The "automatic reward" is the part of the argument that I say is socialist becasue nobody wants these people to steal the "rewards" of government entitlements.
I said from the start that I think the borders should be secure. I also believe that if someone like Palin became who can speak to the American people like Reagan did, stood up and ran for President, I think alot of these people would flock to that person just like they did with Reagan.
As far a "calling people on this forum brown shirts", damn I've been called and seen a lot of others called a lot worse things than that on this forum. Kind of a double standard it seems to me. I've seen it before. When I don't tow the party line because of what I consider to be good reasons, I'm called a troll, an operative of the Left, and everything else in between. Shoot first and ask questions later.
Makes us look bad. I'm not saying everyone here is like that but sometimes on these kinds of threads with these kinds of issues that people feel so emotional about, sometimes it starts to look like a Hannity "Boiling Point" session rather than a reasoned and thoughtful debate.
And its not like I really meant to get in front of some kind of FR firing squad. That's what I meant by I wasn't sure if I should say anything. But I never see anything questioning the amnesty "party line" so to speak and I thought it might be helpful to inject another thoughtful point of view if for nothing else maybe to give some pause to reflect.
“..Don’t know if it was worth it....”
Well, it’s a discussion forum, and opinions put forth can change minds, so of course it’s worth it.
“...I said from the start that I think the borders should be secure. Palin...just like they did with Reagan.”
OK, valid, maybe. I’ll concede that LEGAL immigrants might. We’re not talking about legal immigrants, though. We’re talking mainly about people who don’t give a flying rat’s ass about the same things you and I care about. YOU wouldn’t dance across the border into someone else’s country and demand free meds, free food, instant benefits, etc., and then also demand that they recognize your “right: to do so.
“..As far a “calling people on this forum brown shirts”, damn I’ve been called and seen a lot of others called a lot worse things than that on this forum. ..”
So have I. Doesn’t make it right. I believe in courtesy and decency right up to the point where they other stops deserving it. I’m saying don’t perpetuate it. Debate and discussion go NOWHERE the minute one side or the other starts with the “brown-shirt-and-worse” dialogue.
We can agree to disagree. We’re intelligent, rational human beings. Leave the baiting to the libs - it’s what they do.
“...And its not like I really meant to get in front of some kind of FR firing squad. ...”
Like anything else, when you put forth an opinion on an emotional issue, you’ve got to expect emotional reactions from some folks, then be ready to defend your opinion/position with facts. People aren’t seeing your viewpoint, is all, and they’re letting you know in no uncertain terms.
You yourself said that’s what makes this country great - to be able to disagree. Well, they’re disagreeing...and it comes in various flavors...we ALL got that at one time or another, brother. You sure as hell ain’t alone!!
Like I said to Lakeshark; We’ve ALL had to don the flame-retardant suit at one time or another.
Think of it this way...a little fire singeing the gluteous maximii makes a better man outta ya!!!
Carry on.