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Hope fading for 40 missing in Quebec train disaster, officials confirm five dead
National Post ^ | July 7, 2013 | Graeme Hamilton

Posted on 07/07/2013 3:19:54 PM PDT by Squawk 8888

LAC-MEGANTIC, Que. — About 40 people are considered missing after the spectacular blaze and explosions that razed much of Lac-Megantic, increasing the likelihood that the number of fatalities could soar from the current official death toll of five.

“I can tell you that we have met a lot of people….and what I can tell you is that about 40 people are considered missing,” Quebec provincial police Lt. Michel Brunet told a news conference.

“We have to be careful with that number because it could go up or down.”

It is the first time police have gone public with an estimate since the derailment of a train carrying crude oil triggered Saturday morning’s fatal events.

Brunet said two bodies were found overnight and another two on Sunday morning. The first body was discovered Saturday.

Police say a higher death toll is inevitable.

About 30 buildings were destroyed after tanker cars laden with oil caught fire shortly after 1 a.m. One of them is the Musi-Cafe bar where dozens of people were enjoying themselves in the wee hours of a glorious summer night. Most of the missing are believed to have been at the bar.

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TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: lacmegantic; quebec; train
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To: okie01

They do lock up initially (like when a coupling fails or opens on a moving train), but not forever.


41 posted on 07/07/2013 7:40:31 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: headstamp 2
Just a week or two ago:


42 posted on 07/07/2013 7:41:58 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: headstamp 2; Paladin2
They do lock up initially (like when a coupling fails or opens on a moving train), but not forever.

I stand corrected.

43 posted on 07/07/2013 7:45:56 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Paladin2

When I see stupid people standing across a railroad track, I hope that the train comes through really fast. They look like miniature bowling pins.


44 posted on 07/07/2013 7:46:05 PM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Nothing so far. Mind you, if it was terrorism or vandalism they’d keep quiet to avoid letting on how easy it would be.


45 posted on 07/07/2013 7:49:17 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Paladin2
According to the railway, the train’s locomotive was “shut down subsequent to the departure of the engineer,” depriving the train’s air brakes of the power needed to keep the load from careening downhill."

While I confess that I don't know the mechanics of train air brakes, I thought that a positive pressure released the brakes and that if there were no pressure (as would be the case if the engine's compressor was NOT running), the brakes would be locked.

I'm assuming that this was a fail-safe system designed to stop cars from rolling if they got disconnected from the rest of the train.

46 posted on 07/07/2013 7:50:17 PM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: Paladin2
"On Thursday June 27th, 350 Maine and Earth First members blocked a train carrying 70,000 barrels of "fracked" crude oil. Dozens of people joined the action, and six people were arrested. The action was under the umbrella of Fearless Summer, a series of direct actions around the nation aimed at highlighting extreme energy extraction. "

FEARLESS SUMMER:

"Over the past few years we’ve witnessed a rising tide of courage from the frontlines; communities from the pinewoods of East Texas to the hollers of West Virginia have come together to defend the land and the people from the ravages of extreme energy. Yet with every new frack-well drilled, pipeline laid, and mountain blasted, the extraction industry pushes our planet closer to irreversible tipping points.

But now we are coming together as a movement to push back.

For too long we have struggled separately and we are running out of time. If we are going to reclaim our future, we must begin to speak with one voice. That’s why we are calling for the national movement against extreme energy to join in a summer of coordinated action.

As this industry continues to escalate its attack of life on earth, we must respond by asserting our dignity and escalating our action for a livable future. In the face of unfathomable ecological destruction and looming runaway climate change, we must take the kind of bold action that is necessary to save the planet. We must all draw our lines in the sand. We must face our fears together. We must take our future fearlessly into our hands and change business as usual."

47 posted on 07/07/2013 7:51:02 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: meyer

It’ll be interesting to see where the locomotive train air/brake brake lever allegedly was set after the locos went through town and stopped.


48 posted on 07/07/2013 7:53:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
"As this industry continues to escalate its attack of life on earth, we must respond by asserting our dignity and escalating our action for a livable future. In the face of unfathomable ecological destruction and looming runaway climate change, we must take the kind of bold action that is necessary to save the planet. We must all draw our lines in the sand. We must face our fears together. We must take our future fearlessly into our hands and change business as usual."

Translation: We must all be dumb asses. We must face our idiocy together. We must take the world's future fearlessly into our own hands and turn it FUBAR.

49 posted on 07/07/2013 7:58:49 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: meyer
I suppose that all of the train's equipment will have to be somehow evaluated for brake system condition.

I still think it's questionable to leave ~$8,000,000 of hazardous material next to the side of a road without adult supervision. It should be in a more secure place when parked at night.

50 posted on 07/07/2013 7:59:27 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: meyer
"I'm assuming that this was a fail-safe system designed to stop cars from rolling if they got disconnected from the rest of the train. "

Just where this disconnection happened and at what speed could be a big part of the investigation.

If the train came through town at 40 to 50 mph and the disconnection happened right in town, the pile up could easily happen before the tail part of the train stopped.

They (including maybe the MMA engineer - who was already in town) pulled some 13 intact tank cars off the rear of the train and away from the fire at some point shortly after the event.

51 posted on 07/07/2013 8:06:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
Here's one of the "quotes":

""Sometime after (the first conductor left), the train got loose," said McGonigle, who is vice-president of marketing for The Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway. "It travelled under its own inertia to the centre of the town."

The locomotive portion of the 73-car train actually detached half a mile outside of the small town, he added, but the cars carrying the oil kept on rolling. "

Another: "The detached back end of the train remains on the tracks, about 11 kilometres outside of Lac-Mégantic."

This makes no sense to me unless the locos derailed and got out of the way. If so, there'd be pics of wrecked locomotives.

52 posted on 07/07/2013 8:59:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Eva

The building collapse in Bangladesh got more coverage than this does, and Canada is right next door to us! It is bizarre.


53 posted on 07/07/2013 8:59:32 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Paladin2
Canada TSB pic of loco inspection:


54 posted on 07/07/2013 9:03:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Thrownatbirth

If I had never lived back East I would never believe people would go to a nightclub that close to the railroad tracks.

The Musi-Cafe looked better than a lot of bars Old Ben partied at in his youth. That video though is just plain spooky in light of what happened.


55 posted on 07/07/2013 9:34:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Paladin2; mhking

Just d-mn


56 posted on 07/07/2013 9:36:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: George from New England
All day Sunday, not a mention in the MSM.

It's stunning to see how useless the American media has become. The left-wing political bias is one thing, but to virtually ignore a story like this is absurd. It's like there's a conspiracy or something. This story is every bit as interesting and important as the San Francisco plane crash, but the American media won't cover Canada. I guarantee you the Canadian media isn't ignoring the plane crash story like the American media is ignoring the oil train explosion.

57 posted on 07/07/2013 11:08:19 PM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: Squawk 8888

Just... WOW.


58 posted on 07/08/2013 1:28:53 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Paladin2
"Lauzon, the fire chief, said firefighters in a nearby community were called to a locomotive blaze on the same train a few hours before the derailment. Lauzon said he could not provide additional details about that fire since it was in another jurisdiction. McGonigle confirmed the fire department showed up after the first engineer tied up and went to a local hotel. Someone later reported a fire.

“We know that one of our employees from our engineering department showed up at the same time to assist the fire department. Exactly what they did is being investigated so the engineer wasn’t the last man to touch that train, we know that, but we’re not sure what happened,” McGonigle said.

McGonigle said there was no reason to suspect any criminal or terror-related activity. "

59 posted on 07/08/2013 6:00:41 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

“I still think it’s questionable to leave ~$8,000,000 of hazardous material next to the side of a road without adult supervision. It should be in a more secure place when parked at night.”

I understand your point. However, where do you park a train that is a mile long? 72 cars x 75’ long each, plus 3-4 engines = approx. 5700 feet.


60 posted on 07/08/2013 7:13:19 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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