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In this Wisconsin town, you get the smart meter or they shut you down
The Wisconsin Reporter ^ | 7-11-13 | Ryan Ekvall

Posted on 07/11/2013 6:06:50 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

BARABOO — Residents in this small southern Wisconsin city have two choices when it comes to the brave new world of the Smart Grid: Go along with new “smart” meters for public utilities or get along without water, gas or electricity.

Most residents don’t make a fuss and let the utilities install the new smart meters, which are supposed to provide utility customers and taxpayers with savings from real-time data usage and less manpower needed to read traditional analog meters.

Some residents, however, including 81-year-old Audrey Parker, say the smart meters are an invasion of privacy, and they believe the technology’s use of radio frequency poses health concerns.

Parker and the Sheriffs, a Baraboo family, fought city hall over installation of the new meters and have seemingly lost.

ALL IN: Baraboo is among several Wisconsin communities that requires utility customers to install smart meter technology. If customers refuse, they lose. The two households had their water shut off on Tuesday.

“My husband is 74 years old and he’s been hauling five gallon buckets of water into the house for us to flush the toilet,” said Darcy Sheriff, 65. “It’s not even sanitary. It’s just a disgusting situation.”

The Sheriffs recently took in a family with a 2-year-old girl to stay with them until August, adding to the sticky situation.

“We’re not political crusader-type people. We just know it’s time to take a stand. This has gone too far. We don’t want this thing in our home,” Sheriff told Wisconsin Reporter on Wednesday. “It’s none of the city’s business when I’m using water or what I’m using. Just that we don’t know for sure (about health issues) is enough to bother us.”

Mayor Mike Palm did not return requests for comment, but city officials told Wisconsin Reporter on Wednesday that the city tried to convince the holdouts to let them in to install the new meter.

“With 4,612 customers, there’s fewer than a handful left to do,” said Tom Pinion, director of Public Works for the city. “Every residence in Baraboo that has electric meters and gas meters has this exact same device in their home. Every home has two transceiver units. This is a third.”

The smart meter uses radio-frequency waves to send usage data between a utility customer’s home and their utility company. The high-tech gauges are a key link in the transition to the Smart Grid, the shared initiative of the federal government and the energy industry to modernize the nation’s electricity transmission and distribution system. There’s a lot of taxpayer money involved in a myriad programs to bring the Smart Grid and smart meters online.

Small pockets of citizens in municipalities throughout the country have balked at the new technology. Some cite health concerns, others see the meters as an invasion of privacy and still others link the technology to United Nations Agenda 21, a conspiracy theory based on an actual UN policy initiative that purports the global elite want to control, among other things, how much energy people use.

Pinion said he hasn’t seen any evidence that backs up the health and privacy concerns cited by Parker. Regardless, he said, she has to comply with city policies to receive city resources.

“It’s not an option,” he said. “The service she’s had the last umpteen years has been water. She can certainly continue to have water, but we have an obligation to change up the meter.”

The Public Service Commission has allowed municipalities and private utilities to decide whether they want to offer an opt-out provision. Some communities, like the city of Madison, allow an opt-out, although it doesn’t come without a cost.

Madison Water Utility customers who decline the installation of a smart meter have to pay a monthly charge of $7.78 for a quarterly manual meter reading, according to the utility.

Baraboo, like other Wisconsin communities, doesn’t offer an opt-out option.

SHUTDOWN: Jim Sheriff pours water into the toilet of his Baraboo home Wednesday. The city water utility temporarily shut off water to the property because Sheriff and his wife, Darcy, have refused the installation of a smart water meter. PSC spokesman Nathan Conrad said less than 1 percent of complaints filed with the commission since 2010 have dealt with smart meters.

Pinion said 17 other Wisconsin communities use the same transceiver model and don’t allow an opt-out option.

“We’re not breaking any new ground here,” he said.

State Rep. Jeremy Thiesfeldt, R-Fond du Lac, however, wants to give customers statewide the option to opt-out of smart meter installation.

“Smart meters are seeking efficiencies, and that’s a noble thing, but what’s been happening with smart meters is utility providers by and large don’t have competition,” he said. “So when these smart meters are installed, customers are not being given options. This would allow an opt-out for customers who, for whatever reason, don’t want smart meters.”

Thiesfeldt said he’s fielded just a handful of formal complaints from constituents, but has heard concern from other people at public events.

“Privacy concerns are the thrust of the bill that I have put forward,” the lawmaker said. “I think this is a Fourth Amendment issue. People should be able to control their personal data.”

Thiesfeldt pointed to “government snooping” revelations from National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden as a reason why personal data collection should be protected.

“The public utility is able to measure an unbelievable amount of data in your household, getting down to whether or not you’re using a microwave or a stove,” he said. “I want the public to know what these devices are capable of doing. You ought to be able to control your personal data of what’s going on inside your home.”

The PSC intervened Wednesday, and by late in the day the Sheriffs’ water was turned back on, pending an investigation. Darcy Sheriff suffers from a medical condition that exempts the home from the shut-off. Darcy Sheriff told Wisconsin Reporter that the city is demanding a medical form proving her infirmity within 21 days or the utility will shut off the water again.

Audrey Parker was not so lucky. As of late Wednesday, the 81-year-old great-grandmother was still without city water.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: baraboo; health; rf; smartmeter; water

1 posted on 07/11/2013 6:06:50 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

Update on smart meter controversy in Baraboo

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off,this Wisconsin interest ping list.


2 posted on 07/11/2013 6:07:53 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
We had the option to have our water heater turned off from midnight to 4 AM. Got a $4 credit every month. $48 is two weeks of groceries for me.

Not everything new is bad.

3 posted on 07/11/2013 6:10:08 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I get the “option” of paying $10 per month to not have the smart meter.


4 posted on 07/11/2013 6:13:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sacajaweau
--the REA co-op in the SW corner of the state started doing that with a clock on the waterheater fifty-some years ago--the clients learned to game it by turning the clock ahead.

--when the users started gaming it by turning the clock ahead, they first went to a clock that the customer couldn't reset--as the technology became available it went to a radio signal---

5 posted on 07/11/2013 6:15:51 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If I had the money, I’d send Mrs. Parker some solar panels and have someone install them for her!

Then I’d have a well driller dig her a well and a get someone to put a septic tank in.

Then she can tell the politicians to do something useful instead of harassing citizens.

I see a very clean broom sweeping in the next election.


6 posted on 07/11/2013 6:17:07 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m on a private well, so no meters. However, I love the smart meters on my gas and electric service. It saves me from clunky workers tramping through my garden, crushing my flowers under their boots. It also relieves me from liability, should they tumble down the rocky slope behind my house.


7 posted on 07/11/2013 6:17:44 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

So, denial of service, the easy way out. Hell, the other meter was in for years, you can’t sacrifice for a few years for the sake of the elderly. I wouldn’t buy your water just based on that alone. There are ways around it. Might cost some money to haul water to a cistern and a pump to the house, then guess what, you are now out of their system till they decide yours is a health hazard.


8 posted on 07/11/2013 6:19:29 AM PDT by wita
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Did they kill analog TV for this, to make room on the frequency bandwidth for their smart grid?


9 posted on 07/11/2013 6:21:40 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: wita
Privacy on the Smart Grid Here is a good article from the IEEE that shows how Smart Meters can monitor your useage and even see what appliances you are using. Privacy on the Smart Grid
10 posted on 07/11/2013 6:29:14 AM PDT by RBW in PA
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To: PATRIOT1876; wita

If it’s like many municipalities it is illegal to have a septic system and a well and/or cistern. Citizens are required to use city pumped water and sewer. We have both a well and cistern on our property and we are prohibited from using them. We are also required to pay for refuse service. Also once water, sewer, or electric is shut off the resident will be referred to the health department, who will condemn the house until service is restored. They have it all tied up into a neat little package don’t they?


11 posted on 07/11/2013 6:29:38 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Sacajaweau
We had the option to have our water heater turned off from midnight to 4 AM. Got a $4 credit every month. $48 is two weeks of groceries for me. Not everything new is bad.

How in the world does turning off your water service from midnight to 4AM help the utility in any way, unless everyones water is shut off? The feed lines continue to be pressurized. The equipment is running. There is very little usage in those hours to begin with.

12 posted on 07/11/2013 6:29:56 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

-—— you get the smart meter or they shut you down———

Which is as it should be.

They sell, you buy. Don’t like the product, do without.


13 posted on 07/11/2013 6:32:24 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: SampleMan

water HEATER


14 posted on 07/11/2013 6:32:37 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: SampleMan

The “Heater” was turned off....the electric flow that keeps it hot. Geez....


15 posted on 07/11/2013 6:33:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: wita

The real goal is to eventually be able to turn off your heat or air conditioning automatically. This allows the destruction of our power production capacity - wind generators (the wind) are unreliable and will be all we have. Ready to cook or freeze in your home? At least your TV will work - got to have your alphabet propaganda - er - news.


16 posted on 07/11/2013 6:33:18 AM PDT by TStro (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.)
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To: SampleMan

not the water service
the HOT WATER HEATER
it saves electricity, not water


17 posted on 07/11/2013 6:36:26 AM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq (Teresa Davis)
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To: RBW in PA

“The first is a smart grid variation on a technique that’s already used to protect private information collected for health care databases or by Internet services like Google and Amazon”

Such statements have bogus written large. Health care data bases are a huge problem as we speak. Government can get their hands on any data it desires by virtue of the large hammer it is able to wield, called blackmail, illegal in any circle other than government.

As to Google and Amazon, two of the worst offenders IMHO.


18 posted on 07/11/2013 6:41:49 AM PDT by wita
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To: TStro

Heat or A/C? Gotta think bigger and badder than that. Even in the winter in a lot of places, you’ll be far worse off when They turn off your refrigerator during a “national emergency” when they need people to get back in line.


19 posted on 07/11/2013 6:41:50 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
J. Froehlich, E. Larson, S. Gupta, G. Cohn, M. Reynolds, and S. Patel, "Disaggregated End-Use Energy Sensing for the Smart Grid", IEEE Pervasive Computing, Special Issue on Smart Energy Systems, vol. 10, no. 1, January 2011, pp. 28-39.

A quote from a friend about the above paper reference:

"The really amazing thing is that similar technology can be used for gas and water use, but requires a low cost (less than $50) but high bandwidth (essentially acoustic) pressure/flow sensor be installed. Something you may get with smart gas and water meters. They can detect a single dripping faucet or leaking toilet (and tell you which one) or give you a monthly total water use from a shower from ONE sensor on the water meter. F****** magic.. actually just very good time and frequency domain analysis, but still almost unreal."

In short this paper discusses how any electric utility supplied services to a residence can be analyzed at a very atomic level of operation. The comments also show how this is applicable to gas and water utility services too.

In addition, the head of Belkin (the company who purchased and is commercializing the technology) is a green fascist. He SPECIFICALLY wants to use the information to change and enforce behavior.

The product, now released, is called Belkin Echo. The launch customer is the US government.

You can have a smart meter installed, but just remember that another piece of your privacy is gone - and probably your control of your residence (see previous FReeper posts on new EPA refrigerator green program).

20 posted on 07/11/2013 6:44:59 AM PDT by 103198 (It's the metadata stupid...)
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To: 103198

Is it possible to shield the meter so they can’t operate it remotely?


21 posted on 07/11/2013 6:47:40 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

seems you could just wrap the meter in tin foil and ground it. Gets rid of the radio wave issues if that’s what’s bothering you.

Of course the invasion of privacy issue is something else. Best to install solar panels and get off the grid entirely

I will be moving further out to the country to do just that.


22 posted on 07/11/2013 6:48:29 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Sacajaweau
Not everything new is bad.

Until the day some czar decrees your water heater will shut down between 7AM and 10:30 PM because the UN reports global CO2 levels rising too high.


23 posted on 07/11/2013 6:51:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: hal ogen
If they use RF connectivity - yes. If they connect through their grid connection - no.

Although if they use RF connectivity and it doesn't work, a utility will probably send a person out to the meter to fix the problem. Depending on the laws of the community you are in, there could be a fine associated with "tampering" with a smart meter.

24 posted on 07/11/2013 6:52:57 AM PDT by 103198 (It's the metadata stupid...)
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To: bert
They sell, you buy. Don’t like the product, do without.

Electric is a Public Utility. Not quite a Free Market product a la Pepsi or Toyota.


25 posted on 07/11/2013 6:53:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: afraidfortherepublic

He should apply for a grant and put up a bird blender! And festoon his house with solar panels.


26 posted on 07/11/2013 6:53:36 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: John O

True that. If you can’t find a way to block or jam a wifi signal, you just aren’t trying.


27 posted on 07/11/2013 6:54:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 103198
The reference for the EPA refrigerator post is .http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3039247/post.
28 posted on 07/11/2013 6:56:06 AM PDT by 103198 (It's the metadata stupid...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
As I get older, I have learned to pick my fights.

I think the smart meter makes a lot of sense. My dogs don't much like the meter reader and I had to remodel part of my new deck after he whined about the position of the handrail.

29 posted on 07/11/2013 6:56:36 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: John O

I’ve recently received word that my 72 yo cousin (whom the entire family thinks is eccentric) has done just that (wrapped her meter in tin foil, as well as her phone). She thinks people (?) are spying on her.

Actually, her younger brother IS spying on her, but that is because he is her legal guardian. Most of the family has written her off as ‘nuts’, but I remember that her late father (who was considered ‘wise’ by the same family) used to listen to Art Bell all night.

The apple does not fall far...


30 posted on 07/11/2013 7:12:31 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The smart meter can also be used to control any of your modern smart appliances, heat and air. It can also be used to brown/black out individual users.


31 posted on 07/11/2013 7:14:27 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Baraboo!


32 posted on 07/11/2013 7:20:03 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Sacajaweau
Missed the "heater" part obviously. That certainly makes more sense.

So they pay you, so that they can remotely turn off your hot water heater, OK.

I'm a little surprised that they find that cost effective, as that is such a low use time of day to begin with. Do they pay anything for going old school and just having a timer at your residence that you can override when needed, and turn off completely when you are gone for a few days?


33 posted on 07/11/2013 7:42:47 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: All

First - these don’t sound like smart meters, just AMR’s (Automatic Meter Readers). Smart meters are bidirectional - that is, not only do they record and transmit electric usage but the can also send signals to the household to remotely control appliances. It’s this remote control capability that people should be concerned with.

Second, I’ve noticed over the years that the meter is quick to react to increased electric usage - the little wheels spin up very quickly - but they are slow to spin back down. That means they record usage that doesn’t really occur. They cheat you out of a few pennies every time you turn off an appliance!

What I would like to see is some enterprising person develop an isolating transformer or capacitor that would mask usage by filtering the spikes and smoothing out the signal that the meters “see”.


34 posted on 07/11/2013 8:16:32 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“It’s none of the city’s business when I’m using water”

Guess what sweetie?

They will know if you’re using water by reading the meter.

Another bunch of tinfoil hat crap IMO.

Most of those who gin up all of the myths and fearmonger these meters are the now displaced meter readers.


35 posted on 07/11/2013 8:22:36 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“I’m on a private well, so no meters. However, I love the smart meters on my gas and electric service. It saves me from clunky workers tramping through my garden, crushing my flowers under their boots. It also relieves me from liability, should they tumble down the rocky slope behind my house.”

They still have to access the meters, and as far as the gas meter it has to be inspected for leaks on a routine basis per state and federal guidlines even with the ERT installed.

And I always try and watch where I step to keep from damaging plants while going up to the meters.


36 posted on 07/11/2013 8:32:14 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: GBA

No.


37 posted on 07/11/2013 8:33:09 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: SampleMan

He’s talking about the water heater, not the entire service.


38 posted on 07/11/2013 8:43:23 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

” I love the smart meters on my gas and electric service.”

Just how much are you going to love them when you start getting the cost of your energy being priced out by the time of day that you use it. Want to do your laundry during the day will cost you more than it will if you stay up and do it after midnight. Then there’s the new appliances you will buy to replace your old ones that will even take that option away from you because the utility will just “turn them off” so you can’t use them except when “they say you can.” Want to use your A/C during the day when it’s really hot? Not if they say you can’t. My advice to you is that if you have fairly old appliances, replace them now before the “new models” come out. At the end of the day, there will be so much RF energy around your house it will be like one big microwave as big brother utilities check your every move with respect to your use of water, electricity and gas. And if you put in solar panels to provide for your own needs, look for them to tax you for “being off their grid.” Want to put down a well? Well most places won’t let you do it because after all the water under your property doesn’t belong to you anymore. Welcome to 1984, it just came later than Orwell predicted. Coming soon, they will want to have a means to know when you have sex!


39 posted on 07/11/2013 8:45:37 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Sacajaweau
"We had the option to have our water heater turned off from midnight to 4 AM."

That's strange. Why would they want to reduce load during NON-peak hours? I am being paid $40 per season so my A/C can be cut to 50% duty cycle between 2-6 PM on weekdays during very high peak loads on the grid in the summer. They did it by installing a pager controlled switch between my thermostat and compressor contactor--easily bypassable by the way.

40 posted on 07/11/2013 8:50:28 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: vette6387

They have been pricing my electricity by time of day for 27 years. At one time I had the option to opt in, or out, of this program. I just let stand what the homeowner before me did.

I do so little wash (just 2 of us) and do it at all kinds of crazy times of day, or night, that it doesn’t really matter. I have an extra large machine, so it’s generally 2 loads per week. 3 at the most.

But, I was in danger of a lawsuit from a meter reader slipping down a rocky hillside to read my meter, so I’m happy to have them read it from the street.


41 posted on 07/11/2013 10:24:25 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If I had an indoor garden (caugh caugh!) I could understand being opposed to a meter that can record a large and consistent electrical load change during the same 12 hour period each day. Otherwise, I don’t really understand the opposition to these meters, other than not wanting big brother collecting any more information than he already is.

But then, the utilities already know how much electricity per quarter you use versus your neighbors, so the electrical load of your indoor garden would still stand out next to your neighbor’s, even if they leaves all of their lights and televisions on 24/7.

That said, if the meters are to help the utility company cut costs, I think they should be offering a monthly opt-in credit, rather than an opt-out charge.


42 posted on 07/11/2013 1:01:22 PM PDT by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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