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DOJ: Governments can punish homeschoolers
http://www.wnd.com ^ | junly 2, 2013 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 07/03/2013 2:01:46 PM PDT by lowbridge

The U.S. Department of Justice has revealed in a court filing it agrees with the philosophy of the German government that bureaucrats can punish homeschooling parents.

The agency contended parental rights to keep children free from instruction that violates faith essentially are negligible when the government’s goal is an “open society.”

The arguments were made in a pleading before the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that urges the judges to send a German homeschooling family, the Romeikes, back to Germany where members likely would face persecution.

“The goal in Germany is for an ‘open, pluralistic society,’” wrote the government’s pleading, signed by Senior Litigation Counsel Robert N. Markle in Washington.

German law, he argued, requires attendance at government schools, and punishment is levied against anyone failing to comply, even due to religious objections.

His argument to the appellate court cited a German court decision, which stated: “The general public has a justified interest in counteracting the development of religiously or philosophically motivated ‘parallel societies’ and in integrating minorities in this area. Integration does not only require that the majority of the population does not exclude religious or ideological minorities, but, in fact, that these minorities do not segregate themselves and that they do not close themselves off to a dialogue with dissenters and people of other beliefs. Dialogue with such minorities is an enrichment for an open pluralistic society. The learning and practicing of this in the sense of experienced tolerance is an important lesson right from the elementary school stage. The presence of a broad spectrum of convictions in a classroom can sustainably develop the ability of all pupils in being tolerant and exercising the dialogue that is a basic requirement of democratic decision-making process.”

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1 posted on 07/03/2013 2:01:46 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

The entire Justice department from that bastard Holder on down is in rebellion against the First Amendment.

This has got to stop.

This entire administration has to go - NOW.


2 posted on 07/03/2013 2:04:15 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: lowbridge

Citizens can punish the government, too.


3 posted on 07/03/2013 2:05:15 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: ZULU

Tomorrow would be more fitting.


4 posted on 07/03/2013 2:05:42 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: lowbridge

“government’s goal is an “open society.” “

That’s NOT the purpose of government.


5 posted on 07/03/2013 2:06:28 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: lowbridge

Eric Holder should spend the rest of his life in a federal penitentiary.


6 posted on 07/03/2013 2:06:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: Arm_Bears

“Citizens can punish the government, too.”

I think all those guns sales and preppings have been towards that goal.


7 posted on 07/03/2013 2:06:56 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: lowbridge

Speechless. And I home educated my kids for 13 years.


8 posted on 07/03/2013 2:07:10 PM PDT by Boxsford (God Is.)
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To: Boxsford

totalitarian insanity.... third world dictator


9 posted on 07/03/2013 2:08:35 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: lowbridge

And Egypt just showed us the people can punish their tyrant leaders.


10 posted on 07/03/2013 2:08:44 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: lowbridge

It would not surprise me if the DO”J” burnt them
alive in their homes and their schools all across
America — the Holder way(TM).


11 posted on 07/03/2013 2:09:07 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: lowbridge

Jew vill fit in zhe box ve hav provided or jew vill be DESTRRROYED!

And the German government said it similarly.


12 posted on 07/03/2013 2:09:10 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: lowbridge
The literal truth, to our indelible national shame :


             

13 posted on 07/03/2013 2:09:15 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: lowbridge

No sequester at the Department of Religious Persecution.


14 posted on 07/03/2013 2:09:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Diogenesis

Holder has some experience in that area.
He was the guy responsible for Waco.


15 posted on 07/03/2013 2:10:55 PM PDT by Texas resident (Watch the other hand.)
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To: Diogenesis
It would not surprise me if the DO”J” burnt them alive in their homes and their schools all across America — the Holder way(TM).

Poignant criticism — good reference to Waco, TX.

16 posted on 07/03/2013 2:15:18 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: lowbridge
“The goal in Germany is for an ‘open, pluralistic society,"

Doesn't that interfere with the muslim education goals in Germany?

17 posted on 07/03/2013 2:18:13 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: lowbridge

This was Holder's doing, so he has experience wrangling people out of the country.

18 posted on 07/03/2013 2:22:03 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: Slyfox

This is not Germany! Why do you think this family is here?
Will this precedent affect US home schoolers!
So the will of the US Government is to persecute those that want freewill and come here to have basic freedom!
A sad state of affairs!


19 posted on 07/03/2013 2:22:58 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: lowbridge

Only one thought comes to mind for me.

A song by the band Queensryche titled “Revolution Calling”....


20 posted on 07/03/2013 2:22:59 PM PDT by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: lowbridge

Yeah, it seemed like such a good idea to put education under federal oversight.


21 posted on 07/03/2013 2:26:12 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Arm_Bears

The government is afraid of us because they can not control us. Our independence is the biggest threat to the ruling class. They (FUBARack) are trying to c0ntrol us now by demoralizing us through stress: enabling Muslim terrorists, spying on our allies, devaluing our currency, increasing the cost of living, forcing us to tolerate homosexuality, leaving the border open, giving benefits to illegal aliens (illegal immigration is a federal crime), they benefit evil and have a zero tolerance policy toward those of us who show any competence or self sufficiency like gun owners, property owners, business owners. It’s all an effort to stress us into submission. They can’t control us constitutionally but they know they can control us through stress. If we don’t stand up to them now we will lose our country forever. And there is nowhere safe left to defect to.


22 posted on 07/03/2013 2:26:43 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com (I Won't Go Underground http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wema3CNqzvg)
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To: Conserev1
We have a president who is forcing his will on all of us.

Our Founders fought to rid the colonies from the will of King George III.

George is a piker compared to Obama.

23 posted on 07/03/2013 2:28:11 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I would instead like to see him tried and executed for treason.


24 posted on 07/03/2013 2:31:28 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: ZULU

If this doesn’t send a chill down your spine, nothing will.


25 posted on 07/03/2013 2:31:36 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: lowbridge

DOJ targeting homeschooling,,as predicted


26 posted on 07/03/2013 2:37:37 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: lowbridge

Hey idiot Holder - we’re not in Germany.


27 posted on 07/03/2013 2:38:31 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: ZULU

“The entire Justice department from that bastard Holder on down is in rebellion against the First Amendment.”

Just the First Amendment? Hell, the Holder DOJ is against the entire Constitution!


28 posted on 07/03/2013 2:56:13 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: lowbridge
"The presence of a broad spectrum of convictions in a classroom"

Yeah, right. I had no idea what religion even my best friends believed in until I had known them for some time. We never discussed our 'broad spectrum of convictions' in class. Certainly not at the elementary school level.

I call BS on this nonsense.

29 posted on 07/03/2013 2:59:56 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Slyfox

That single picture was the defining moment in my life when I knew for certain my country was gone and at war with those of us who believed in the Constitution.

At that moment, I developed a permanent hatred of all JBTs and the government in general.

Subsequent events have proven me and others right!


30 posted on 07/03/2013 3:09:32 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: WashingtonSource
That will work too, but it's too much to hope for.
31 posted on 07/03/2013 3:18:31 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: ought-six

You are correct. Obama is as legitimate as Morsi.


32 posted on 07/03/2013 3:37:12 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: lowbridge

How surprising is it Eric “the Red” Holder is siding with the forces of state tyranny? Not at all.


33 posted on 07/03/2013 4:11:57 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: lowbridge
The agency contended parental rights to keep children free from instruction that violates faith essentially are negligible when the government’s goal is an “open society.”

This is pure unadulterated tyranny. This has to be grounds for impeachment.

34 posted on 07/03/2013 6:37:35 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: metmom; wintertime; bamahead; traviskicks

This is ominous. They want to punish homeschoolers but exempt public schools from sex abuse lawsuits. Very revealing.


35 posted on 07/31/2013 3:38:54 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of tolerance, life,and peace, and if you don't agree, they'll murder you)
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To: Clintonfatigued; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; adopt4Christ; ...

HOMESCHOOL PING

This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both.

The keyword for the FREE REPUBLIC HOMESCHOOLERS’ FORUM is frhf.

36 posted on 07/31/2013 5:39:15 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: ZULU

“The entire Justice department from that bastard Holder on down is in rebellion against the First Amendment.”

They are to this country what the Bolsheviks were to Russia in 1917; not the original revolution that deposed the Tsar, but the second revolution that year (that executed him).


37 posted on 07/31/2013 7:44:10 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: lowbridge

What’s next, implementation of the Nuremburg laws of 1933? Only this time American Conservative Christian Patriots will be persecuted and sent to the “crasy-ass cracker concentratin’ camps” instead of German Jews!

Mark my words: this is their intention.


38 posted on 07/31/2013 7:49:44 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: lowbridge

“Dialogue with such minorities is an enrichment for an open pluralistic society.”

News flash. When muzzle those minorities by banning religion from schools, it is no longer a “Dialogue”.


39 posted on 07/31/2013 8:01:20 PM PDT by csivils
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To: lowbridge

SOCIALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER...


40 posted on 07/31/2013 8:22:13 PM PDT by Route395
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To: lowbridge

Holder the racist is at it again.


41 posted on 07/31/2013 10:04:04 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: ZULU
The entire Justice department from that bastard Holder on down is in rebellion against the First Amendment.

This has got to stop.

This entire administration has to go - NOW.

Who's willing to go Bowman?

42 posted on 07/31/2013 11:13:26 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: Arm_Bears

Haven’t seen it happen yet.


43 posted on 07/31/2013 11:24:50 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: Diogenesis

The Waco Way.


44 posted on 08/01/2013 12:20:14 AM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: CodeToad

Technically, they are arguing the German govt’s goal is that.


45 posted on 08/01/2013 3:46:13 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: lowbridge

This is ALL about indoctrinating homosexuality to children. It is pure evil at the highest level. Obama and Holder are saying that parents must be compelled to force their children to embrace and participate in the homosexual lifestyle taught at public schoolds. There is no opt out whatsoever.


46 posted on 08/01/2013 5:00:13 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: lowbridge

This was the very reason people colonized this land. And threw off the shackles of tyranny.


47 posted on 08/01/2013 5:06:20 AM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: tickedoffnow

Steppin Wolf - Monster


48 posted on 08/01/2013 5:47:47 AM PDT by vortec94
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Homoindoctrination is simply a vehicle to the “de-Christianization” of the country.

Since homeschooling is, for the most part, about resisting this movement, it makes it a double target.

However, they need to understand, when they start coming to houses to take kids to public schools,

there are going to be a lot of dead government thugs as a result.


49 posted on 08/01/2013 6:29:40 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: wastedyears

There will be plenty of Bowmans if they start taking our kids.


50 posted on 08/01/2013 6:30:15 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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