Skip to comments.Report: Railway head says train in Canada tampered with
Posted on 07/09/2013 7:43:28 AM PDT by mandaladon
CNN) -- The chairman of the company whose driverless train barreled into the small Quebec town of Lac-Megantic and unleashed a deadly inferno told a Montreal newspaper he believes it had been tampered with. "We have evidence of this," Ed Burkhardt said in an interview published by the Montreal Gazette. "But this is an item that needs further investigation. We need to talk to some people we believe to have knowledge of this." The company did not immediately return phone calls from CNN about the report. Burkhardt is the chief executive officer and president of Rail World, the parent company of the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway, the operator of the derailed train. Seventy-two tanker cars carrying crude oil jumped the track early Saturday, setting off a huge fireball. At least 13 people are dead and 37 are missing. Officials in the town 130 miles east of Montreal say some were likely vaporized by the sheer intensity of the blaze, which burned for 36 hours.
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I’ve read that the firefighters turned OFF the lead engine, which was providing power to the air brakes.
Whether that’s the “tampering” he’s referring to , I don’t know.
All four wouldn't come unlocked by themselves.
It is clearly in the interest of the railroad to not bear responsibility for this event. So rather than it being a case of something simple - like the engineer neglecting to properly secure his train - they need to find some other outside factor.
It’s already being reported that firemen responding to a fire in one of the locomotives earlier in the night shut down the engine on that locomotive. It was running to maintain brake pressure on the air brakes on the train and the pressure bled off over time. The train rolled into town after that. There’s another thread posted earlier with details.
Exactly. It may well be that the train was tampered with, but I’m sure as h*ll not going to believe it just because the chairman of the railroad says it is so.
It would appear his intention was to inform the people and the government so that precautions could be taken to prevent such an incident from occurring.
What the BRAIN DEAD STUPID JACK@SS didn't realize is that it was IMPOSSIBLE to solve this problem, and all he accomplished was to notify terrorists of a ripe easy target.
I said at the time of the broadcast "That fool needs to be fired, because he doesn't understand that he has just handed terrorists an effective weapon."
Again, any countermeasures would be so costly or ineffective as to be impossible, so in effect all Brian Ross had done is to endanger the public by spreading knowledge of a security weakness.
Would not surprise me.
I remember right after the Boston Marathon bombings terror incident, they was I think a threat against an Amtrack train.
Opponents of building the Keystone XL Pipeline often cite safety and environmental hazards of pipelines, but I think hauling oil by rail or truck would seem to be far more hazardous.
Plus the pipeline systems around now are much better built for safety.
I recall this ABC News story. I remember that the thing that concerned me was how easy it would be to access all the various chemical plants around the country. If this had been a train carrying tankers of chorine gas, it could have been a lot worse.
Or by ship(Exxon Valdez).
Please do look for the thread if you can. Thank-you.
An extremist group called 350 Maine set up a blockade 2 weeks ago - Maine is next door to Quebec.
This makes no sense to me.
As I understand it, the air brakes require air pressure TO DISENGAGE THE BRAKE PADS, so that any leak or loss of pressure would always lock up the brakes by design, for safety reasons.
So I think sabotage is very likely, eh ?
Funny thing about air brakes is that without air pressure the brakes are fully applied.
that is not how it works. Air Brakes use air to open the brakes, without air they are closed. Standard design for a 150 years.
Go to the other thread (link posted above) and read the replies. It’s all explained pretty well there.
“Tampered with?” Sounds more like sabotage to me.
Here's the story I read.
so firefighters shut off the engine to stop the flames from spreading. That slowly disengaged the air brakes,
That DOES seem wrong, doesn't it?
40 years ago that nearly happened in Denver.
They had a run-away with a tanker full of chemicals which would have killed at least 10k.
Friend at Shell Chemical told me about it.
Info by FReeper Mycroft Holmes:
But that system is not intended to hold the train indefinitely. It is designed to give the train operators time to set each hand brake on each train car.
That little stunt cost him his job at NBC, but ABC stupidly hired the Jack@ss.
The world would be a better place if people like Brian Ross weren't allowed to create "news."
So “bleeding off” would of applied the brakes unless they were manually overridden.
Read the other thread (link posted above) it explains how it happened.
Are the cars interconnected, brake-wise?
I would think so.
Can a leak in one place drain the reservoirs of ALL cars?
I don't know.
Seems like the engine should CHARGE all reservoirs, but not be able to DISCHARGE them.
But I'm no train guy (in case that's not obvious).
It’s a real danger, but workable solutions do not lend themselves to this problem.
Pointing out how they can be exploited by terrorists is reckless endangerment in my opinion.
I have ceased to give the MSM any benefit of the doubt. Until solidly proven
otherwise I will assume that Brian Ross and ABC intended to assist terrorists.
The main air supply, that pressures up the reserve tank, as well as holds the brakes open, is connected. Loss of this pressure supply line, closes the brakes, depending on each individual car to hold its own brakes for a time sufficient to apply the hand brakes.
Can a leak in one place drain the reservoirs of ALL cars?
They don't need to all be drained, just enough of them to partially relieve enough pressure. Some were still holding; there was reports of screaming wheels and glowing red brakes.
This could have been sabotage by anti-domestic energy liberals who sabotage trucks and equipment in the United States and Canada regularly.
It is extremely common.
The initial fire between Nantes and Lac-Mégantic that was put out before the train rolled away and caused a far worse fire might have been sabotage. But the reasons this became such a huge disaster really looks like incompetence.
Or by diesign
I defer to y’all who know way more than I do about the subject.
That implies that the air brakes alone should NOT be used to "park" the train.
If you're going to walk away, you should put on hand brakes on a majority of cars, I would think.
IN which case, there is no need to keep the engine running, is there? Freezing is not a threat in July.
No worries, when they find the guy he will spend a few years in the looney bin and then be let out on good behavior, you know like the bus head chopper off-er....
Without a running locomotive, hand brakes are required.
63.10.3 Securing a Train or Portion Of Train Without
See Alaskan railroad operating manual in link 41
That is similar to the way that over-the-road, 18-wheelers work. Lose air pressure and the brakes go on. You need air pressure to release the brakes. Springs lock the brakes if there is not enough continuous pressure to keep them unlocked.
That probably isn’t that far from the truth.
With air brake 2.0, Westinghouse turned things around. Air pressure kept the brakes off. The engineer reduced pressure to put the brakes on. This built-in safeguard meant a loss of pressure would stop the train automatically. That applied to leakage and to the situation where cars came unhitched: Loose cars would brake to a stop. The system went into use in 1872 on the Pennsylvania Railroad.
Trains do not use springs to close. They use an on-board air tank on each car. It will eventually bleed down.
Better call Saul!
You can still today go to McMaster-Carr supply and buy a train de-railer that bolts on to the track in about 30 seconds that will lift and throw the lead car off the rail.
I can't believe that they would sell that these days, not that you couldn't build one with a bridgeport and a welder, but still...
Is Burkhardt French? There’s room for a resident idiot in this story. The various stories all make it sound like the engines lost all their cars which rolled into town by them selves. But I saw video late yesterday of the engines and numerous cars still connected to them. Someone had to manually disconnect a car coupling in the middle of the car line. No other way for that to happen except by direct action. They also had to manually disconnect the air line between the same two cars. Note that the air lines are, by themselves, strong enough to keep cars from rolling away on a slight slope. The engines were parked for the night meaning the air line was most likely dumped such that each car was braking itself. Getting those cars rolling would require climbing up each car and manually cranking off the brake wheel.
When I was in high school one of my occasional jobs was loading individual box cars. Moving them by hand required cranking off the manual brake wheel, jacking the car, then re-setting the brakes to make sure the car was still there next day.
There is no freeking way this was not sabotage. Just find out who would have known the train frequently stops on a slight slope. Note also that if the brakes on the cars weren’t holding it would have been very difficult to uncouple two cars. Pull pressure on the coupling locks it tightly in place-—it’s not like a suicide latch or pelican hook which disconnect with slight pressure. From the pics of the area it looks to me like the perpetrator picked a spot far enough down the car line to be out of sight of the engine area.