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Special Report: A $439 million camp adds to Boy Scouts money crunch
Reuters ^ | 7/15/2013 | Robin Respaut and Brian Grow

Posted on 07/16/2013 5:20:15 PM PDT by MacNaughton

Known as The Summit Bechtel Family National Scout Reserve, the 10,600-acre park opens Monday, when 30,000 scouts are expected to visit for the quadrennial National Jamboree. The Summit will have more than 5 miles of zip lines, a whitewater-rafting circuit, a 120-foot tree house and a stadium for 85,000 people.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bechtel; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; jamboree; scouting; scouts; thesummit; westvirginia; wv
A lengthy, but well informed, and written, article. Really provides an accurate picture of the "big picture" in the BSA. Really need to read the article and not depend upon the compulsory FR excerpt. Loaded with lots of information.
1 posted on 07/16/2013 5:20:15 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Albion Wilde

PING


2 posted on 07/16/2013 5:20:47 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Including a luxurious bath house for the newest group of Scouts.


3 posted on 07/16/2013 5:29:02 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: MacNaughton

Well, they won’t get one more red cent out of me or even one more minute of time for volunteering, now that they have renigged on their oath to be morally straight and to be reverent to God.


4 posted on 07/16/2013 5:39:07 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt; 1riot1ranger; 2001convSVT; 2banana; 3catsanadog; 50sDad; Abby4116; ...

Pinging the list.


5 posted on 07/16/2013 5:46:44 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: MacNaughton

Not surprised that this is happening. Most BSA councils, my former one included, live almost hand-to-mouth and rely heavily on regular donations as well as “special contributions” to maintain the physical plant (council camps, among other things).

The small $25-$50 donations from ordinary folks who were Scouts, or who currently have boys in Troops, are starting to dry up what with National’s decision to go gay. I’ve been approached twice since the announcement and have refused both times.

While the “choice” has assured that the big corporate donations will continue to roll in (at least for the time being), those won’t be enough to keep the operation solvent in the long-term.

Saving up for when they Philmont on the market.


6 posted on 07/16/2013 5:47:38 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: MacNaughton

WTF?!

Half a Billion Dollars for a bridge and a stadium that neither even get mentioned for the entire 2013 Jamboree.

Everything that the boys will be doing such as whitewater rafting, kayaking, rock climbing, and zip lines are just about free to implement...so the $600,000/year Executives went $400 Million in debt for a bridge and a staduium?!

WTF?!


7 posted on 07/16/2013 5:50:59 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MacNaughton

I wouldn’t buy any of those bonds, especially with those outstanding lawsuits, probably new lawsuits now that queers are allowed, that outlandishly expensive camp, dismal revenue and membership projections and a bunch of top level management skimming big salaries off the top. What chance do bond holders have of recovering anything in case of a default.


8 posted on 07/16/2013 5:51:02 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The short list would be the list of all administration officials that are NOT pathological liars!)
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To: MacNaughton

I understand that obese scouts can’t attend because of stress of hiking up steep slopes.


9 posted on 07/16/2013 5:56:15 PM PDT by mohresearcher
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To: mohresearcher

I’ve taken obese Scouts to Philmont at least 3 times, and they typically lose 30 to 50 pounds over two weeks.

It’s life-changing for them.

Most have been coddled by helicopter mamas or ignored by dual-incomers all of their lives.

When they return the next year they are always in better shape and have vastly better attitudes.


10 posted on 07/16/2013 5:59:38 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MacNaughton

This is no surprise. If a bunch of boys cant get together and camp out and learn about virtue without giving into corporate pressure, namely AT&T, then they are obviously dependent on a lot of money for something they dont need


11 posted on 07/16/2013 6:04:31 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Southack
I’ve taken obese Scouts to Philmont at least 3 times, and they typically lose 30 to 50 pounds over two weeks.

I was a Boy Scout in a hardcore backpacking troop. We had a few fat and/or soft kids in the troop. Those of us who made it to the base camp first would double back 2-3 miles to the slowest hikers and carry their packs for them. It's called teamwork.

12 posted on 07/16/2013 6:09:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Skiddle-arink a-dink, a-dink, Skiddle-arink a-doo . . .)
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To: Southack
10 ... I’ve taken obese Scouts to Philmont at least 3 times, and they typically lose 30 to 50 pounds over two weeks.

Did a 60-mile trek over 10 days in the north country of Philmont in 1990 with a 2 crews of 9 boys and 3 adults, each. I was 35 and in very good condition before the trek. Still lost quite a few lbs, but never went hungry. They really had the menu/nutrition science down pat. Upon returning to the real world, colleagues at work were laughing and pointing at my posterior asking, "Where's your ass?"

As others have pointed out over the last 1.5 months, at some point down the pike, BSA will be faced with a "fire sale" for its properties - either the big 4 national high adventure bases and/or local council camps. Others have speculated that some religious denominations (of course, they are all losing membership, too) may be positioned to pick up some of these properties when they become available.

Donald Rumsfeld served on staff at Philmont in the late 1940s, is a Distinguised Eagle Scout, and retired somewhere in north central NM - west of Philmont. Wonder if he could be approached to help OnMyHonor.Net?

13 posted on 07/16/2013 6:12:37 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Stupid decisions usually or eventually have bad consequences.

Eagle Scout, three trips to Philmont, Scout Leader, Dad was a Scout Leader for over 20 years.... I gave up on Scouts with my son because it was nothing like something we wanted and that was years ago. He thought I was putting up with all the ADHD Ritilan laced brats for him and I thought he was doing it for me. One day we both confessed to each other we’d rather spend our time doing scout things together without all the brats and yuppie parents.

It has gotten worse. More than $600,000 a year for the top five scout execs? You gotta be kidding me.

Dad always said national and region were not about the boys. He was right and more so today.


14 posted on 07/16/2013 6:29:55 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Arm_Bears
"While the “choice” has assured that the big corporate donations will continue to roll in . . . "

Actually, I don't think so. I think the corporate donors who were pushing this will put their dollars behind some other initiative. By holding the carrot of corporate money out in front of the National leaders they got everything they wanted and by following that up by not delivering on promises they can't legally be held to they deliver the death blow.

I won't be surprised to see corporate funding of the Girl Scouts dry up as well now that the fascist crowd no longer see them as a useful example of corporate reliability to tantalize the Boy Scouts leadership with.

15 posted on 07/16/2013 6:34:40 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: MacNaughton

The park would bring in even more in donations than it would cost to build, Scout leaders concluded.


Spending your way out of a problem never works.

It is seldom just one thing that causes the demise of an organization. This is one of several.


16 posted on 07/16/2013 6:36:03 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: MacNaughton

BSA deserves all the trouble they get -


17 posted on 07/16/2013 6:38:02 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: MacNaughton

No one is going to “step in” to save $600,000/year Executives who are spending over $400 Million in debt for an 85,000 seat stadium in a part of West Virginia that won’t see 85,000 people visit all year.

If you’ve ever seen a company lose money in the real world, you don’t step in to save it...you let it spend itself to death and then you buy up its assets in the inevitable fire sale.

The rub for Scouts, however, is that some rather vindictive liberals want to buy up the properties to turn them into left-wing shrines to homosexuals and environmentalists just to rub in the fall of the Scouts...

...and the flip side is that the Scouts are spending so much that no one can save them from that fall.


18 posted on 07/16/2013 6:39:31 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: mohresearcher

because they are not sexy enough maybe


19 posted on 07/16/2013 6:40:09 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: MacNaughton

Corporate money was nice while it lasted, but it was the Boy Scouts downfall. The park, the bonds, the high salary jobs and the nice offices became more important than the mission.

And once the BSA were enslaved to the money, all the gay lobby had to do was put the public relations screws to BSA’s corporate sponsors - which is exactly what they have done.


20 posted on 07/16/2013 6:47:03 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Jeff Chandler

We were pretty hard core as well. Our leaders were WWII and Korea vets. A Marine Sgt, a Navy fighter pilot, a corpsman, a GI who fought in Italy. The men of today remember the times as some of the best of their lives. We did 50 mile hikes in the Ouchita Mountains of SE Oklahoma. Walked the ridges from Clayton, Oklahoma to Mena, Arkansas. No water up on the ridges in the summer. Some springs that were mostly polluted by range cattle. We often had to walk 10 miles in the evening off the trail down to the valley to get water. We walked the ridges because the valleys were where the people are and the ridges are National Forest and some Weyerhauser property.

There were downpours, snakes, lots of blisters, broken packs, minor injuries. The strong helped the weak and we all got better for it.

We camped up at our little place on a mountain on weekends. It joined a big rancher who allowed us to use his mountain top fields. Intertwined with our advancement work we played capture the flag all weekend. Day and night. Each patrol would set up on the edge of a huge field scattered with pine trees. It was almost a mile across in any direction. Nobody ever got snake bit or sprayed by a skunk. It was amazing.

Our Philmont was the long trek, 115 miles or so. We paced a bunch from some big city in Texas the whole time and usually beat them to supply camps where we cleaned out the Hunt’s canned peaches that we chilled in the creeks. The last day we were ahead of them on Tooth of Time Ridge. They were trying to catch us and we could hear them all day. In the evening we climbed the rocks to watch the sunset, nobody wanted to leave, and watched them walk by while they wondered where we had gone. We hollered at them as they walked by, we let them win going into base camp and it was so sweet because they knew we let them win. We walked in after dark singing. We always got crapped out by staff for minor infractions and it happened again since we were hiking well after dark. We were a bunch of country boys and when we got home we went back to throwing hay and then two-a-day football practice.

We had a great childhood. I’m so sad it can’t be a shared experience.


21 posted on 07/16/2013 6:48:21 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: MacNaughton

Too late. I’d rather see the Scouts cease to exist than to continue now.


22 posted on 07/16/2013 7:06:35 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Southack

Tax write off ?


23 posted on 07/16/2013 7:08:46 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos

The answer is either more sinister or else more stupid than that, I’m afraid.

If it isn’t complete stupidity, then I’d be looking at bond kickbacks (which is how those sorts of conduit bonds were pitched to Jefferson, County Alabama for their Splash water park).


24 posted on 07/16/2013 7:24:49 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MacNaughton

Now that it is his franchise, Satan is blessing the BSA.


25 posted on 07/16/2013 7:29:32 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Southack

What? Did you think this was a bunch of Boy Scouts???


26 posted on 07/16/2013 7:32:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: MacNaughton

I fondly remember summer camps both as a kid and then as scoutmaster - merit badges, water sports, camping and hiking, camp fires in the evening with skits and tall tales.
They were great years.

never went to a national jamboree.


27 posted on 07/16/2013 8:00:58 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Southack

The new rules were pretty strict; so much so that for Jamboree, they actually relaxed the rule, so that kids that were obese but not morbidly obese, could attend if they had approval from their physician. My son was working on getting down to the appropriate weight, when he decided going to Jamboree just wasn’t worth it.

Instead, he went with 3 scouts and two adults on a 10-day canoe trip through the backwater lakes of canada, and had a blast.


28 posted on 07/16/2013 8:27:25 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MacNaughton

Maybe the boys could sell cookies.


29 posted on 07/16/2013 8:28:25 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: MacNaughton

It’s their own fault.


30 posted on 07/16/2013 9:19:36 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: ScubieNuc

Good riddance...... supernumeries are better offgone


31 posted on 07/17/2013 3:58:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: MacNaughton

bfl


32 posted on 07/17/2013 3:59:21 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: catnipman
"Maybe the boys could sell cookies."

I don't know about that but you can bet your bottom dollar there will be a troop or two selling hot dogs and fresh buns.

33 posted on 07/17/2013 4:31:28 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Maybe they could make and sell rainbow flags....they could earn a matching pin.
34 posted on 07/17/2013 4:33:56 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: stanne
I look at this and I think about the movie, "Follow Me, Boys!".

Scouting needed to get back to its roots, the Troop and the Community, and not to Hollywood, Big Corporate Donors and the faggotry of the left!

35 posted on 07/17/2013 4:40:34 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: MacNaughton

So the biggest threat to the scouts funding is lawsuits over homosexual abuse of boys.

The solution? Allow homosexuals in the scouts.

Brilliant.


36 posted on 07/17/2013 5:17:33 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Redleg Duke

I just think it sold itself Was speaking w a friend, a long time scout dad, during the siege. He said it was the money. I asked him what could a hundred year old program need miney for.

A program for boys? The boys in my upper mid class ‘hood did everything they needed to. Noone drive rhem anywhere. They took over the best yards for whatever sport they played someone owned a bat. Another a football etc.

The boys in the scouts were NOT demanding money.

What could the money be necessary for? Something was way wrong

A wk after the gay sell out some big BSA real eastate was sold in phili. I know the boys dont care about real estate.

This was a sell out. For what?

The BSA does not have the boys’ interest and formation at heart.

Id run the other way.

Now i see this


37 posted on 07/17/2013 5:26:34 AM PDT by stanne
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To: ScubieNuc

As an Eagle Scout, and now former as, Scoutmaster, I have left the organization. This was no small move. I loved the Scouts and my son was a Life Scout. I am done with them.


38 posted on 07/28/2013 11:49:03 AM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: aliquando

I hear you. I worked as an adult leader in Scouting for about the last 13 years. I have held positions of Cub Master and Assistant Scout Master, plus many other titles. I was active because I enjoyed it and my boys enjoyed it. Both of my boys earned their Eagle Scout rank, and last year was my last year of helping out, however I had planned on continuing with donating and such, but with this new embrace of homosexuality over “morally straight” and “reverent to God”, I will aid the Boy Scouts no longer.

This does hurt, because I know many very good adult leaders and scouts. I put a letter to the editor in stating my view on the BSA’s new position, and I got not one single call or email agreeing with me. Normally when I put a letter to the editor on things like morality, I used to get positive feed back from some of the adult Scout leaders, but not anymore, I guess. So sad that the National Council decided to ruin such a great organization with one fell swoop.


39 posted on 07/28/2013 6:04:26 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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