Obama's Signs Executive Action: If a Child 'Confesses' ... Mommy & Daddy Have a Gun...

RedFlagNews.com (blog) ^ | June 25, 2013 | Michael Connelly

[holden]

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one of the 23 so called executive actions on gun control Obama recently signed called for doctors to ask their patients if they owned a firearm. This is not just directed at psychiatrists, but at all physicians including pediatricians. In other words, if your child confesses that Mommy and Daddy have a gun in the house that could conceivably be considered the actions of mentally defective individuals and you could be disarmed. Once we are disarmed we cease to be citizens and become subjects.

[Aarchaeus]

"if there are guns in their house...No need to ask that here in West Texas. The answer would be yes 90% of the time."

Only 90%??

We must have too many yankees moving into the state>

[Nifster]

Part of every physical is to do an appropriate bit of observation.... not for signs of abuse but for signs that the child is growing in a healthy manner. I can remember being examined (visually) by my pediatrician and that was a hell of a long time ago. My mother was always in the same room. This was true for my child as well. Unless your doc specifically said he was looking for signs of abuse I would not be so quick to make that conclusion. If he did say that I would find a new doc

[elkfersupper]

Who employs the doctor? The patient or the government?

Whoever pays them employs them. That's the way it's been since they used to make house calls in the 1950's.

[sten]

seems like authorities interrogating a minor without their adult or guardian present

on the flip side, if they’re looking for tips on who has guns... I’m sure every liberal you know has a gun. do society a favor, and drop a dime on your local liberal. I’m sure they’ll enjoy the knock at their door

[Taxman]

To shoot the Bastards?

[Pining_4_TX]

I do think the health and human services tyrants are requiring more than what is necessary.

[july4thfreedomfoundation]

“They didn’t do this when my children were small.”

Unfortunately, America has gotten worse since then.
I want the old America back.

Here in Maine, I don’t know if they ask about firearms; I’ve never been asked. Just about everyone here is armed in this mostly rural state.

[baddog 219]

[Taxman]

Great answer!

Taxman Bravo Zulu! for teaching your daughter to say that!

[bicyclerepair]

I think FL passed a law prohibiting DRs to ask that.

[workerbee]

To top it all, apparently doctors now have to look at a child’s genitals at every visit for signs of abuse.

Our pediatrician takes about 1.5 seconds to look "under the underwear" of my daughters, and this only after asking them if it's okay to look. I don't think it's about checking for abuse as much as ascertaining the onset/level of pubescence. And I'm right there beside them, so I have no qualms. If something beyond this is going on, you should ask the pediatricians about the purpose of the exam. It can always be refused.

[laplata]

My niece is a pediatric nurse and she says it’s now standard procedure to ask parents *and* kids if there are guns in their house.

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My response would be: “I carry. Want to see it?”

[Paladin2]

I'd ask the "health" givers if they were US citizens and could prove it. I'd ask them to see their STASI credentials.

(Then I'd explain to them the dangers of canoeing.)

[2ndDivisionVet]

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[Scotswife]

I was even discussing the confessional with my parents.

What if the priest is carrying a phone with him.
He may be unwittingly allowing “others” to listen in without knowing it.

[OneWingedShark]

>> Who employs the doctor? The patient or the government?
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>Whoever pays them employs them. That's the way it's been since they used to make house calls in the 1950's.

But here's the thing: executive orders are only supposed to be for government employees. So then, if the EO is to have any effect it must be asserted that the doctors are government employees.

[Nifster]

Oh I don’t doubt that but good docs don’t play that game. They know exactly what is necessary for them to do their job. I have a friend who works for the VA in home health care. This person makes a pint of not discussing certain things with the patient because it is overly intrusive and not medical needed

[laplata]

Shades of Hitler grow stronger and stronger in this clowns day to day actions.

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Obama is definitely moving into the same league as Stalin and Hitler.

[CrazyIvan]

One reason I like my doc. Every visit starts with a discussion of cool guns and bikes. (I'm into BMW, him HD but we're both into Mausers)

[holden]

By such action, the government clearly is acting as if it has invasive rights to this kind of information that was previously considered doctor-patient confidential.

Ladies and gentlemen, we've arrived at a point where the government has violated The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures. No Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Since the government has no Constitutional right to seizure of our personal information, it has no right to act on the basis of information gained unlawfully.

Following the Constitution used to be engrained in American Citizens, such that they would do things in accord therewith as a matter of course. Going forward, this will be coerced and acquiesced to, as the GOP has acquiesced to their subservient, unable-to-impeach status.

Physicians are hereby ripped from their previous relationships of confidentiality and following the Constitution and turned into Constitution-abusing snitches, doing great harm to their patients. They should rebel, which of course under the NDAA will be considered a "belligerent act" (See belligerentact.org).

Or are We the People going to do something about it?

HF