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Canadian-born Ted Cruz says “facts are clear” he’s eligible to be president
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com ^ | 07/21/2013

Posted on 07/21/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin

Sen. Ted Cruz rejected questions Sunday over his eligibility to be president, saying that although he was born in Canada “the facts are clear” that he’s a U.S. citizen. “My mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. She’s a U.S. citizen, so I’m a U.S. citizen by birth,” Cruz told ABC. “I’m not going to engage in a legal debate.” The Texas senator was born in Calgary, where his mother and father were working in the oil business. His father, Rafael Cruz, left Cuba in the 1950s to study at the University of Texas and subsequently became a naturalized citizen.

President Obama has been hounded by critics who contend he was born outside the U.S. and, therefore, ineligible to win the White House. Obama was born in Hawaii. But some Democratic critics have taken the same charge against Obama by so-called “birthers” and turned it against Cruz. The Supreme Court has not definitively ruled on presidential eligibility requirements. But a congressional study concludes that the constitutional requirement that a president be “a natural born citizen” includes those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.

“I can tell you where I was born and who my parents were. And then as a legal matter, others can worry about that. I’m not going to engage,” Cruz said in the interview with “This Week” on ABC.

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To: Ira_Louvin

Following the USC is for fools. It’s a free for all now. So let Cruz run, what difference does it make?


141 posted on 07/21/2013 11:10:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: FreeReign
How is somebody who is naturalized at birth not a "natural born citizen"?

Because a naturalized citizen is made a citizen by the laws of Man, which is by statute or edict.
This is a citizen AT birth.

A NATURAL born citizen is made such by the Laws of Nature. It is inherited by blood, so the citizenship of the child follows the citizenship of the NATURAL parents.
This is a citizen BY birth.

Ted Cruz is not a natural-born citizen.

142 posted on 07/21/2013 11:11:20 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: central_va

any one know who Karl Rove is running for press?


143 posted on 07/21/2013 11:11:36 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: little jeremiah; okie01
Place of birth and nationality of both parents are BOTH vital. Anyone who thinks differently has either not educated themselves or is being wilfully ignorant.

This simply isn't true.

Generally speaking, people who believe it takes both have "educated" themselves only with the writings of cranks and quacks.

Those who have studied the meaning of natural born citizen in our history and law don't think that way.

There's not a single major legal scholar in the entire country, or a single significant conservative legal foundation, who makes that claim.

Not one.

144 posted on 07/21/2013 11:11:56 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: FreeReign
Others such as Cruz are covered under Section H.

Was Cruz born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934?

145 posted on 07/21/2013 11:12:20 AM PDT by Ray76 (An armed society is a polite society.)
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To: Sherman Logan
You're relying upon facts not in evidence regarding Obama’s place of birth. I actually think Cruz might have a stronger case, assuming Canada didn't claim sovereignty over him as a result of jus soli, having been born in their territory.

Obama’s father was something of a Kenyan elite, attending university here as part of an exchange program. It could be claimed that as such he was a representative of Kenya, strike one, did he ever claim diplomatic immunity in any way? He wasn't even a resident alien, strike two, with no desire to even remain here let alone become a citizen.

Cruz’ father was in a position tantamount to statelessness at the time Ted Cruz was born, but had resided in the United States, did return there, did reside there, and did eventually became a US citizen.

Sovereignty is the crux of the matter, with no jurisdictional claims of any foreign sovereignty allowed under the Constitution, as far as those who would be President are concerned.

146 posted on 07/21/2013 11:15:13 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jeff Winston

“He said that because he is a US citizen by birth, and not by naturalization, he is a legally and Constitutionally a natural born citizen and eligible to be President.”

Well, well, well, if it isn’t our Fogbow and Dr. Conspiracy disciple who has arrived to obfuscate historical facts about the true meaning of a natural born citizen, born to two U.S. Citizen parents to guarantee full allegiance to the United States of America. Well Jeff, no Cruz did not say that to mean he was eligible.

Jeff also states: “Throughout our entire national history, “natural born citizen” has basically meant “citizen by birth”.

That is a bold face lie fogbower. If true, then what was the purpose of putting both ‘Natural Born Citizen’ and ‘Citizen’ in the presidential clause?

No person except a ‘natural born Citizen’, or a ‘Citizen’ of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


147 posted on 07/21/2013 11:18:04 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
I think Cruz stated the true facts of what he is, a U.S. Citizen BUT he didn’t say that to mean he was ineligible.

Correct, everything I see above that Cruz said is true as he cut off the talk when he said, . “I’m not going to engage in a legal debate.”

I think he stated it to bring debate to the issue because the term ‘Natural Born Citizen’ does not like to be talked about by liberals or the media because it the focus will shift to Obama.

Cruz is smart to play it that way.

148 posted on 07/21/2013 11:18:45 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Why did Congress need to make Winston Churchill an honorary US citizen if his mother was also an American?

Because under the laws in effect when Churchill was born citizenship for children born overseas was granted through the father. Children with a foreign father and an American mother were not citizens.

149 posted on 07/21/2013 11:20:36 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Ira_Louvin

Whether it be this citizenship issue or something else, we WILL demolish Ted Cruz as a Presidential candidate, just like we did Sarah Palin. The Democrats won’t need to destroy him, we will do it ourselves, as the Dems laugh at our stupidity. And then hello Jeb Bush, then hello President Hillary Clinton. I do believe we have become too stupid to survive. We deserve both Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz saying to hell with us all, we don’t deserve their leadership. And they would be right.


150 posted on 07/21/2013 11:20:39 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: Red Steel

Smart? If he is playing that way it’s genius!


151 posted on 07/21/2013 11:21:00 AM PDT by Ray76 (An armed society is a polite society.)
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To: Reddon

Not to quibble needlessly, but it was Palin who removed Palin from the competition in 2012.

Just saying.

Right up until the day she did, she was the presumed leader in the race for the GOP.


152 posted on 07/21/2013 11:23:23 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Ira_Louvin

O’s Mother was not of age, but Cruz’s Mother was. How does that figure in?


153 posted on 07/21/2013 11:30:58 AM PDT by Exit148
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To: Sherman Logan

It’s a shame how dead the Constitution is.

Conservatives who are now engaged with a ‘depends-on-what-the meaning-of ‘natural-born’,-is’ in order to get what they want, are really acting no different than the MarxoFascists who say the Constitution needs to ‘change with the times’.

Most of us understand the intent of requirement is that a presidential candidate MUST be born in the country to two American parents who are citizens. They were concerned about anyone having dual loyalties to ancestral nations being the Executive power.

Since Obama has set precedent that a candidate for President is qualified if their mob says they are, without any vetting or proofs beyond forged documents - then technically Putin could run for president.


154 posted on 07/21/2013 11:32:50 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DoodleDawg

Why did Congress need to make Winston Churchill an honorary US citizen if his mother was also an American?

Because under the laws in effect when Churchill was born citizenship for children born overseas was granted through the father. Children with a foreign father and an American mother were not citizens.


Which is proof right there that Cruz is not a NBC, since it was a statute change that granted him US citizenship at all.


155 posted on 07/21/2013 11:32:53 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Former Governor Jennifer Granholm of Michigan stated a few years back she was eligible for the presidency because she was born in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada and had dual Citizenship.

Canadian Granholm implies she can run for President: “I’ve got dual citizenship.”
http://radiopatriot.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/canadian-granholm-implies-she-can-run-for-president-ive-got-dual-citizenship/

Michigan Democrat Governor Jennifer Granholm on Fox News Sunday responded to host Chris Wallace’s clarification that as a Canadian, she is ineligible to run for president of the United States. Granholm came to the United States as a child of 4 years old.

Granholm’s response is indicative of the mistaken belief that because one of her parents is/was a US Citizen, she’s eligible.

GRANHOLM: No, I’m totally focused this year on creating every single job I can until the last moment. December 31st at midnight is when I’ll stop. So I have no idea what I’m going to do next, but I’m not going to run for president. I can tell you that.

WALLACE: Yes, that’s true. We should point out Governor Granholm is a Canadian and cannot run for president.

GRANHOLM: I’m American. I’ve got dual citizenship.”


156 posted on 07/21/2013 11:32:54 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yes, and Ted Cruz may remove himself as well just as Palin did when he sees the huge number of people on our side that he expects to have his back all fighting among themselves over whether he is eligible or not. As I said, we will deserve it if he says to hell with us.


157 posted on 07/21/2013 11:32:56 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: Timber Rattler

Yep - Laws are for the little people, right?


158 posted on 07/21/2013 11:34:10 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: MamaTexan
BOTH parents impact the nationality of the child.

NO it DOESN"T!

159 posted on 07/21/2013 11:36:32 AM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: RegulatorCountry
Obama’s father was something of a Kenyan elite, attending university here as part of an exchange program.

Not technically accurate. At the time Kenya did not exist, since it became a Commonwealth realm in 1963 and an independent republic in 1964. Senior was from British East Africa. As such not exactly a British subject or citizen, but kinda sorta.

I've never seen good documentation on what his exact citizenship status was at the time of Obama's birth.

IMO there is adequate documentation that Obama was born in HI. I understand some disagree, but it's not an argument I care to go around again on.

160 posted on 07/21/2013 11:36:47 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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