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How Will the Church Respond to the SCOTUS Rulings?
Engage Family Blog ^ | July 1, 2013 | Nathan Cherry

Posted on 07/11/2013 7:26:56 PM PDT by rhema

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". . . But I’m even more concerned for what this means for the church in America. Dr. Russell Moore made a statementthat bears repeating:

In another sense, though, the marginalization of conjugal marriage in American culture has profound implications for our gospel witness. First of all, marriage isn’t incidental to gospel preaching. There’s a reason why persons don’t split apart like amoebas. We were all conceived in the union between a man and a woman. Beyond the natural reality, the gospel tells us there’s a cosmic mystery (Eph. 5:32). God designed the one-flesh union of marriage as an embedded icon of the union between Christ and his church. Marriage and sexuality, among the most powerful pulls in human existence, are designed to train humanity to recognize, in the fullness of time, what it means for Jesus to be one with his church, as a head with a body.

This is the fundamental goal of redefining marriage – to erase any semblance of Christ and His church from our culture. It’s not to attain equality or benefits, those are distractions designed to pull at heart strings and dominate the narrative while the underlying goal is advanced. People living in rebellion to God don’t want the truth staring them in the face; moral absolutes preach a truth that cuts to the heart. So the only thing left for those in rebellion to do is destroy any absolutes.

"I think the pregnant question is how will the church respond? Will it continue to tolerate a culture of divorce, cohabitation, and infidelity in marriage that threatens to destroy the family? Will it continue to skirt the issue of homosexuality in order to not “offend” anyone? Or will the church finally start teaching a complete model of biblical sexuality and marriage that boldly addresses all these issues? It’s not unloving to teach the truth of Scripture. It is however, unloving to teach only a half-truth while ignoring the whole truth."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christianity; fags; homosexualagenda; loadurgunsboys; marriage; queernation; scotus

1 posted on 07/11/2013 7:26:56 PM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema

Obama: I won’t make churches conduct gay marriages


2 posted on 07/11/2013 7:28:49 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: rhema

Every homosexual owes her life to 2 heterosexuals. That’s an enormous debt.


3 posted on 07/11/2013 7:33:48 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: All

They will respond with a fierce SILENCE! What did YOU expect? If they open their mouths, they will be attacked, vigorously!


4 posted on 07/11/2013 7:33:55 PM PDT by Klemper
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To: 2banana

Hubris, thy name is Soetoro


5 posted on 07/11/2013 7:34:57 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: rhema
Will it continue to tolerate a culture of divorce, cohabitation, and infidelity in marriage that threatens to destroy the family?

Uh Yes. The church should not try to forceably stop sinful behavior if that is what this guy is suggesting. The Church is not the Taliban. The Church needs to educate regarding what is sinful behavior and urge sinners to come to Christ. The Church should focus on its job which is to teach the gospel and quit watering it down.

6 posted on 07/11/2013 7:43:22 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: 2banana

Clinton: DOMA will withstand constitutional muster.


7 posted on 07/11/2013 7:43:57 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Klemper
They will respond with a fierce SILENCE! What did YOU expect? If they open their mouths, they will be attacked, vigorously!

You got that right.

The lamestream media hates Catholics and evangelicals. They hate them because those two religious entities point out the emptiness and nothingness of the mainstream media, people and styles.

8 posted on 07/11/2013 7:49:19 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Klemper; lightman; SmithL; Charles Henrickson
Many are not staying silent on the sidelines. The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod is one of the denominations denouncing the ruling.

Responding to the theological and religious-liberty implications of the U.S. Supreme Court’s June 26 decision regarding same-sex marriage, The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod issued a statement from the Rev. Bart Day, executive director of the LCMS Office of National Mission, saying “we are saddened for our nation, even as we call our fellow Christians to faithfulness and prayer.”

“As Christians, we believe and confess that God Himself instituted marriage as the lifelong union of one man and one woman,” Day said in the statement found at thelc.ms/19Cdp5j. “As Christians, we proclaim this truth, no matter what the courts or legislatures may say.”

“Now there is a much larger looming issue,” said the Rev. Dr. Matthew C. Harrison, LCMS president. “This ruling portends a growing bureaucratic opposition to our First Amendment right to ‘free exercise of religion,’ our ability to speak the Gospel and our capacity to perform acts of mercy in caring for our neighbor, including those who struggle with same-sex attraction. Yet God is in His heavens, and we are baptized for this moment.”

The statement was issued shortly after the Supreme Court’s decision was announced. It was emailed to about 17,000 pastors and church workers, who were encouraged to share the statement with congregation members, family and friends “reminding them that the LCMS will continue to teach marriage according to God’s plan and gift.”

“We are called not to popularity but to truth,” Day said in the statement. “Therefore, we call on our fellow Christians to be faithful first to God’s Word, knowing that another court is ultimately supreme. Marriage is a fundamental building block of society, binding parents to their offspring.

“Every child benefits from the nurture of a mother and the leadership of a father.”

9 posted on 07/11/2013 7:50:18 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: plain talk
The Church needs to educate regarding what is sinful behavior and urge sinners to come to Christ. The Church should focus on its job which is to teach the gospel and quit watering it down.

Sinners already have the ten commandments (NOT "suggestions").
The Church's DAILY Mass has it all, readings from both testaments, homilies and communion, that is, everything. The New Testament is the Eucharist. That is what Scott Hahn was saying about why the New Testament is new. It's all about the Eucharist, totally new.

Our priests do no watering down. Besides how can "thou shalt not..." be watered down. There's no wiggle room in "thou shalt not steal." We ALL know what that means.
Just my opinion.

10 posted on 07/11/2013 7:54:07 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: 2banana
Obama: I won’t make churches conduct gay marriages

Obama CAN'T be so stupid as to think that he can "MAKE" the Catholic Church DO, think or say ANYTHING, can he?

Two men (or two women) CAN'T be married so conducting a "gay marriage" isn't possible. It would be like conducting a marriage between two pieces of bread or between two cars....not possible.

11 posted on 07/11/2013 7:57:39 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: rhema

The church should forget about government sanctioned marriage and instead promote and conduct Bible based Holy Matrimony.


12 posted on 07/11/2013 7:58:26 PM PDT by Patrick1 (“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”)
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To: rhema

I think a far more relevant question would be: How do Christians actually live out their own marriages?

Frankly, I believe the [C]hurch is following the culture. We eat, drink and waste our time and lives much as the culture does. Functioning, loving and successful Christian marriages are something of the exception, not the rule. Same goes for our lives and child rearing.

I have traveled much of the world and consistently found Western Christianity lacking in the primacy of surrender (brokenness, if you will) to the Lordship of Christ. Instead, we seem to pretty much fall into the ‘good enough’ pattern of middle class existence and not think about things too deeply.

One simple book, ‘The Pursuit of God’ by A.W. Tozer switched on the lights for me. Today, I am still a sinful man, but I’m standing at the plate and willing to swing (pretty much). The tenuous grasp I have on the meaning of surrender has blown apart, forever, my religious conceptions of what it means to please God and what He expects of us.

The [c]hurch may howl all it wants about this or that, but the [C]hurch immortal and invisible will not be left alone by our Master. He WILL bring us into his purposes one way or another, Usually, I have found, that is totally contrary to what we suppose his methods and purposes are. In matters of family and marriage, after submission to his revealed will, we are to be spent as sacrifices for our charges. Few of us will ever take that charge seriously. Fewer still will pursue it.


13 posted on 07/11/2013 7:59:49 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (You hear it here first.)
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To: 2banana
Never believe anything Obama says. What he may have meant is that he won't actually hold a gun to the head of any priest or minister who refuses to officiate at a same-sex "marriage," but that he will use all the coercive powers at his disposal short of outright physical force. The courts and the IRS can make life pretty unpleasant if Obama unleashes them against those who resist the new elite-approved redefinition of marriage.

Actually, it may not come to a head in the next three years...it will be Hillary who goes all out to try to coerce the churches into compliance.

14 posted on 07/11/2013 8:05:30 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: WorkingClassFilth
That's what Russell Moore states (in the article linked in Nathan Cherry's blog post):

This [ruling] gives Christian churches the opportunity to do what Jesus called us to do with our marriages in the first place: to serve as a light in a dark place. Permanent, stable marriages with families with both a mother and a father may well make us seem freakish in 21st-century culture. But is there anything more "freakish" than a crucified cosmic ruler? Is there anything more "freakish" than a gospel that can forgive rebels like us and make us sons and daughters? Let's embrace the freakishness, and crucify our illusions of a moral majority.

That means that we must repent of our pathetic marriage cultures within the church. For too long, we've refused to discipline a divorce culture that has ravaged our cultures. For too long, we've quieted our voices on the biblical witness of the distinctive missions of fathers and mothers in favor of generic messages on "parenting."

For too long, we've acted as though the officers of Christ's church were Justices of the Peace, marrying people who have no accountability to the church, and in many cases were forbidden by Scripture to marry. Just because we don't have two brides or two grooms in front of us, that doesn't mean we've been holding to biblical marriage.

15 posted on 07/11/2013 8:07:01 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Amen.


16 posted on 07/11/2013 8:09:15 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (You hear it here first.)
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To: Patrick1

That is what I have been saying for a while now.


17 posted on 07/11/2013 8:11:59 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cloudmountain

By “The Church” I was mainly to the body of Christian churches which includes some liberal ones. RCC has its own set of problems but thats a different story all together


18 posted on 07/11/2013 8:13:33 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Erick Erickson writes

. . . gay marriage and religion are not compatible. “The left cannot take marriage out of government because for so long it has been government through which marriages were legitimized to the public and the left must also use government to silence those, particularly the religious, who refuse to play along.”

The gay rights movement has been very, very successful. But they have failed on the religious front. So the religious front cannot be accommodated. It must be made to yield.

There is one bright spot for Christians in America, though it will not appear so. Christianity in America has become soft. Persecution of the faithful will strengthen it as it has done for centuries. It will happen. We best prepare.

19 posted on 07/11/2013 8:18:30 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

I fully agree. I have let go of my sectarianism long ago and urge the brothers and sisters in my sphere to do the same. We do not have a religion or serve an ‘interpretation of God. The closer we walk with him, the less we care about our sects and the more we find His true nature.

I truly believe God will literally burn our religious notions right out of us if we care enough to obey and follow. This is not to say we’ll all congregate in some ecumenical stewpot. Just that in losing our false (in some case millennia old) ideas about God and Faith by walking with the living Christ, we’ll find ourselves in the company of the saints - and persecution. Marriage, in the future, will be the stigma illegitimacy was 10,20 or 30 years ago.

Be prepared.


20 posted on 07/11/2013 8:26:38 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (You hear it here first.)
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To: rhema

Gays will soon be taking churches to court to force them to perform gay marriages.


21 posted on 07/11/2013 8:32:08 PM PDT by stockpirate (If conservatives in America were committed to liberty they would Cairo DC!)
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To: rhema

Will the church be allowed to respond in the People’s Republic of Obamastan?


22 posted on 07/11/2013 8:43:25 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: rhema

I’m fast transforming into a gospel radical, as anything less dips into some kind of idolatry, whether it be of culture or of country or of society or of history or even of church congregations. The gospel can transform all these things in a wondrous way but it can’t “meet them halfway.” Jesus has to be the King... period.

The Christians who refuse to blink, standing in a gospel of radical salvation by grace through faith in a God whose love goes beyond any imaginable human measure, will prove victorious. Whether or not some get fed to the lions, and some may. All this talk about whether or not Christians are getting inconvenienced needs to be jettisoned. The statement needs to be crystal clear across all serious Christian worship communities that we WON’T obey Caesar when Caesar orders us to sin or be a party to encouraging sin, period. And we aren’t going to lower ourselves into the grievance game in the process, and thus fall for one way Satan cheapens the gospel message.


23 posted on 07/11/2013 9:32:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
The [c]hurch may howl all it wants about this or that, but the [C]hurch immortal and invisible will not be left alone by our Master. He WILL bring us into his purposes one way or another, Usually, I have found, that is totally contrary to what we suppose his methods and purposes are.

Sage words. You pen truth, and with eloquence and grace.

24 posted on 07/11/2013 10:49:21 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: rhema

The US Army trained us to not speculate on what others may or may not do.To accept responsibility for our own actions. But the question has been posed. Prophecy suggest Christ is coming back for His Bride-And I recall Woe to those that are with child.” (which I take to mean there will be some beguiled by the enemy/wholly seduced/impregnated by the false Christ)?Perhaps an answer for those who can understand.As for myself— recall that once upon a time in these United States before the Judicial House/and the Nation became so divided against itself— in the beginning of this Christian Nation our Law schools and Educators understood that to be valid No human law could violate the laws dictated by God ,Himself—be they the Natural Law —or the Revealed Law. Natural Law dictates that tow males— or two females may know each other but that carnal knowledge produces no progeny.The Revealed Law teaches that Moses in Genesis 1:27; Jesus of Nazareth in the Gospel of Mark chapter 10: —and again in Matthew 19: ;and after that Rabbi from Nazareth was raised by God to be Christ the Apostle Paul( a former Pharisee/ a Jewish convert to the way of Jesus Christ) in his to the Church of God at Corinth—
1 Corinthians chapter 6:How is it that the Revealed Law inspired by God written down by men inspired by God at three distinct times separated by time and circumstance all reflect the same “marriage” model Used even by local Judges and in most Christian Churches. I cannot say how the Church will respond— I can say how the Church Universal and every American Patriot who loves the Law ought respond. Marriage is the legal union by a man and a woman in the Holy Estate of Matrimony. As recognized by the US supreme Court in Murphy v. Ramsey and others ,1885.(when we were closer to our nations foundations— and yet were taught the principles necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind —Religion( Christianity -see Joseph Story ,1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States -on the first Amendment and the Government encouraging Christianity) Morality( Necessarily in a Christian Nation—the Morality of a nation would reflect the national religion/Christianity) and Knowledge -—Article III Fundamental Law the twice passed Northwest Ordinance.July 1787 and Aug.1789 -when Law reflected concepts seen in a Sermon preached in this case on May 10,1787 in Hartford Conn. Elizur Goodrich The Principles of Civil Unions and Happiness Considered and Recommended”Note at that time in America Sodomy was still a Capital Crime/ Crime of Infamy punishable by death-or expulsion—So it is unlikely Pastor Goodrich advocated same sex unions.


25 posted on 07/12/2013 4:46:45 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: rhema
For too long, we've acted as though the officers of Christ's church were Justices of the Peace, marrying people who have no accountability to the church, and in many cases were forbidden by Scripture to marry. Just because we don't have two brides or two grooms in front of us, that doesn't mean we've been holding to biblical marriage.

Needs to be repeated.

26 posted on 07/12/2013 7:55:54 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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