Skip to comments.Canadian-born Ted Cruz says “facts are clear” he’s eligible to be president
Posted on 07/21/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin
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I agree to the extent I believe (strongly) that Ted Cruz would be a very good Vice Presidential candidate.
Let Palin take the lead, and give Ted Cruz four years to sort out whether he is.
Palin / Cruz 2016.
After the 2 term obama birth mystery, I think precedent says it doesn’t matter WHERE a presidental nominee is born. Or where he/she grows up and has been raised.
One more reason we should not have let The Usurper prevail in his campaign to suppress the Natural Born Citizen qualification.
The flood gates open...
Like Ted Cruz just fine, and in his defense, his father naturalized so it’s not the same situation as BHO Sr.
But his is a background of less than obvious attachment to the U.S., no matter how good he is on policy.
There are millions of people who do meet all the requirements. No need to make exceptions. Look what happened when we did.
Why did Congress need to make Winston Churchill an honorary US citizen if his mother was also an American?
I personally think a good many of our post 08 birthers are here to sow discord and nothing more.
They certainly drove me away from the issue and I was one of the first.
No, that O's father was not a citizen, therefore he isn't a "natural born" citizen. If both Cruz's parents were citizens, then he qualifies.
To become a citizen of the United States you have to either a “natural born” citizen OR a “naturalized” citizen. It’s clear. Regardless of what anyone says or believes. There are only TWO CHOICES! Period! It’s that simple.
You either became a U.S. citizen by birth (natural born), or by formally application process!
I think the real issue is that Obama had dual citizenship at birth (regardless of where he was born), since BO Sr was a British citizen, and that is the British rule on such things. Our Founders did not want someone with divided loyalties. If Cruz had Canadian citizenship at birth due to being born there, then I would say the same thing about him.
On the other hand, it’s obvious that Ted Cruz loves America as much as Obama hates it.
Kinda interesting that a useless post like this shows up at FR just when Cruz is about to make more news against McConnell and Reid with the debt ceiling battle coming up.
Maybe a little more, since Ubama's allged mother was 17-years old at the time of his birth.
Unless a person can be born via asexual reproduction, BOTH parents impact the nationality of the child.
Ted Cruz’s father was born in Cuba and became A U.S. citizen in 2005
Maybe by 'your' rules. Certainly not the U.S. Constitution. Read up the history, and you will see that there are only two ways to become a U.S. Citizen.... "by birth" or by application. There is no "third class" of citizenship.. There is NO LEGAL basis for a third class of citizenship, if there is show me the class in the U.S. CODE!!!!
When they succeeded in diverting attention away from the place of Obama's birth to the citizenship of his father, they had defused the entire issue by turning it into a technical argument that is both irrelevant and unwinnable.
And that, probably, was the plan.
I agree, and the timing of these worthless "eligibility" posts against Cruz, who is leading our fight in the Senate, is VERY suspicious.
They ought to be yanked by the mods just on general principle, since they are clearly focused on attacking one of our few and most effective Conservative fighters in the public arena.
No problem. We trade Canada New England, NJ Cities and NYC for Alberta.
Hillary’s fully vested.
Knock yourself out.
It IS a useless post! People want to ‘dream up’ a separate third class of citizenship just to be eligible for President. It’s insane, and idiotic, that flies against common FACTS and HISTORY!
Pinging a few names to this very distressing statement by Cruz.
I am very disgusted. Foreign national father, born on foreign soil, says because he’s a US citizen he’s eligible for president.
I am beyond digusted.
He could be the best conservative constitutionalist in the last 200 years but he is NOT a NBC and NOT eligible and this wilfull ignorance on his part is a huge character flaw! Self interest! He can serve his country by being a representative, Senator or Governor!
I’m spitting mad. He’s basically saying that 0buttatollah is a NBC (or would be if his parents/ birth location were known and he had on US citizen parent and was born in another country!) WHAT UTTER CRAP! His statement legitimizes the fraudster in chief! WHAT THE H***????
Why is he saying this? He’s not stupid. Paid off? Trying to goad 0buttatollah? Thinks since one non-NBC is president and no one says a peep now the gate’s wide open now for all and sundry?
Show us your Certificate of Citizenship, Ted. U.S. Citizenship to individuals born abroad with U.S. Citizen parent(s) is not automatic. An application with certain terms and conditions must be met before a Certificate is issued.
See http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/n-600instr.pdf Form N-600 Application for Certificate of Citizenship.
You do know that you might as well be talking to a wall right?
Without making an argument either way, I would say that he has recent precedent to cite.
He should just hide his birth certificate and claim he was born in Honolulu.
If your father is found to have thrown off his allegiance to Cuba by expatriating as well as the collapse to communism of the regime to which that allegiance was owed, then there would have been no possibility of Cuba having claimed sovereignty over you at birth.
If your birth in Canada did not result in a claim of sovereignty over you by Canada, then you're possibly good on that.
Your mother was a US citizen, so no questions arise there.
But, again, the facts are far from clear. And, it's not up to you to decide.
I’d vote for him if he was from any of the four moons of Jupiter. Twice!
Place of birth and nationality of both parents are BOTH vital. Anyone who thinks differently has either not educated themselves or is being wilfully ignorant.
Only a name written on a plank from the Mayflower would satisfy some of them.
Like Ted Cruz just fine, and in his defense, his father naturalized so its not the same situation as BHO Sr.
Cruz’ father naturalized in 2005. And he was born in CA. Two strikes against NBC status.
Palin has finally come out strongly against the invasion of the US. Earlier, she supported it. She also has not renounced McCain's bizarre positions on issues, and she should, since she strongly supported his re-election.
It's actually Palin who needs some time in the US Senate so we can see (1) how she votes on the issues and (2) how well she artiulates constitutional conservative issues to voters who can be convinced.
She's been great as a spokesperson for second ammendment rights and other conservative issues for the past year or so. But I think she'd lose at this point.
Oh, shut up.
I like Ted Cruz and I voted for Ted Cruz as my Senator.
The issue of who is a “Natural Born Citizen” has never been actually been legally defined as I understand it.
Here are the opinions I have heard on the matter:
1. Born in the US, you are automatically a US citizen, except in very rare cases. IE, a child to diplomats and borne on embassy grounds.
2. Some say that both parent must be Americans at the time of the Child’s birth.
3. Some say that as long as you never had to be naturalized to become a citizen, you are a natural born citizen. I believe this is the case with Cruz.
If we have a lawyer out there who can provide an opinion, I would love to hear it.
BS. The problem is the rule of law.
I have read eligibility threads for years and the only disruptors have been those on the 0bot side. People concerned about the Consitution and rule of law are not disruptors.
See the result of a president who is not a NBC? Now anyone can be president no matter where they’re born as long as one parent is a US citizen. That is now the “standard” apparently.
There are hundreds of threads about eligibility.
The historical understanding of NBC has always been:
Two citizen parents
Born on US soil
That is, until the usurper appeared on the scene.
I strongly disagree.
Palin has thusfar caused waivering opinions. I myself was thrown for quite a loop by her, last time around.
In retrospect, I understand.
If she ever gets off her duff, and actually runs, she will electrify the voting public.
She has to do that though. Hope she does.
I’ve also seen some bizarre formula that said Rick Santorum was ineligible because his father or grandfather was born in Italy. and the best one yet was a claim that Michele Bachmann has dual citizenship because she was given honorary citizenship in Switzerland.
It became a tragic comedy and wasn’t worth talking about anymore especially in light of the fact that virtually every democrat and a good many “republicans” would be just as disastrous as Obama.
Do YOU have a “certificate of citizenship?”
The problem is, it’s like the other side was minipulating the way the issue was being addressed. Obama was, and for all we know still might be, a citizen of Indonesia. He sealed the deal when he applied for college and scholarships as an Indonesian.
Palin’s time has passed.
That was my understanding also. But, the issue of being born on a US base overseas or being born to two US parents while traveling, etc. has come up. Then people were saying NBC is anyone who did not have to become naturalized.
I always thought NBC meant born in the USA with two parents that were already US citizens.
Than I suggest that you vote for Hillary. Cruz is a citizen by birthright due to his mothers citizenship. BHO has eliminated even the need to prove citizenship.
And he’s still president.
Actually, I have a more important job for Ted Cruz: Supreme Court Justice. When Rand Paul or Sarah Palin is sworn in as our new President, I hope they’ll have he opportunity to appoint him.
There is one Supreme Court case that mentions NBC, preceding the 14th amendment and the Supreme Court case that famously misinterpreted the 14th's intent (neither of which mentioned the specific case of NBC). Under that unique precedent Obama is ineligible, regardless of his birthplace or birth certificate, so the Obots strive to keep it out of the discussion.
You are correct about 2 US citizens and born on US soil. Being born on a base overseas has been discussed; it may depend on whether the person was born actually on base or not. While traveling, not a NBC.
The 2 citizen parents could be naturalized US citizens, but they have to be citizens at the time of the birth of the child, for the child to be a NBC.
People supporting Cruz’s assertion are also supporting 0thugga as NBC (if his purported life was true, which it is not).
Because at the age of 21 he abandoned his American citizenship and chose to be a British subject.