s a US citizen he’s eligible for president.

I am beyond digusted.

He could be the best conservative constitutionalist in the last 200 years but he is NOT a NBC and NOT eligible and this wilfull ignorance on his part is a huge character flaw! Self interest! He can serve his country by being a representative, Senator or Governor!

I’m spitting mad. He’s basically saying that 0buttatollah is a NBC (or would be if his parents/ birth location were known and he had on US citizen parent and was born in another country!) WHAT UTTER CRAP! His statement legitimizes the fraudster in chief! WHAT THE H***????

Why is he saying this? He’s not stupid. Paid off? Trying to goad 0buttatollah? Thinks since one non-NBC is president and no one says a peep now the gate’s wide open now for all and sundry?


22 posted on 07/21/2013 9:45:26 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Show us your Certificate of Citizenship, Ted. U.S. Citizenship to individuals born abroad with U.S. Citizen parent(s) is not automatic. An application with certain terms and conditions must be met before a Certificate is issued.

See http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/n-600instr.pdf Form N-600 Application for Certificate of Citizenship.


23 posted on 07/21/2013 9:45:50 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

You do know that you might as well be talking to a wall right?


24 posted on 07/21/2013 9:46:01 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Ira_Louvin

Without making an argument either way, I would say that he has recent precedent to cite.

He should just hide his birth certificate and claim he was born in Honolulu.


25 posted on 07/21/2013 9:46:41 AM PDT by Iron Munro (They Old. That's Old School People. We In A New School, Our Generation)
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To: Ira_Louvin
The facts are far from clear, Mr. Cruz.

If your father is found to have thrown off his allegiance to Cuba by expatriating as well as the collapse to communism of the regime to which that allegiance was owed, then there would have been no possibility of Cuba having claimed sovereignty over you at birth.

If your birth in Canada did not result in a claim of sovereignty over you by Canada, then you're possibly good on that.

Your mother was a US citizen, so no questions arise there.

But, again, the facts are far from clear. And, it's not up to you to decide.

26 posted on 07/21/2013 9:46:48 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: righttackle44

I’d vote for him if he was from any of the four moons of Jupiter. Twice!


27 posted on 07/21/2013 9:47:09 AM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: okie01

Place of birth and nationality of both parents are BOTH vital. Anyone who thinks differently has either not educated themselves or is being wilfully ignorant.


28 posted on 07/21/2013 9:47:16 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: cripplecreek
They certainly drove me away from the issue and I was one of the first.

Only a name written on a plank from the Mayflower would satisfy some of them.

29 posted on 07/21/2013 9:47:28 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Regulator

Like Ted Cruz just fine, and in his defense, his father naturalized so it’s not the same situation as BHO Sr.


Cruz’ father naturalized in 2005. And he was born in CA. Two strikes against NBC status.


30 posted on 07/21/2013 9:48:10 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I really don't think Palin can win. As far as Cruz goes, I'd like to see him run sooner rather than later because almost everyone gets ruined by the DC fog if they stay there too long.

Palin has finally come out strongly against the invasion of the US. Earlier, she supported it. She also has not renounced McCain's bizarre positions on issues, and she should, since she strongly supported his re-election.

It's actually Palin who needs some time in the US Senate so we can see (1) how she votes on the issues and (2) how well she artiulates constitutional conservative issues to voters who can be convinced.

She's been great as a spokesperson for second ammendment rights and other conservative issues for the past year or so. But I think she'd lose at this point.

31 posted on 07/21/2013 9:48:46 AM PDT by grania
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To: LibFreeUSA

Oh, shut up.


32 posted on 07/21/2013 9:48:51 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Ira_Louvin

I like Ted Cruz and I voted for Ted Cruz as my Senator.

The issue of who is a “Natural Born Citizen” has never been actually been legally defined as I understand it.

Here are the opinions I have heard on the matter:

1. Born in the US, you are automatically a US citizen, except in very rare cases. IE, a child to diplomats and borne on embassy grounds.

2. Some say that both parent must be Americans at the time of the Child’s birth.

3. Some say that as long as you never had to be naturalized to become a citizen, you are a natural born citizen. I believe this is the case with Cruz.

If we have a lawyer out there who can provide an opinion, I would love to hear it.


33 posted on 07/21/2013 9:49:44 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Timber Rattler

BS. The problem is the rule of law.

I have read eligibility threads for years and the only disruptors have been those on the 0bot side. People concerned about the Consitution and rule of law are not disruptors.

See the result of a president who is not a NBC? Now anyone can be president no matter where they’re born as long as one parent is a US citizen. That is now the “standard” apparently.


34 posted on 07/21/2013 9:50:35 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Great question! Ted Cruz for Senate Majority Leader. God knows he's needed there! Once he's fixed that body, promote him to Supreme Court to maintain his gains. He's not NBC on two counts and ambition leads him to his only unworthy - and potentially corrupting - stance. George Washington was a great president in part because he didn't want the job. Raise your children as well as your parents did, Ted, and stand proudly at their inauguration.
35 posted on 07/21/2013 9:51:59 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: 3Fingas

There are hundreds of threads about eligibility.

The historical understanding of NBC has always been:

Two citizen parents

Born on US soil

That is, until the usurper appeared on the scene.


36 posted on 07/21/2013 9:52:04 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: grania

I strongly disagree.

Palin has thusfar caused waivering opinions. I myself was thrown for quite a loop by her, last time around.

In retrospect, I understand.

If she ever gets off her duff, and actually runs, she will electrify the voting public.

She has to do that though. Hope she does.


37 posted on 07/21/2013 9:53:30 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Timber Rattler

I’ve also seen some bizarre formula that said Rick Santorum was ineligible because his father or grandfather was born in Italy. and the best one yet was a claim that Michele Bachmann has dual citizenship because she was given honorary citizenship in Switzerland.

It became a tragic comedy and wasn’t worth talking about anymore especially in light of the fact that virtually every democrat and a good many “republicans” would be just as disastrous as Obama.


38 posted on 07/21/2013 9:53:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Do YOU have a “certificate of citizenship?”


39 posted on 07/21/2013 9:53:51 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: cripplecreek

The problem is, it’s like the other side was minipulating the way the issue was being addressed. Obama was, and for all we know still might be, a citizen of Indonesia. He sealed the deal when he applied for college and scholarships as an Indonesian.


40 posted on 07/21/2013 9:54:48 AM PDT by grania
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Palin’s time has passed.


41 posted on 07/21/2013 9:56:06 AM PDT by wny
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To: little jeremiah

That was my understanding also. But, the issue of being born on a US base overseas or being born to two US parents while traveling, etc. has come up. Then people were saying NBC is anyone who did not have to become naturalized.

I always thought NBC meant born in the USA with two parents that were already US citizens.


42 posted on 07/21/2013 9:56:11 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: righttackle44

Than I suggest that you vote for Hillary. Cruz is a citizen by birthright due to his mothers citizenship. BHO has eliminated even the need to prove citizenship.


43 posted on 07/21/2013 9:56:11 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: wny

Or not.

:D


44 posted on 07/21/2013 9:56:54 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: grania

And he’s still president.

The end.


45 posted on 07/21/2013 9:57:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Actually, I have a more important job for Ted Cruz: Supreme Court Justice. When Rand Paul or Sarah Palin is sworn in as our new President, I hope they’ll have he opportunity to appoint him.


46 posted on 07/21/2013 9:57:50 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: little jeremiah
Blah, blah, blah...Cruz is out there fighting hard against Reid and Schumer and here you are stabbing him in the back. You nativists are quite the nasty boors.


47 posted on 07/21/2013 9:58:22 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: 3Fingas
The issue of who is a “Natural Born Citizen” has never been actually been legally defined as I understand it.

There is one Supreme Court case that mentions NBC, preceding the 14th amendment and the Supreme Court case that famously misinterpreted the 14th's intent (neither of which mentioned the specific case of NBC). Under that unique precedent Obama is ineligible, regardless of his birthplace or birth certificate, so the Obots strive to keep it out of the discussion.

48 posted on 07/21/2013 10:00:27 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: 3Fingas

You are correct about 2 US citizens and born on US soil. Being born on a base overseas has been discussed; it may depend on whether the person was born actually on base or not. While traveling, not a NBC.

The 2 citizen parents could be naturalized US citizens, but they have to be citizens at the time of the birth of the child, for the child to be a NBC.

People supporting Cruz’s assertion are also supporting 0thugga as NBC (if his purported life was true, which it is not).


49 posted on 07/21/2013 10:00:30 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Why did Congress need to make Winston Churchill an honorary US citizen if his mother was also an American?

Because at the age of 21 he abandoned his American citizenship and chose to be a British subject.

50 posted on 07/21/2013 10:01:05 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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