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Could the Zimmerman Trial Be a Clever Trick To Repeal the Second Amendment (Abolish Gun Rights)

Posted on 07/17/2013 8:27:30 AM PDT by pinochet

A lawyer friend of mine suspects that the Zimmerman trial is a clever trick that has been designed by cunning liberals to strip Americans of their second amendment rights. You all remember Clinton's legalisms in 1998, saying that what happened between him and Monica Lewinsky did not meet the strict legal definition of sex.

According to my lawyer friend, it is easy for sneaky liberals to interpret the second amendment as giving Americans the right to own arms, but not the right to use them. Liberals may have figured out that going door-to-door to confiscate guns is too much trouble. You can just pass a series of laws, and interpret them in such a manner that makes the use of guns illegal. A gun will have no more usefulness than a piece of furniture. In many jurisdictions, it is illegal to fire a gun on a neighborhood, even if nobody gets hurt.


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Hand guns are outlawed in Britain. But rifles are not. However, courts have made it illegal for a home owner to use a rifle against criminals who break into his house. In 1999, a British farmer, Tony Martin, was sentenced to 3 years in prison for defending himself from three violent criminals who had invaded his home. Mr. Martin shot one criminal dead with his shotgun. The dead criminal was a violent ex-convict, who had previously been arrested 29 times for numerous crimes, including assaulting a police officer.

Read Mr. Martin's tragic story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29

1 posted on 07/17/2013 8:27:30 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

Liberals would love to disarm the law abiding (they know they can’t disarm the criminals) so that we become more dependent on government.


2 posted on 07/17/2013 8:32:27 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: pinochet

This was neither clever, nor tricky.

The Left will always try to take guns away. This particular situation is just today’s convenient excuse.


3 posted on 07/17/2013 8:34:53 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: pinochet

” it is easy for sneaky liberals to interpret the second amendment as giving Americans the right to own arms”

Well, not surprisingly, Liberals would be wrong from the start.

The 2A does not GIVE any rights, It affirms rights we are given by God.

The Amendments LIMIT govt. Not the people.


4 posted on 07/17/2013 8:35:24 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: pinochet
I doubt that liberals set up the trial with a plan in place to lose the case and attack the second amendment. But I wouldn't put it past them to take the outcome and use it to further their ends in any way possible.
5 posted on 07/17/2013 8:37:10 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: pinochet

In Britain your semi auto rifle(AR 15 ) has to be set like a bolt action ,cock after every shot


6 posted on 07/17/2013 8:38:30 AM PDT by molson209
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To: pinochet

Men do not have the standing to abolish rights given by God.

Even if they tear up the paper and burn the shreds, the right still exists and will be exercised by me.


7 posted on 07/17/2013 8:39:53 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Noamie
This was neither clever, nor tricky.

Exactly. The fact that Holder says we have a "Duty to retreat" says that he doesn't think we have any right to defend ourselves at all.
8 posted on 07/17/2013 8:43:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: pinochet

The Zimmerman trial was SUPPOSED to do that, but it didn’t work out according to the script

Even firing the head of the investigation, who refused to file charges, and falsifying affidavits to skip the grand jury, Obam and holder spending $5million for ‘protests’, and hiding evidence from the defense didn’t work


9 posted on 07/17/2013 8:45:39 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: pinochet

The Newtown school shooting was a much better opportunity, and not even that worked.

They will never stop seizing ANY opportunity, but I think this was a bad one. It’s all about race, not guns, and I think for the most part it has backfired on them. It stirred up the usual race baiters and Occupiers, but they don’t need stirring up anyway.


10 posted on 07/17/2013 8:46:38 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: pinochet

Not clever, but repeal 2nd yes.


11 posted on 07/17/2013 8:46:55 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: pinochet

IIRC, the People’s Democratic Republic of Massachusetts has a law specifically stating that everybody has a “duty to retreat” and surrender their property to an intruder. Only if they can no longer retreat can residents of that state use lethal force to defend themselves.


12 posted on 07/17/2013 8:47:30 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: pinochet
Trick? Yes! Clever? No. Nor Unique

and even Jesse Jackson knows where the core of the CRIME problem is!




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13 posted on 07/17/2013 8:47:52 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey
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To: pinochet
Repeal of the 2nd will result in a civil war so great that there will be no Washington DC. It will be a level patch of crushed cement. My advice to those nitwits trying to repeal duck, your butt will be body bag material.
14 posted on 07/17/2013 8:48:16 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: The_Victor

What really sucks of that the NRA didn’t bother coming to GZ’s defense, and being so narrow sighted didn’t see the gun grabbing coming down the line.

I’m still disgusted over their love affair with Harry Reid.


15 posted on 07/17/2013 8:48:31 AM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: pinochet

You need to go back to you Doctor and have your meds’ dosage checked.


16 posted on 07/17/2013 8:50:47 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: pinochet

I don’t think they have the ability to repeal the 2A, but they never let a good crisis go to waste.


17 posted on 07/17/2013 8:51:36 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be what you might have been.)
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To: pinochet

It's obvious from the beginning that this was one of Ubama's "under the radar" gun control initiatives, as evidence byt the DOJ sending community agitators to Sanford to soften things up.

18 posted on 07/17/2013 8:53:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: pinochet

I don’t think the trial was aimed at the second amendment, but I believe the Justice Department is currently trying to figure out how to make defending yourself with a gun and civil rights violation. I believe they are probably going to try to get a ruling that will elevate the use of a firearm to a very high level of force. I think they want to make people scared to use a gun to defend themselves.


19 posted on 07/17/2013 8:54:51 AM PDT by Yogafist
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To: Noamie
Hi.

The Left will always try to take [our] guns away. This particular situation is just today’s convenient excuse.

Please allow my edit.

5.56mm

20 posted on 07/17/2013 8:54:54 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: pinochet
Gun control is the sole reason for this political circus. It's why the federal mouthpieces keep going on an on about stand your ground law even though it was never considered in the Zimmerman case.

Before stand your ground can be invoked, there has to be a corresponding ability to LEAVE your ground, and Zimmerman never had that option because he was pinned TO the ground, and had no way to retreat from it.

Zimmerman and other cases that may be like it are just stepping stones, and they only have to last long enough to get one step closer to their goal...the eradication of private firearms.

Just my 2 cents.

21 posted on 07/17/2013 8:55:26 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

more dependent AND non-resistant.

There are several reasons they want disarmament.


22 posted on 07/17/2013 8:55:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Cicero

+1 for working “backfired” into the conversation.

I’ll say it again, and I know it’s tinfoil hat stuff, the February combination of wall to wall 24/7 gun crimes (Christopher Dorner / LAPD, Alabama guy in the bunker with kidnapped 7-year-old, South African sprinter killed his girlfriend, King Of The Snipers shot at gun range) while Congress and various states were rushing gun control laws just doesn’t seem like a random coincidence to me.


23 posted on 07/17/2013 8:55:30 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: pinochet
No it's not!

What do liberals think the word "Bear" means?

-PJ

24 posted on 07/17/2013 8:56:59 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: pinochet

The dead the it’s grandmother: Barras’ grandmother, Mary Dolan, stated: “It’s not fair that the farmer has got all the money and he is the one that took Fred away.”


25 posted on 07/17/2013 8:57:23 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: pinochet

This ain’t britton


26 posted on 07/17/2013 8:57:26 AM PDT by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: cripplecreek
Exactly. The fact that Holder says we have a "Duty to retreat" says that he doesn't think we have any right to defend ourselves at all.

That's right, the only recourse we have is to report the incident to the Gestapo!

27 posted on 07/17/2013 8:59:02 AM PDT by varon (Down with tyranny)
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To: piytar
The dead the it’s grandmother: Barras’ grandmother, Mary Dolan, stated: “It’s not fair that the farmer has got all the money and he is the one that took Fred away.”

What? Wrong thread?

28 posted on 07/17/2013 8:59:10 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: pinochet

Much like DOJ’s lawsuit against BMW in south Carolina where background checks (for employment) reflect disproportionately on negros ,so do the background checks for firearm ownership. I can almost hear Holder’s twisted logic now.


29 posted on 07/17/2013 8:59:41 AM PDT by rsobin
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To: pinochet

This whole charade has been a smokescreen to inflame racial hatred by blacks, push against self protections and the 2ndA, and the left wing’s use of the Pity Party in an attempt to get their childish ways

This was NEVER about “justice” Anyone with a brain (which excludes leftists) knew this wasn’t a case from the get-go.


30 posted on 07/17/2013 9:00:29 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (LEAVE THE ZIMMERMANS ALONE . . . NOT guilty . . .you LOST Now SHUT UP)
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To: pinochet

If they could not achieve this with a school full of dead children, one dead punk in some Florida subdivision ain’t gonna do it for them.


31 posted on 07/17/2013 9:00:54 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Sender

They’re too clever to try to actually repeal it. The trick is to do what DC and Chicago and CA have been doing and trying to do — make it so difficult to get a permit, require expensive “liability insurance”, require expensive “microstamping” of individual bullets, outlaw lead, eliminate Stand Your Ground and other defenses of actually using your gun, etc., that it is “repealed” in all but name.


32 posted on 07/17/2013 9:01:04 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: piytar

Got iPhoned. Meant “theif’s grandmother.”


33 posted on 07/17/2013 9:01:21 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yeah, the 2nd dosent say to keep arms. Bearing arms means shooting as well so any attempt, to include ammo restrictions would infringe.


34 posted on 07/17/2013 9:02:33 AM PDT by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: pinochet

The goal of the Zimmerman trial has always been to eliminate the right of citizens to defend themselves.

They talk as if it was about racism or ‘stand your ground’ but that’s not true.

A weapon of any kind is useless if you can’t use it to defend yourself.


35 posted on 07/17/2013 9:04:04 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in in a long time I am proud of my country.)
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To: Menehune56

No, right thread. That is a quote from the wiki article linked by the OP in the first comment.


36 posted on 07/17/2013 9:04:07 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: MrB

Yep, a disarmed people are a compliant people.


37 posted on 07/17/2013 9:04:19 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: CrappieLuck

The sad reality is that the government has become GOD.


38 posted on 07/17/2013 9:05:02 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: pinochet

You need to flesh out your theory a bit more. You failed to make a point.


39 posted on 07/17/2013 9:07:07 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Old Sarge

Ping for a read.


40 posted on 07/17/2013 9:07:42 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: MrB

In order to move forward with their eliminationist programs, they must silence, disarm and immobilize us.

That’s the game.


41 posted on 07/17/2013 9:12:36 AM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: pinochet

The right needs to start every single discussion or argument from the question - When does the state have the authority to deny me the right to protect and defend myself and my family?


42 posted on 07/17/2013 9:13:56 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The law only functions when people respect the law. Does anybody think the powers that be could pass such laws (of all things guns) and then realistically enforce them? The mood in the Country is to provide more avenues of personal defense in response to crime than the other way around; at least where I call home.

I really believe 2014 is going to be as much as a shock as 1994 was to the Dems all in response to their gun control push.

Also I don't know any law abiding individuals that are ready to be be disarmed in any manner.

43 posted on 07/17/2013 9:14:09 AM PDT by Eska
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To: cripplecreek

“Exactly. The fact that Holder says we have a “Duty to retreat” says that he doesn’t think we have any right to defend ourselves at all.”

The racist Holder forgets that Trayvon had as much opportunity to retreat as Zimmerman. He was beating the snot out of Zimmerman. He could have gotten up an walked away.

Both made equally bad choices that resulted in Trayvon’s death.


44 posted on 07/17/2013 9:14:13 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: ryan71

I don’t think that the politicization of the Zimmerman case started out as a gun control case, but that is what it has evolved into.

Holder is using the totally unrelated, Stand Your Ground laws to draw the White anti-gun Democrats to support the government prosecution of Zimmerman. Holder is using the anti-gun lobby and the Black race baiters as political agitation, going into the Congressional elections. The Obama administration is doing everything that he can to divide the country and stir up partisan animosity, including the battle with Harry Reid over his horrible nominees.

What Obama is doing to the Senate Republicans is the same thing that the Democrats did to Rubio over immigration, force them to betray their base and cave to the Democrat agenda.

The Obama administration has turned into a Clown Posse, led by the Joker,and we don’t have a BatMan to save the day.


45 posted on 07/17/2013 9:21:31 AM PDT by Eva
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To: pinochet
Horse pucky. They want to remove guns from the face of the Earth. Their ministrations will never include allowing people to own firearms while precluding their use.

Would YOU comply with such a law if you owned whatever piece(s) you wanted? Not I.

46 posted on 07/17/2013 9:31:46 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Anywhere there is tyranny you will find that the people were first disarmed.)
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To: Little Ray
IIRC, the People’s Democratic Republic of Massachusetts has a law specifically stating that everybody has a “duty to retreat” and surrender their property to an intruder.

Incorrect. Thast was changed some time ago. And BTW...it was Republican Governor Ed King who made that "duty to retreat" part of the law. Thank heaven it was changed.

MA General Laws, Part 4, Title II, Chapter 278, Section 8a:

In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling.

47 posted on 07/17/2013 9:37:27 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Anywhere there is tyranny you will find that the people were first disarmed.)
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To: pinochet

No.
One, there was nothing clever about the trial.
Two, the trial had nothing to do with guns except that a gun was the tool a man used to defended himself from death or serious injury.
Three. The MSM and Obama over estimated the general public ability to tolerate politic trials. There is extreme hard feeling dis- trust and outright anger that the Government pushed this to a trial.


48 posted on 07/17/2013 9:52:35 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: pinochet

Yes, and it’s working about as well as Fast and Furious.


49 posted on 07/17/2013 9:53:09 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: The_Victor

Ditto that!!


50 posted on 07/17/2013 9:55:13 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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