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Breaking – State moves to charge Zimmerman with 3d Degree Murder based on Aggravated Child Abuse
Legal Insurrection ^ | Thursday, July 11, 2013 at 10:37am | William A. Jacobson

Posted on 07/11/2013 9:11:32 AM PDT by Sopater

As expected, the Judge in the George Zimmerman case ruled that in addition to Second Degree Murder, she will instruct the jury on the lesser included offense of Manslaughter, as required by Florida case law.

In a surprise move this morning, the prosecution asked the Judge to drop the Aggravated Assault charge and to instruct the jury on Third Degree Murder, which is murder in the course of committing a felony.

The felony the State wanted as the predicate was Aggravated Child Abuse (Jury Instruction) because Trayvon Martin was 17 at the time of the shooting.

According to Don West, the defense was not notified until 7:30 a.m. this morning.

This surprise is important because the defense did not have time to research the law, while the State presented numerous cases. Generally it is not a defense to child abuse that the perpetrator did not know the age of the victim. This is an unusual circumstance, however, where Zimmerman was punched in the nose and the “child” was on top punching him — to say that excessive use of force in defense of an attack by a “child” is child abuse certainly requires some time to research and argue. I don’t know the answer to that legal question, but the court should give the defense time to research and argue it. (Update 11:35 a.m. — Judge just indicated she will give defense time to research, but didn’t indicate how long until 1 p.m.)

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1 posted on 07/11/2013 9:11:32 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

Child abuse??? What, no child pornography charge against GZ?


2 posted on 07/11/2013 9:14:11 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Sopater

George should have run when he had the chance.


3 posted on 07/11/2013 9:14:32 AM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Sopater

WTF??

what FELONY was Zimmerman committing?

WATCH CAREFULLY, HISPANICS (and EVERYONE!) at the lengths the Obama administration will go to, in order to send an innocent man to jail.


4 posted on 07/11/2013 9:14:34 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Sopater

What I think is happening is a deliberate destruction of the case so it can be retried as a civil rights case in a federal court.


5 posted on 07/11/2013 9:14:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sopater

Justice is dead, long live Justice.

Gentlemen, start your engines.

“Don’t get caught”.

Good luck.


6 posted on 07/11/2013 9:15:25 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Sopater

...this is coming directly from Odungo himself....


7 posted on 07/11/2013 9:15:31 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: cripplecreek

I wish I could say that you’re mistaken... but I can’t.


8 posted on 07/11/2013 9:17:01 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

So with new charges can they ask for new opportunity to present a defense?

They defended him against the existing charges- don’t they have to have a new trial for new charges?

I mean what if they said “Oh we want to charge him with tax-evasion now too... “?

Then they can recall the police department head who said oon CNN that OBAMA FORCE HIM TO RAILROAD Zimmerman after the initially decided NOT to charge him


9 posted on 07/11/2013 9:17:35 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

It’s a Soviet show trial folks. This is what MarxoFascists DO to create a climate of fear among it’s people and rile up their worshippers to the State.

Did any of you really think the Obama regime’s Social InJustice would for a second, allow the truth to prevail?


10 posted on 07/11/2013 9:17:38 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Sopater
Obama and holder got in touch with the liberal judge..If this jury convicts Mr Zimmerman they are a bunch of woosies..
11 posted on 07/11/2013 9:17:53 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Sopater

What the heck? Can they just keep throwing new charges at him so that something might stick? What next, charge him for littering?


12 posted on 07/11/2013 9:18:09 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Sopater

Ok, so in Florida, it’s legal to change the indictment brought against you by the state when the state begins to realize that they are not going to be able to prove the original charge? So, Ok, let’s charge him with 3rd degree murder, Oh, no, how about Manslaughter?

Wouldn’t new charges demand a new trial? I pray to God that the jury just out and out acquits Zimmerman. This is unbelievable.


13 posted on 07/11/2013 9:18:39 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Sopater

14 posted on 07/11/2013 9:18:53 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: Sopater

We now convict or acquit based upon the skin color of the participants. A sad day for what was once a fine judicial system.


15 posted on 07/11/2013 9:18:53 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: INVAR

Planting the seeds rather for a future revolt down the road.


16 posted on 07/11/2013 9:18:59 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sopater

Tried to tell all those “He’s going to walk” folks. The state of Florida’s power structure has decreed that this man goes to prison no matter what. The old police chief testified that the department’s investigation was hijacked by politicians, and that they were ordered to arrest him even though no cause existed to do so. George Zimmerman is to be sacrificed to the gods of racial correctness. I fully expect he’ll be murdered shortly after being sent to prison.


17 posted on 07/11/2013 9:19:04 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Sopater

When do the crackas start rioting for this injustice?


18 posted on 07/11/2013 9:19:46 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Goodbye America. Glad the majority of my years were spent during the good days.)
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To: Sopater
This is a lynching by the Black KKK.

The terrorist wing of the Democrat Party.


19 posted on 07/11/2013 9:19:49 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Sopater

Outrageous. Violation of Zimmerman’s substantive right to due process of law and grounds for appeal. But coming from this bunch, not surprising.


20 posted on 07/11/2013 9:19:59 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Sopater

The judge already said something along the lines of ‘If I screw this up, you can try again in a higher court’.


21 posted on 07/11/2013 9:20:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mrsmel
What next, charge him for littering?

Not using the black bags provided at the beginning of the walkway.

22 posted on 07/11/2013 9:20:34 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: cripplecreek

Bingo!!! Mistrial in the making. What a farce this is.


23 posted on 07/11/2013 9:20:43 AM PDT by marygam (I have extra ducktape for anyone who needs to wrap their head.)
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To: Mr. K

That’s just it - in order for it to be 3rd degree, they have to have a “predicate” felony,
which is why they are going for the absurd charge of “child abuse”.

Yeah, a 17 yr old, 6’ 3”, 220 lb, MMA trained, first/sucker punch throwing, straddle vice beating with intent to kill,

“child”.


24 posted on 07/11/2013 9:21:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sopater

This is un-freakin’-believable!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot believe what I am reading here, I cannot believe it. This should make EVERYBODY take to the streets and riot, because if the fascists can do this, they can charge ANYBODY with ANYTHING.

In the course of committing a felony?? Did I miss something here? Did Zimmerman feel Trayvon up before he shot him? Did he take nude photos of him?

I pray the jury is not falling for this tripe, but I wouldn’t doubt it being that is probably fixed as well.


25 posted on 07/11/2013 9:21:44 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

“Now you’re gonna know what it’s like to be ruled by the black man.”

— NBP thug at Philadelphia polling place, November, 2008


26 posted on 07/11/2013 9:21:51 AM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: Sopater

So after the defense rests, a new charge is brought into play. Nothing like changing the game after the game is over.


27 posted on 07/11/2013 9:21:59 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Sopater

1st Villager: ‘e’s a witch! Burn ‘im!”
2nd Villager: “’ow do you know ‘e’s a witch?”
1st villager: “Uh ... ummm... ‘E LOOKS like one! Burn ‘im!”


28 posted on 07/11/2013 9:22:15 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: DesScorp

If this is the case, and there are not riots in the streets by Zimmerman supporters, then we deserve what is to come. “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


29 posted on 07/11/2013 9:22:54 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Sopater; All

This case becomes more preposterous by the minute, the state does not want justice, it just wants to lynch someone.


30 posted on 07/11/2013 9:23:05 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Sopater

I’ll say it again: this is a high-tech necklacing.


31 posted on 07/11/2013 9:23:44 AM PDT by wideawake
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Looks more and more like a mistrial in the making, mark my words.


32 posted on 07/11/2013 9:23:59 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Windcatcher

I have no doubt that this is just what one would expect.


33 posted on 07/11/2013 9:24:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
From the link regarding 3rd degree murder:

Reason for fight about murder3: If #Zimmerman is so convicted, he'll face a life sentence under 10-20-life. #Trayvon, #Zimmerman.

34 posted on 07/11/2013 9:24:37 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Sopater

The fix is in, Zimmerman will never be a free man again. Holder, obama, sharpton, and all of the race baiting pimps, and their political whores and judicial lackeys, will make sure that they either get riots, or a dead Zimmerman, with riots. The rule of law is dead in America. Welcome to the new lawless land.


35 posted on 07/11/2013 9:24:39 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Sopater
Some "children" just need killin'.

You would think liberals would agree.

36 posted on 07/11/2013 9:26:14 AM PDT by Envisioning (It's the Jihad, stupid......)
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To: Sopater; Diogenesis; Fred Nerks; Travis McGee; All









37 posted on 07/11/2013 9:27:03 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Sopater

38 posted on 07/11/2013 9:27:18 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Sopater

Child abuse? WTF? This is law abuse by the judge! I think a child should run up to her, punch her in the nose then knock her to the ground and beat her head against the floor repeatedly!


39 posted on 07/11/2013 9:27:40 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Third Person

He should join Snowden.


40 posted on 07/11/2013 9:27:45 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Biggirl
Planting the seeds rather for a future revolt down the road.

Future revolt?

The seeds for 'revolt' were planted the moment the Obama regime sought to railroad Zimmerman in order to orchestrate chaos. Those seeds have germinated and Obama is simply waiting for his efforts to incite a race war to ignite.

Then he will have the excuse he wants.

If you were referring to the rest of America revolting against this blatant race-war pimping, that's not gonna happen. Bloodshed is going to trump common sense - just you watch.

41 posted on 07/11/2013 9:28:10 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: cripplecreek

“What I think is happening is a deliberate destruction of the case so it can be retried as a civil rights case in a federal court.”

You may be on to something.

You know the pimp Holder is chomping at the bit on this for a civil rights case.


42 posted on 07/11/2013 9:28:22 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: cripplecreek
Then Zimmerman's defense should appeal any decision immediately to a higher court before the case even goes to the jury.
43 posted on 07/11/2013 9:29:14 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: Sopater

Black justice by the communists judge and the court system.


44 posted on 07/11/2013 9:29:17 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Sopater

May as well charge him as an accessory in the JFK assassination...

Makes about as much sense.


45 posted on 07/11/2013 9:29:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Sopater

He didn’t do anything wrong!

Once again, those who obey the law get completely ass raped by the people who don’t. :(:(:(:(:(


46 posted on 07/11/2013 9:29:38 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Sopater

Maybe WE should be the ones threatening to riot! This is nothing but a kangaroo court!


47 posted on 07/11/2013 9:29:57 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Sopater
You have a six-foot tall person straddling you, you're on your back getting your head pounded into the sidewalk, your nose is severely broken and you're choking on your own blood in a sensation not unlike waterboarding. The perp isn't letting up and you have a very real fear that you are going to die if you don't do something drastic, so you shoot him.

You aren't going to question how old the SOB is, You're effing dying here!

BTW, imho he didn't abuse the perp, he just shot him, once.

48 posted on 07/11/2013 9:30:44 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Mr. K
what FELONY was Zimmerman committing?

Apparently he was beating TM's fists with his face... poor child.
49 posted on 07/11/2013 9:31:34 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Then Zimmerman’s defense should appeal any decision immediately to a higher court before the case even goes to the jury.


File a motion for mistrial...


50 posted on 07/11/2013 9:32:27 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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