Posted on 07/19/2013 11:10:19 PM PDT by WilliamIII
Former vice president Dick Cheney said Sunday that Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was wrong to suggest that the government’s recently revealed sweeping surveillance techniques are an invasion of Americans’ privacy. “Two-thirds of the Congress wasn’t here on 9/11, or for that period immediately after when we got into this program,” Cheney said on “Fox News Sunday.” He later added: “When you consider the possibility of somebody smuggling something like a nuclear device into the United States, it becomes very, very important to gather intelligence on your enemies and stop that attack before it ever gets launched.”
Cheney defended a National Security Agency program to collect phone records from millions of Americans, about which Paul has expressed deep concerns. The Kentucky senator announced last week that he has taken steps toward bringing legal action against the government over its surveillance efforts.
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I don't know if I'd go that far. As far as I can see, Cheney is just another typical DC politician. From Wikipedia:
When Cheney became eligible for the draft, during the Vietnam War, he applied for and received five draft deferments. In 1989, The Washington Post writer George C. Wilson interviewed Cheney as the next Secretary of Defense; when asked about his deferments, Cheney reportedly said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service".
Of course, it is possible that the Washington post writer is lying. But somehow I don't think so.
The NSA lied to congress. and the datacenter in Utah they are building is designed to store everything. And I mean everything. I ran into an IBM guy in Texas who is saying the NSA is buying tons of storage for that site. In the multiple yottabyte range.
You just had to pull that,
Lets see, we got secret judges making secret decisions and secret enforcement and only one side gets to present their case to them and 99% they win against no opposition. And under Obama.
And when Cheney set this all up most in GOP never dreamed that a Dem would EVER be POTUS.
So how to I take sides on that?
Cheney needs to find another hobby, he has done enough damage.
Pro-gay pro-illegal fing neocon.
So you’d rather have all your communications unlawfully monitored... because the idiots in DC won’t turn the heat up on the source of terror, Islam?
That “religion of peace?”
IMO, the revelations of the NSA’s agenda and actions show that Bush and Cheney were handmaidens of totalitarianism. Rand Paul is one of the few who has had the spine to stand up to totalitarian busybodies who talk a great game about “fighting terrorism,” but do precious little about it - other than grope us, bug us and censor us.
Cheney is wrong on this. There is NO reason for this program. Even if it is well intended it is still wrong and we both know this data will be abused. This isn’t a Left vs Right issue. It is a Constitutional issue. There is no way in hell the Founding Fathers would condone this crap. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, but be carefull you just might spill it all over your nice wool coat.
Cheney is wrong and the Patriotic act as promoted by the Bush admin never mentioned it would be used to spy on every American just those engaging terrorists overseas.
“Between Rand Paul and Dick Cheney, I think I will go with Cheney.”
And that makes you a lib.
Cheney is pro-gay marriage and said that deficits don’t matter.
Plus, he had the brilliant idea that American lives should be sacrificed to bring democracy to the middle east.
He was the biggest mistake that Bush ever made.
Sorry Dick but, your wrong.
You don’t have the right to serve a search warrant on a suspect and then collect huge swaths of Americans who had or have nothing to to with the investigation.
Further, you have no right to store the information, create a file and then a profile of our lives and habits, in the hope you can catch us in a crime or turn over information relevant to some agency who might it useful.
It’s an outright violation of the 4th, 5th and 1st amendment.
I could make the case for another amendment but, that my government violates just one is enough.
Do not renew PA, PA II. Fix CALEA, HIPPA and FISA.
They are documents of imprimatur to those who “just want to do their job and their part to protect us”. I get that but, it gives them too much and too broad powers to offend our individual sovereignty.
>> Cheney: “Two-thirds of the Congress wasn’t here on 9/11”
Well, that’s an intelligent rebuff. /s
Too much bitching directed at the NSA when it should have been directed at the lawmakers setting policy and provisioning funds.
I’ll never forget the former Senator Feingold’s relentless attacks against Bush’s Patriot Act. I’ll never forget how silent he was during his final two years served during the Obama Administration.
Plus, he had the brilliant idea that American lives should be sacrificed to bring democracy to the middle east.
He was the biggest mistake that Bush ever made.
And Bush was the biggest mistake Ronald Reagan ever made.
Bush and Cheney are part of the New World Order network. And they knew all about Obama and could have quietly seen that he never made it past the primaries. They had all the intelligence on him and knew he is an avowed enemy of the United States.
Earlier this week GHW Bush went to the White House wearing his clown socks and kissed up to the evil bastard who’s doing all he can to destroy this country. It’s beyond disgusting.
Behind the amnesty allowance (precedent)
at least Reagan admitted it was a mistake
Behind the amnesty allowance (precedent)
Right you are. Bush gave Reagan some bad advice on a number of things.
I used to like Cheney a lot, but he’s wrong here, and it has me re-evaluating my whole take on him.
I’d rather have a foreign terrorist nuke go off here than a totalitarian police/surveillance state that thinks I’m a terrorist.
I’d rather not have either, of course, but that doesn’t seem to be a current choice on the menu, unfortunately.
You couldn’t be more correct, sir.
Dick Cheney is Chairman of the Board of the military complex.
Never has such an unqualified person obtained so much power.
We are giving up freedom for security and will lose both.
The breadth, depth and scope of NSA spying is such that whoever controls it can control every official of the government..by way of blackmail. Congressman, Senators, Presidents and Supreme Court Justices. The IRS. The FBI. The DEA. THE BATF. The SEC. The Federal Reserve Chairman. Anyone and everyone can be blackmailed using the data they’re collecting.
Nothing justifies that. Nothing. It may not happen overnight, but given time there can be no other result but a police state that will put anything in human history to shame. If you support this level of surveillance, that’s what you support. Own it, it’s yours.
And what’s ironic is the Boston terrorist attacks, Benghazi happened with Prism.
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