Posted on 07/01/2013 4:01:36 PM PDT by drewh
Many of those Republicans who are fine with being described as "conservative," would never dream of calling themselves libertarian. By the same token, many of those Democrats would never dream of calling themselves "conservative," but they can live with "libertarian."
As 50 years of history proves to us, libertarianism actually results in more and bigger government.
Broken people, broken lives, broken communities and open borders, do not breed rightwing conservative voters, it breeds more liberal voters.
Social conservatism breeds the conservative voter.
A community that supports or lives social liberalism, votes liberal, not conservative.
As 50 years of history proves to us, libertarianism actually results in more and bigger government.
Ask me, and I will cite hard cold proof of how the opposite of "libertarian" -- that is, "somebody who believes in the principle that people should have complete freedom of thought and action" (which, by the way, is the state that God Himself bequeathed us, along with His greatest gift, Jesus).
Ansell, my FRiend, I can cite more than one poignanty example of how the opposite of "libertarian" has increased sloth, envy, promiscuity, divorce, moral decline, not to mention jobs, prosperity, and employment.
When you FORGET libertarian principle, you have a government that has taken it upon itself to be the dispenser of moral justice and responsiblity such as charity and compassion. In government's hands, those HAVE been used, with the fruits of OUR labor, to propagate all kinds of moral malaise and furthermore, to LEGALLY HALT any actions in our communities to stop them.
Thomas Sowell is a libertarian. Rethink your take.
The illusion is pretty powerful that they're not as small as they actually are, and that we don't outnumber them in spades. Once that illusion is shattered ...
:^)
This agenda breeds liberal voters, not conservative voters and we have 50 years of social, moral, and cultural decay to prove it.
Here is the leftists agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.
Libertarian Party Platform:
Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”, eliminate the Border Patrol and INS.
Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.
Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments full 9 months.
Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.
Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science and marketers can come up with, zero restrictions.
Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.
Military Strength; minimal capabilities.
If Bush had won with a majority, the Republican Revolution would never have happened. If Clinton had won with a majority, the Republican Revolution would never have happened, and Clinton sure as hell would never have been impeached.
Clinton had a pissy little plurality -- fully 57% of the voters opposed him. He won with 43% the first time, and with only 49% the second time. Now you TELL me that Dole and HW would have helped consrvatism had they won?
Not hardly.
The GOP has used and abused the conservatives in its ranks for the past 30 years.
The elite leadership goes on doing its thing while providing lip service to conservative principles and constantly retreating in real terms.
I’ve been involved in the game at my local level part of that time and I’ve seen the political process that Ronald Reagan once described as the “world with its pants down”.
In 1976 Reagan urged his supporters after making that statement to stay with the GOP and they did electing him president in 1980.
But from Bush 41 on its been all downhill for conservatives and the GOP.
Its time for something to give and it may very well be time for the 3rd Party because right now all the GOP leadership has is a thinly veiled or even open contempt for the grassroots who have stood with the GOP-E while they have sold the conservative activists out.
Phony conservative rhetoric and attacks on Obama’s failures are not substitutes for conservative policy.
Mr. Boehner better understand that he cannot pass any kind of “immigration reform” out of the House because then Obama will end up signing amnesty.
THAT IS A LINE IN THE SAND........
Many people who call themselves libertarians subscribe to some views which are, in fact, contrary to what libertarians should stand for because they've fallen for leftist equivocation.
For example, a proper libertarian would recognize that it is important for government to act as a registry for certain things. Many people, businesses, and institutions want to voluntarily provide benefits to people who are in a kind of relationship which has, since time immemorial, been recognized as so significant as to justify its own word: "marriage". Many such people, businesses, and institutions do not wish to provide such benefits for people who are in different kinds of relationships, and a libertarian should recognize their right not to do so. Unfortunately, libertarians fail to realize that
OBAMA WILL WELCOME 20 MILLION ILLEGALS IF JOHN BOEHNER PASSES A BILL OUT OF THE HOUSE TO ‘REFORM IMMIGRATION’ AND YOU CAN KISS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY GOODBYE.....
It's naive to think that conservatives can do it without bringing in some of the fed-up element from dems and independents.
We lost it when Boehner caved and let the federal debt increase. As far as I can see now, it's a matter of survival. That's a huge reason why getting as many invaders out of the US, and keeping them out, is crucial.
When I talk about some sort of working with libertarians, it's because I'm (fingers crossed) hopeful that Rand Paul can do something positive, especially now that he seems a bit more cognizant of conservative issues.
I disagree. I want to watch the GOP to rot. Election after election after election of the GOP trying to out Democrat the Democrats and the selection of the next establishment RINO in line got the GOP where it is.
If the GOP establishment thinks it can expect true conservatives to vote for the “lesser of two evils” is over. The GOP can stick it as far as I'm concerned. They think they can stick their continued bowing to massive spending, the homo agenda, rewarding illegal trespassers, allowing Obamacare to grow, attenuate the numerous Obama lies and impeachable scandals, hiding from a criticism of the continued handouts to parasites, and accept the use of the Constitution as toilet paper. They can't anymore.
Renounce her support of McCain? What are you talking about, Sarah Palin is out there supporting McCain on what issues?
Libertarians are at war with their top enemy, social conservatives, if America loses the fight to remain America, and God-fearing, and conservative, then does it really matter what is left?
BEST REASON to start a new party
GOP legally barred from fighting vote fraud
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/
Democratic National Committee v Republican National Committee
Below note the name - Catherine Engelbrecht - Targeted by FBI, IRS, OSHA, etc. - of True the Vote
Why the GOP won’t challenge vote fraud
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/
Excerpt:
PolitiJim writes for Gulag Bound, November 13, 2012, that during the weekly True the Vote webcast, Catherine Engelbrecht (see her photo below) related a meeting she had with Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC), asking what the GOP would do about voter integrity. The answer?
Nothing. They aren’t legally able to.
Ansell, for example in the case of Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.
UNDERSTAND the the only political platform that can "support" this must also support harsh government force to punish people who won't enable or allow it in their units, their schools, their churches, their adoption agencies -- Surely, Ansell, you can see that the Tradmark Liberterian platform, corrupted and twisted, is the antithesis of what "libertarian" is. I distinguish between the small l libertaian -- Thomas Sowell, Ansell, you must know him as one of the finest minds in politics -- is a small l libertarian.
Big L Libertarian as a partty is fraudulent, and you need to KNOW that to understand what Palin means when she refers to, and it electrifies MILLIONS, that "libertarian streak" shared by folks who are getting sick of both parties. Ansell!!!!! Don't be a useful tool of the facists who hi-jacked the Trade name "libertarian"!!!!!!@
The libertarian principle burns at the heart of conservative and moral government. The Founders knew it and that's the way they wrote the Constitution without outlawing prostitution, sodomy, gambling, etc. They figured the people of the States would govern themselves. The Founders were libertarian enough in principle to leave those very kinds of things OUT of the Constitution.
Sarah Palin supported McCain when he ran for US Senate two years ago. Add that to her comments during the presidential campaign that supported invaders staying in the US, and I just can’t be as confident as I’d like to be.
And no bert. I will NOT again hold my nose and vote for another establishment RINO like a Christie for President. I will NOT hold my nose and vote for my RINO GOP senator. I will NOT vote for the RINO GOP US House Rep that lost to a Rat if he tries to run again.
I did not leave the GOP. The GOP left me.
I agree, someone needs to call for a march on DC for September when congress is in session, lets close the city down. Make them cut spending, make them cut taxes, make them close the border, make them do the people’s will.
LOL, so you mean when she supported McCain for the 2010 election.
You need to catch up little friend to the current political situation.
You sure are getting away from you social issues argument.
You support the libertarians and they call for completely open borders and firing the Border Patrol and the INS and accepting homosexual couples and polygamists into the country.
What a silly argument, you simply deny what is.
Libertarians are not famous for merely supporting conservatives for their economics, libertarians are a breed apart because they are radical leftists on social issues.
Ignore what they share with conservatives and look at why they are at war against conservatives and why they can’t simply call themselves conservative.
Since today’s topic is homosexuality, tell us where libertarianism is in opposition to this libertarian position.
1.3 Personal Relationships (libertarian)
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.
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