Skip to comments.Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, and the Jewish Question.
Posted on 07/13/2013 11:02:05 PM PDT by golux
Some might ask: Antisemitism? How can there be antisemitism when no Jews at all were involved in this case?
The question remains: why were no Jews involved in this case?
At first they thought he was Jewish.
They looked at the name and conjured up an image such as this.
If his name had been Jose Rodriguez this is what they'd have imagined him to look like.
Liberals are such racists.
Perception of Zimmerman’s last name as being Jewish?
Technically, I believe Alan Dershowitz did offer his services to the defense team. Does that count?
For starters, can you say Journ-O-listers?
Zimmerman is usually a Jewish name. There are a few famous Zimmermans:
Robert Zimmerman = Bob Dylan, a Jew.
What about the famous book by Tuchman, “The Zimmerman Telegram”? about WWI?
No Jews = no news...
What would Sammy Davis Jr. say if he were still alive?
I don’t think it was about jewishness. The media wanted it to be a white guy and they’re STILL pretending it was.
They may initially have thought GZ was either Jewish or born again Christian, or both (like Bob Dylan). Either way, someone for the race baiters to hate...
Instead they had 4 white supremacist chicks and one white Hispanic supremacist chick. Yeah, I went there. And I’m a white chick!! /S
The story of the Zimmermann telegram is indeed an interesting tale.
"Oy, vey... brother!"
That is too funny.
That would be 5 white Supremacist chicks and 1 White Hispanic Supremacist chick as jurors. I need sleep!
LOL. As usual, you are a kick in the pants. Nicely done.
Dershowitz has been right on regarding this case.
>>Zimmerman is usually a Jewish name.
Zimmerman means carpenter. My guess is a small minority of Zimmerman’s are Jewish.
Sorry, but they conjured up a “blue-eyed devil”. Please.
Don’t you just love how conservatives of various faiths can laugh at each others beliefs but once a left winger steps in it’s THEIR WAY or the gallows? Viva TOLERANCE!
Sorry, wow... why are we bringing this into question? This is a criminal trial - not a religious question? Has not been brought up to this point.
>>Sorry, wow... why are we bringing this into question?
My grandfather was in the Secret Service back in those days. He was sent to Mexico as part of an investigation as to what exactly the Germans were up to.
The answer is that it is completely unacceptable to endure such a trial if it is lacking in an element of antisemitism. As a Jew, personally, and with linguistic secrets claimed by “greats” I deny and sheesh-mohj any shlomak in these matters, beehl-bak others, and consign remainders to shmoobaah.
Sorry, nothing about this trial has anything to do with antisemitism - strictly black against white. Take that as you will but if you continue to think otherwise, you are taking it to a place that few recognize.
He surely must have had some interesting tales to tell!
>>Sorry, nothing about this trial has anything to do with antisemitism
And where did I say it did?
You are responding just like the blacks! If someone you think is Jewish you react accordingly. Mercy, are all of you groups reacting the same! Cripes! No wonder things are all screwy! I never had any inkling of antisemitism until reading it here. So does that make me anti-Jewish?
You need to lighten up. Go get some fresh air - play a round of golf.
i’m guessing you are an observant jew (not of the Sabbath, of other jews), and are posing the question:
what, no jewish laywers, not a jewish judge, and no jewish plaintiff.
whats this world coming to.
Great... Infer but deny...works for me also. Where did I say it had anything to do with antisemitism?
when one travels to Germany and Austria and asks for a Zimmer, it usually means a room to rent, no?
Jews used to be carpenters and all other trades, the only Jews still working hard by the labor of their own hands (in a general sense) are the Israelis, no?
The Neocons are working behind the scenes, snicker, snicker, snicker...
Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky?
I think I know where you’re headed on this question: BHO2 was interested in this case because he is a Muslim and extremely anti-semitic. He fixated on the name, “Zimmerman”, before discovering that George was actually a Hispanic whose mother came from Peru, and had a black grandfather.
Am I correct?
Why are you passing along stereotypes with no real basis?
My mechanic is an observant Jew. I've had observant Jewish roofers, handymen, plumbers, etc. My friend's daughter's husband is a furniture designer/builder. Oh yeah, and veterinarians, accountants, attorneys, and doctors.
Zimmerman is usually a German name, a very common German name. Some Jews also have this name.
Chaim Hirschel Mordechai, Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov-Blank, Lev Davidovich Bronstein?
Who invented PC?
People seem to forget that Mr. Zimmerman’s face—and identity (other than his name) was kept out of the news for weeks after we were constantly bombarded with the photos of the 12 year cute little boy Trayvon. All that was known was a “Zimmerman” shot the poor little boy....
So yes, absolutely it was racist antisemitism...by the black leaders (Sharpton and Jackson) fueling a common African American prejudice against Jews....that led the way to charges and prosecution.
Zimmerman is a German name. Most Zimmermans are German. Many Jews have German names because a lot of Jews lived in German-speaking countries.
Even though Jews have always put an emphasis on learning and advancement I know that up to WWII Jews did everything, in almost every profession (when allowed).
Since WWII there has been a evolving change into which sectors MANY Jews go into.
I think if you look at many manually-oriented fields, you will see Jews underepresented as compared to the rest of the population. For example, the military. Yes, Jews are there but what %?
Jews are not “expected” to be at a certain, professional, socio-econmic level. There is tremendous pressure to excel which is a good thing but you may/may not agree with me that the Jews you know making furniture, fixing cars or working on the Ford assembly line are miniscule.
I am not trying to be anti-semetic, as a Jew, but Israel was founded on restoring the “Galut” (Exile) Jew via manual (mind you Socialist) Zionist return to the land labor by hard work, which they have done exceedingly well.
This approach (Labor-Zionism) was considered an anathema to world Jewry at the time.
What nice Jewish boy or girl is expected to go to Israel and work as a fruit picker or construction worker?
Maybe in NY, but that kind of thing is rare in the rest of the country, I have never met a Jewish plumber, roofer, or handyman that I am aware of, although I have been involved in all of those job listings, in multiple states and cities.
“Isn’t Zimmer in German a room”
Yep, but going by the web (I only have a smattering of German) the Zimmer part is actually a corruption of Zimber (wood).
It’s so hard to keep up with which groups has dibs on...
The Origins of Political Correctness
Bill Lind, February 5, 2000
An Accuracy in Academia Address by Bill Lind
Variations of this speech have been delivered to various AIA conferences including the 2000 Conservative University at American University
Where does all this stuff that youve heard about this morning the victim feminism, the gay rights movement, the invented statistics, the rewritten history, the lies, the demands, all the rest of it where does it come from? For the first time in our history, Americans have to be fearful of what they say, of what they write, and of what they think. They have to be afraid of using the wrong word, a word denounced as offensive or insensitive, or racist, sexist, or homophobic.
We have seen other countries, particularly in this century, where this has been the case. And we have always regarded them with a mixture of pity, and to be truthful, some amusement, because it has struck us as so strange that people would allow a situation to develop where they would be afraid of what words they used. But we now have this situation in this country. We have it primarily on college campuses, but it is spreading throughout the whole society. Were does it come from? What is it?
We call it Political Correctness. The name originated as something of a joke, literally in a comic strip, and we tend still to think of it as only half-serious. In fact, its deadly serious. It is the great disease of our century, the disease that has left tens of millions of people dead in Europe, in Russia, in China, indeed around the world. It is the disease of ideology. PC is not funny. PC is deadly serious.
If we look at it analytically, if we look at it historically, we quickly find out exactly what it is. Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious.
First of all, both are totalitarian ideologies. The totalitarian nature of Political Correctness is revealed nowhere more clearly than on college campuses, many of which at this point are small ivy covered North Koreas, where the student or faculty member who dares to cross any of the lines set up by the gender feminist or the homosexual-rights activists, or the local black or Hispanic group, or any of the other sainted victims groups that PC revolves around, quickly find themselves in judicial trouble. Within the small legal system of the college, they face formal charges some star-chamber proceeding and punishment. That is a little look into the future that Political Correctness intends for the nation as a whole.
Indeed, all ideologies are totalitarian because the essence of an ideology (I would note that conservatism correctly understood is not an ideology) is to take some philosophy and say on the basis of this philosophy certain things must be true such as the whole of the history of our culture is the history of the oppression of women. Since reality contradicts that, reality must be forbidden. It must become forbidden to acknowledge the reality of our history. People must be forced to live a lie, and since people are naturally reluctant to live a lie, they naturally use their ears and eyes to look out and say, Wait a minute. This isnt true. I can see it isnt true, the power of the state must be put behind the demand to live a lie. That is why ideology invariably creates a totalitarian state.
Second, the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness, like economic Marxism, has a single factor explanation of history. Economic Marxism says that all of history is determined by ownership of means of production. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc., have power over which other groups. Nothing else matters. All literature, indeed, is about that. Everything in the past is about that one thing.
Third, just as in classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil. In the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals. These groups are determined to be victims, and therefore automatically good regardless of what any of them do. Similarly, white males are determined automatically to be evil, thereby becoming the equivalent of the bourgeoisie in economic Marxism.
Fourth, both economic and cultural Marxism rely on expropriation. When the classical Marxists, the communists, took over a country like Russia, they expropriated the bourgeoisie, they took away their property. Similarly, when the cultural Marxists take over a university campus, they expropriate through things like quotas for admissions. When a white student with superior qualifications is denied admittance to a college in favor of a black or Hispanic who isnt as well qualified, the white student is expropriated. And indeed, affirmative action, in our whole society today, is a system of expropriation. White owned companies dont get a contract because the contract is reserved for a company owned by, say, Hispanics or women. So expropriation is a principle tool for both forms of Marxism.
And finally, both have a method of analysis that automatically gives the answers they want. For the classical Marxist, its Marxist economics. For the cultural Marxist, its deconstruction. Deconstruction essentially takes any text, removes all meaning from it and re-inserts any meaning desired. So we find, for example, that all of Shakespeare is about the suppression of women, or the Bible is really about race and gender. All of these texts simply become grist for the mill, which proves that all history is about which groups have power over which other groups. So the parallels are very evident between the classical Marxism that were familiar with in the old Soviet Union and the cultural Marxism that we see today as Political Correctness.
But the parallels are not accidents. The parallels did not come from nothing. The fact of the matter is that Political Correctness has a history, a history that is much longer than many people are aware of outside a small group of academics who have studied this. And the history goes back, as I said, to World War I, as do so many of the pathologies that are today bringing our society, and indeed our culture, down.
Marxist theory said that when the general European war came (as it did come in Europe in 1914), the working class throughout Europe would rise up and overthrow their governments the bourgeois governments because the workers had more in common with each other across the national boundaries than they had in common with the bourgeoisie and the ruling class in their own country. Well, 1914 came and it didnt happen. Throughout Europe, workers rallied to their flag and happily marched off to fight each other. The Kaiser shook hands with the leaders of the Marxist Social Democratic Party in Germany and said there are no parties now, there are only Germans. And this happened in every country in Europe. So something was wrong.
Marxists knew by definition it couldnt be the theory. In 1917, they finally got a Marxist coup in Russia and it looked like the theory was working, but it stalled again. It didnt spread and when attempts were made to spread immediately after the war, with the Spartacist uprising in Berlin, with the Bela Kun government in Hungary, with the Munich Soviet, the workers didnt support them.
So the Marxists had a problem. And two Marxist theorists went to work on it: Antonio Gramsci in Italy and Georg Lukacs in Hungary. Gramsci said the workers will never see their true class interests, as defined by Marxism, until they are freed from Western culture, and particularly from the Christian religion that they are blinded by culture and religion to their true class interests. Lukacs, who was considered the most brilliant Marxist theorist since Marx himself, said in 1919, Who will save us from Western Civilization? He also theorized that the great obstacle to the creation of a Marxist paradise was the culture: Western civilization itself.
Lukacs gets a chance to put his ideas into practice, because when the home grown Bolshevik Bela Kun government is established in Hungary in 1919, he becomes deputy commissar for culture, and the first thing he did was introduce sex education into the Hungarian schools. This ensured that the workers would not support the Bela Kun government, because the Hungarian people looked at this aghast, workers as well as everyone else. But he had already made the connection that today many of us are still surprised by, that we would consider the latest thing.
In 1923 in Germany, a think-tank is established that takes on the role of translating Marxism from economic into cultural terms, that creates Political Correctness as we know it today, and essentially it has created the basis for it by the end of the 1930s. This comes about because the very wealthy young son of a millionaire German trader by the name of Felix Weil has become a Marxist and has lots of money to spend. He is disturbed by the divisions among the Marxists, so he sponsors something called the First Marxist Work Week, where he brings Lukacs and many of the key German thinkers together for a week, working on the differences of Marxism.
And he says, What we need is a think-tank. Washington is full of think tanks and we think of them as very modern. In fact they go back quite a ways. He endows an institute, associated with Frankfurt University, established in 1923, that was originally supposed to be known as the Institute for Marxism. But the people behind it decided at the beginning that it was not to their advantage to be openly identified as Marxist. The last thing Political Correctness wants is for people to figure out its a form of Marxism. So instead they decide to name it the Institute for Social Research.
Weil is very clear about his goals. In 1971, he wrote to Martin Jay the author of a principle book on the Frankfurt School, as the Institute for Social Research soon becomes known informally, and he said, I wanted the institute to become known, perhaps famous, due to its contributions to Marxism. Well, he was successful. The first director of the Institute, Carl Grunberg, an Austrian economist, concluded his opening address, according to Martin Jay, by clearly stating his personal allegiance to Marxism as a scientific methodology. Marxism, he said, would be the ruling principle at the Institute, and that never changed.
The initial work at the Institute was rather conventional, but in 1930 it acquired a new director named Max Horkheimer, and Horkheimers views were very different. He was very much a Marxist renegade. The people who create and form the Frankfurt School are renegade Marxists. Theyre still very much Marxist in their thinking, but theyre effectively run out of the party. Moscow looks at what they are doing and says, Hey, this isnt us, and were not going to bless this.
Horkheimers initial heresy is that he is very interested in Freud, and the key to making the translation of Marxism from economic into cultural terms is essentially that he combined it with Freudism. Again, Martin Jay writes, If it can be said that in the early years of its history, the Institute concerned itself primarily with an analysis of bourgeois societys socio-economic sub-structure, and I point out that Jay is very sympathetic to the Frankfurt School, Im not reading from a critic here in the years after 1930 its primary interests lay in its cultural superstructure. Indeed the traditional Marxist formula regarding the relationship between the two was brought into question by Critical Theory.
The stuff weve been hearing about this morning the radical feminism, the womens studies departments, the gay studies departments, the black studies departments all these things are branches of Critical Theory. What the Frankfurt School essentially does is draw on both Marx and Freud in the 1930s to create this theory called Critical Theory. The term is ingenious because youre tempted to ask, What is the theory? The theory is to criticize. The theory is that the way to bring down Western culture and the capitalist order is not to lay down an alternative. They explicitly refuse to do that. They say it cant be done, that we cant imagine what a free society would look like (their definition of a free society). As long as were living under repression the repression of a capitalistic economic order which creates (in their theory) the Freudian condition, the conditions that Freud describes in individuals of repression we cant even imagine it. What Critical Theory is about is simply criticizing. It calls for the most destructive criticism possible, in every possible way, designed to bring the current order down. And, of course, when we hear from the feminists that the whole of society is just out to get women and so on, that kind of criticism is a derivative of Critical Theory. It is all coming from the 1930s, not the 1960s.
Other key members who join up around this time are Theodore Adorno, and, most importantly, Erich Fromm and Herbert Marcuse. Fromm and Marcuse introduce an element which is central to Political Correctness, and thats the sexual element. And particularly Marcuse, who in his own writings calls for a society of polymorphous perversity, that is his definition of the future of the world that they want to create. Marcuse in particular by the 1930s is writing some very extreme stuff on the need for sexual liberation, but this runs through the whole Institute. So do most of the themes we see in Political Correctness, again in the early 30s. In Fromms view, masculinity and femininity were not reflections of essential sexual differences, as the Romantics had thought. They were derived instead from differences in life functions, which were in part socially determined. Sex is a construct; sexual differences are a construct.
Another example is the emphasis we now see on environmentalism. Materialism as far back as Hobbes had led to a manipulative dominating attitude toward nature. That was Horkhemier writing in 1933 in Materialismus und Moral. The theme of mans domination of nature, according to Jay, was to become a central concern of the Frankfurt School in subsequent years. Horkheimers antagonism to the fetishization of labor, (heres were theyre obviously departing from Marxist orthodoxy) expressed another dimension of his materialism, the demand for human, sensual happiness. In one of his most trenchant essays, Egoism and the Movement for Emancipation, written in 1936, Horkeimer discussed the hostility to personal gratification inherent in bourgeois culture. And he specifically referred to the Marquis de Sade, favorably, for his protest against asceticism in the name of a higher morality.
How does all of this stuff flood in here? How does it flood into our universities, and indeed into our lives today? The members of the Frankfurt School are Marxist, they are also, to a man, Jewish. In 1933 the Nazis came to power in Germany, and not surprisingly they shut down the Institute for Social Research. And its members fled. They fled to New York City, and the Institute was reestablished there in 1933 with help from Columbia University. And the members of the Institute, gradually through the 1930s, though many of them remained writing in German, shift their focus from Critical Theory about German society, destructive criticism about every aspect of that society, to Critical Theory directed toward American society. There is another very important transition when the war comes. Some of them go to work for the government, including Herbert Marcuse, who became a key figure in the OSS (the predecessor to the CIA), and some, including Horkheimer and Adorno, move to Hollywood.
These origins of Political Correctness would probably not mean too much to us today except for two subsequent events. The first was the student rebellion in the mid-1960s, which was driven largely by resistance to the draft and the Vietnam War. But the student rebels needed theory of some sort. They couldnt just get out there and say, Hell no we wont go, they had to have some theoretical explanation behind it. Very few of them were interested in wading through Das Kapital. Classical, economic Marxism is not light, and most of the radicals of the 60s were not deep. Fortunately for them, and unfortunately for our country today, and not just in the university, Herbert Marcuse remained in America when the Frankfurt School relocated back to Frankfurt after the war. And whereas Mr. Adorno in Germany is appalled by the student rebellion when it breaks out there when the student rebels come into Adornos classroom, he calls the police and has them arrested Herbert Marcuse, who remained here, saw the 60s student rebellion as the great chance. He saw the opportunity to take the work of the Frankfurt School and make it the theory of the New Left in the United States.
One of Marcuses books was the key book. It virtually became the bible of the SDS and the student rebels of the 60s. That book was Eros and Civilization. Marcuse argues that under a capitalistic order (he downplays the Marxism very strongly here, it is subtitled, A Philosophical Inquiry into Freud, but the framework is Marxist), repression is the essence of that order and that gives us the person Freud describes the person with all the hang-ups, the neuroses, because his sexual instincts are repressed. We can envision a future, if we can only destroy this existing oppressive order, in which we liberate eros, we liberate libido, in which we have a world of polymorphous perversity, in which you can do you own thing. And by the way, in that world there will no longer be work, only play. What a wonderful message for the radicals of the mid-60s! Theyre students, theyre baby-boomers, and theyve grown up never having to worry about anything except eventually having to get a job. And here is a guy writing in a way they can easily follow. He doesnt require them to read a lot of heavy Marxism and tells them everything they want to hear which is essentially, Do your own thing, If it feels good do it, and You never have to go to work. By the way, Marcuse is also the man who creates the phrase, Make love, not war. Coming back to the situation people face on campus, Marcuse defines liberating tolerance as intolerance for anything coming from the Right and tolerance for anything coming from the Left. Marcuse joined the Frankfurt School, in 1932 (if I remember right). So, all of this goes back to the 1930s.
In conclusion, America today is in the throes of the greatest and direst transformation in its history. We are becoming an ideological state, a country with an official state ideology enforced by the power of the state. In hate crimes we now have people serving jail sentences for political thoughts. And the Congress is now moving to expand that category ever further. Affirmative action is part of it. The terror against anyone who dissents from Political Correctness on campus is part of it. Its exactly what we have seen happen in Russia, in Germany, in Italy, in China, and now its coming here. And we dont recognize it because we call it Political Correctness and laugh it off. My message today is that its not funny, its here, its growing and it will eventually destroy, as it seeks to destroy, everything that we have ever defined as our freedom and our culture.
Well, shiver me TIMBERS!! Er, Zimmers, that is...
One must assume that rooms were usually made out of wood.
When I was traveling both in Germany and Austria, I always asked (in poor German) if there was a “Zimmer” in the vicinity. Before the advent of the Euro, one could get amazing deals for a Zimmer, now they’re more expensive.
V.I. Lenin? A Jew too? Really?
Zimmerman did not look Jewish....like say Dangerfield or Joan or Rickles or the best example
Zimmerman looked cosmo Mex to me....
Funny nobody mentions the real Zimmerman connection
.....pump don’t work cause the vandal took the handle
Conyo....you nailed it
Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov-Blank;(12 April 1870 21 January 1924), better known as Vladimir Lenin, was a communist terrorist of Jewish descent, mass murderer, propagandist and dictator of the RSFSR, as well as from 1922, the first de facto dictator of the Soviet Empire, established after the Jews took control of Russia during the October Revolution. Lenin himself was moved into place by the German Empire. Despite positioning himself as "leader of the proletariat", he lived a parasitic life and was not himself a worker.
He was the creator of Leninism, an extension of Marxist theory. Lenin set up the Gulag slave system and during his reign, along with co-tribesman Leon Trotsky✡ carried out the murder of some 13 million Russian Christians in the TrotskyLenin Holocaust. Despite this, the legion of crimes commited by Bolshevist Jewry under Lenin are hidden, shifted under the propaganda phrase of "Stalinism".